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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
Their comments were very dark jokes, during a general grieving time, sure, but it was in no point disrespectful to anyone, neither TB, nor his relatives, nor the community supporting him. It's not like they made fun of him, what he did, what he was, or (which would have been actually absolutely terrible) what he went through. I honestly do not get why it got more than a warning. Neither of them has such a bad posting history in this regard either. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 27 2018 18:28 AbouSV wrote: I stand on fd and Opisska side here. Their comments were very dark jokes, during a general grieving time, sure, but it was in no point disrespectful to anyone, neither TB, nor his relatives, nor the community supporting him. It's not like they made fun of him, what he did, what he was, or (which would have been actually absolutely terrible) what he went through. I honestly do not get why it got more than a warning. Neither of them has such a bad posting history in this regard either. fluidrone has an awful moderation record with regards to + Show Spoiler + most everything | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23209 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On May 27 2018 18:28 AbouSV wrote: I stand on fd and Opisska side here. Their comments were very dark jokes, during a general grieving time, sure, but it was in no point disrespectful to anyone, neither TB, nor his relatives, nor the community supporting him. It's not like they made fun of him, what he did, what he was, or (which would have been actually absolutely terrible) what he went through. I honestly do not get why it got more than a warning. Neither of them has such a bad posting history in this regard either. TB died sooner than expected. They wanted to get him back on his podcast next weeks after a surgery reduced his pain. Saying news of his death should be spoilered makes fun of the fact that his death was a bit of a surprise.... I think it's very bad taste | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
On May 28 2018 02:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Looks to me like a severe over-reaction in both cases, but then again both should have known that TL mods would be overly sensitive. Oh really? Would you care to elaborate then? Why exactly do you think that was an overreaction and why exactly do you think the mods would be overly sensitive? | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
but maybe i can give willing people lost in translation reasoning behind my post? Bringing humor and craziness to someone's wake is something old people do, do well or not, but they do.. .. mmm and yes i'm old, or even worse i consider myself old one could say!? i feel like it is a time to lead not a time to follow. When you have gone to half a dozen mortuary social venues yourselves.. maybe you will know what real grief control is all about maybe? Maybe (like me) that will make you want to do something with all that repressed "good intentions" denied .. and maybe you will decide to make people laugh and uplift them in their hour of need? .. this whatever the cost to yourself (since doing nothing would be worst)... Maybe your jokes will tank or maybe you will save some people.. but in any case at least you will have tried. So .. more precisely about this "situation".. lets "set the scene" shall we? We are not at tb's wake, we are on tl. Tb was not on tl anymore.. (i personally made a stink about him getting "pushed out" at the time) and now he will never come back to type here.. ..so i made the joke because i think it is important to do so, on tl! This is where/when i thank mods for leniency in the temp ban (it being a temp ban), this is when i thank oppiska for being, thank my mum for life, thank my kids for hope and my wiffu for love <3 Humor is life! Banning is death! ![[image loading]](http://nation.lk/2009/08/09/m8.jpg) Edit: mmm? i'm not sure explaining a "line" one has done is nearly as interesting / helpful / good as doing the line/bid itself? In any case if i did do a joke.. still not sure that was what that was.. let us please keep "line" as the thing i did.. .. this line was done to be felt at the expense (directed versus) people that had gotten tb off tl.. .. not directed at tb himself in any way  ,i happen to think tb was a class act and a monster at joking / living that warrants attention.. i would like to think oppiska agreed/s with me in spirit, i made it here .. he made it there.. in any case he felt that having a joke in there was good .. .. and i agree however suicidal the joke/thread he chose, i still get it  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17978 Posts
The latter can be funny, but also very very hurtful. The mere fact that you think something is funny doesn't mean you should just say it. These wise words come from years and years of making funny, hurtful jokes and my girlfriend getting really upset at me on multiple occasions. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On May 28 2018 17:38 fluidrone wrote: i am through with "crusading on tl", but maybe i can give willing people lost in translation reasoning behind my post? Bringing humor and craziness to someone's wake is something old people do, do well or not, but they do.. .. mmm and yes i'm old, or even worse i consider myself old one could say!? i feel like it is a time to lead not a time to follow. When you have gone to half a dozen mortuary social venues yourselves.. maybe you will know what real grief control is all about maybe? Maybe (like me) that will make you want to do something with all that repressed "good intentions" denied .. and maybe you will decide to make people laugh and uplift them in their hour of need? .. this whatever the cost to yourself (since doing nothing would be worst)... Maybe your jokes will tank or maybe you will save some people.. but in any case at least you will have tried. So .. more precisely about this "situation".. lets "set the scene" shall we? We are not at tb's wake, we are on tl. Tb was not on tl anymore.. (i personally made a stink about him getting "pushed out" at the time) and now he will never come back to type here.. ..so i made the joke because i think it is important to do so, on tl! This is where/when i thank mods for leniency in the temp ban (it being a temp ban), this is when i thank oppiska for being, thank my mum for life, thank my kids for hope and my wiffu for love <3 Humor is life! Banning is death! Edit: mmm? i'm not sure explaining a "line" one has done is nearly as interesting / helpful / good as doing the line/bid itself? In any case if i did do a joke.. still not sure that was what that was.. let us please keep "line" as the thing i did.. .. this line was done to be felt at the expense (directed versus) people that had gotten tb off tl.. .. not directed at tb himself in any way ,i happen to think tb was a class act and a monster at joking / living that warrants attention.. i would like to think oppiska agreed/s with me in spirit, i made it here .. he made it there.. in any case he felt that having a joke in there was good .. .. and i agree however suicidal the joke/thread he chose, i still get it I didn't think I'd say that one day, but I find a lot of sense in that fd post. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 29 2018 16:41 Ej_ wrote: Opisska casually getting banned as a punishment for not having been banned hard enough If mods really wanted to perm him, they should unban him and wait for his comments about moderation, rather than extending his ban. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
On May 29 2018 17:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: If mods really wanted to perm him, they should unban him and wait for his comments about moderation, rather than extending his ban. Meh, I already got a very nice PM from him. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Any chance you could share it with us? I'm sure piss wouldn't mind his opinions getting a more appreciative audience. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On May 29 2018 22:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Any chance you could share it with us? I'm sure piss wouldn't mind his opinions getting a more appreciative audience. Piss told me to go for it so here is his PM Original Message From TL.net Bot: You have been temp banned for 30 days by Seeker. Reason: Your most recent post in the TB thread caused the mods to re-evaluate your posts on TL. Collectively, we have decided that we are going to give you this temp ban along with a stern warning that you are walking on eggshells with us. You often make snide remarks about moderation on this website, make pointless one-liners, and you post in a snarky manner from time to time. At some point, you need to realize that we don't appreciate that kin of behavior and/or attitude. Please take this time to seriously consider what kind of poster you want to be on this website. A lot of mods were in favor of a perm ban, but we are giving you one last chance. Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased. I am just purely fascinated by the utter lack of self-reflection on the side of the moderating staff. Did it ever occur to you that the fact that people (and that's by far not just me) constantly attack the moderation on this website may be taken as a hint that said moderation is laughably terrible? The moderation team, and for some reason you personally in particular, are somehow set on this notion that you are supposed to "keep people in line" and that posters should show some kind of transcendent respect for you just because you have some kind of meaningless power on a website, instead of doing what you really should, which is just keeping away trolls, stopping personal attacks between posters and in general keeping the atmosphere friendly and fun. The idea of banning a random subset of "not serious enough" reaction in LR threads, places that are meant for rapid communication and never to be read again, is a perfect example of that. I can somewhat understand where this comes from, this used to be a place run by mostly kids for mostly kids and this attitude is a remnant from this kindergarten social structure, but now that the average age of a TL user slowly approaches 30, this is just not gonna fly. You can ban me all you want, but I guarantee you that there just will be more users slowly growing into realization how bullshit this whole attitude of the moderation team is. Seeing as how banned posters can't post even in Feedback (which again, is silly), I would appreciate if you could circulate this response on some of your super-secret internal forums. Thank you for your cooperation, piss | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17978 Posts
OT: yeah, @piss. Or maybe don't make horrifically bad "jokes" about TB. Is having even the tiniest smidgeon of respect for the dead too much to ask? Or even just your silence, if you don't have anything nice to say about it? You say yourself "keep away the trolls"... well, one man's joke is another man's troll post. And to me, your post looked a lot more like trolling than joking. So I guess the mods succeeded in their mission? | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On May 29 2018 22:47 Acrofales wrote: Luolis confirmed Seeker alt? :D OT: yeah, @piss. Or maybe don't make horrifically bad "jokes" about TB. Is having even the tiniest smidgeon of respect for the dead too much to ask? Or even just your silence, if you don't have anything nice to say about it? You say yourself "keep away the trolls"... well, one man's joke is another man's troll post. And to me, your post looked a lot more like trolling than joking. So I guess the mods succeeded in their mission? Im quickly gonna put my 2 cents in that i think Opisska knew that he'd get banned for that post and isn't criticizing it. He's moreso in general criticizing the moderation. I can be wrong, but from what i've seen in the chats on our discord he's not opposed to that ban, but is critical of moderation in general. Also if i was Seeker's alt i wouldn't be getting banned for a week for saying ":D" ;D | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On May 29 2018 23:09 farvacola wrote: That folks who keep getting moderated don't believe this to be the case speaks for itself I can't 100% agree with that really. For me the biggest problem with modding is the inconsistency between mods. For example i got a week's ban for a low effort comment ":D" and i could bet you that if it was any other mod than Seeker doing it it wouldn't have been that long. Same for the 2 week drunk santa ban. However i don't like to talk about this more in this thread but rather PM or website feedback because getting bans for talking about moderation in ABL would be pretty much a motiripper. | ||
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