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On November 04 2015 01:54 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 21:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:He's an agitator, so be careful with that language. You're giving him what he wants!  That's why I left the thread for a few days to cool off and let him ride out his wave haha. On November 03 2015 20:46 Cascade wrote:On November 03 2015 20:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 12:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:18 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2015 11:56 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
thanks kwark. that guy was derailing the thread and caused everyone to miss my post about the 43 million dollar gas station in afghanistan. seriously though that guy just wanted to argue everything. Shit dude what an injustice. Or maybe your post didn't merit further discussion. You can make another thread about it or repost it though so a bunch of people can say how outrageous that is. I was joking in case you were wondering. not sure if your joking as well. if anyone want the specific post that got him sent out here you go. On November 03 2015 10:18 notesfromunderground wrote:I don't intend to die on any hills, unless it's Golgotha and then I don't have to worry about US Presidential Politics because I'm like the messiah and stuff All I know is, my mother, who is a totally mainstream center-left Democrat who cares mostly about the environment, was getting really excited about Lessig and is now hopping mad at the DNC and has been pushed that much more out of the mainstream. She has deep pockets, she votes, she gives money to candidates, and she is PISSED. She, like Kwark, has a sort of obstinate attachment to common sense which makes it difficult for her to see how corrupt things are - but that ideological edifice now has a big, Lawrence Lessig shaped crack in it. I figure she's not that weird and so there have to be other people like her. So I count this as a victory  I bet Bernie Sanders is going to get a least one fat check out of all this... so suck it h8ers!! User was banned for this post. Thank god he finally got banned. Even if it wasn't his intention, I interpreted nearly everything he said regarding philosophy and politics and education as smug condescension and absurd, distracting semantics arguments. He just rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, I know the kind you are talking about. People that are good at talking, and things sound good, but when you reread it a second or third time, you realise that there is very little actual content in the post, just a lot of loaded words. It's hard to take arguments with them though, because they don't really say anything wrong, as thye don't say much at all, but still manage sound very convincing... And if you try to go after them, they are often good at shooting more empty, but fancy-sounding posts at you. It is hard to "win" the argument from an observers perspective. Yeah, and I'm more interested in quality discussion in that thread rather than just hazy dick-swinging, because I'd like to be better educated with respect to the politics of my country. (Unfortunately, a lot of politics plays out exactly like that though...) If you had wanted to be better educated you would have paid more attention to the things notes was saying. His posts were more like icebergs, packed full of content. It just so happens that most people when confronted with "absurd" ideas immediately dismiss them instead of thinking deeply about them.
I'm not going into the politics thread, but the post that got banned was exactly as others have described, full of fluffy sounding words without actually saying anything. Like he name drops Lessig and Sanders without saying in any way shape or form how they're related to DNC / corruption / campaign finance or whatever other loaded terms he was trying to link them to to get a rise out of people.
He wraps all this in really vague, coded story about his Mom that again hits on so many loaded terms without actually saying what his Mom believes in or is mad about. With the added shot at Kwark for no reason.
It's just a giant exercise in trolling (unless he's actually just trying to sound smart about it, which would just be sad).
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He's just your typical San Francisco English major who thinks he's smarter than the tech professionals he prepares coffee for.
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He's from Texas and gainfully employed in California higher ed 
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As a tech professional who grew up in the Silicon Valley and was an English Major in college I find these replies hilarious.
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name drops lessig and sanders? what? you realize that post was one in a long chain right? forums run on implication
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On November 04 2015 01:54 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 21:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:He's an agitator, so be careful with that language. You're giving him what he wants! That's why I left the thread for a few days to cool off and let him ride out his wave haha. On November 03 2015 20:46 Cascade wrote:On November 03 2015 20:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 12:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:18 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2015 11:56 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
thanks kwark. that guy was derailing the thread and caused everyone to miss my post about the 43 million dollar gas station in afghanistan. seriously though that guy just wanted to argue everything. Shit dude what an injustice. Or maybe your post didn't merit further discussion. You can make another thread about it or repost it though so a bunch of people can say how outrageous that is. I was joking in case you were wondering. not sure if your joking as well. if anyone want the specific post that got him sent out here you go. On November 03 2015 10:18 notesfromunderground wrote:I don't intend to die on any hills, unless it's Golgotha and then I don't have to worry about US Presidential Politics because I'm like the messiah and stuff All I know is, my mother, who is a totally mainstream center-left Democrat who cares mostly about the environment, was getting really excited about Lessig and is now hopping mad at the DNC and has been pushed that much more out of the mainstream. She has deep pockets, she votes, she gives money to candidates, and she is PISSED. She, like Kwark, has a sort of obstinate attachment to common sense which makes it difficult for her to see how corrupt things are - but that ideological edifice now has a big, Lawrence Lessig shaped crack in it. I figure she's not that weird and so there have to be other people like her. So I count this as a victory I bet Bernie Sanders is going to get a least one fat check out of all this... so suck it h8ers!! User was banned for this post. Thank god he finally got banned. Even if it wasn't his intention, I interpreted nearly everything he said regarding philosophy and politics and education as smug condescension and absurd, distracting semantics arguments. He just rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, I know the kind you are talking about. People that are good at talking, and things sound good, but when you reread it a second or third time, you realise that there is very little actual content in the post, just a lot of loaded words. It's hard to take arguments with them though, because they don't really say anything wrong, as thye don't say much at all, but still manage sound very convincing... And if you try to go after them, they are often good at shooting more empty, but fancy-sounding posts at you. It is hard to "win" the argument from an observers perspective. Yeah, and I'm more interested in quality discussion in that thread rather than just hazy dick-swinging, because I'd like to be better educated with respect to the politics of my country. (Unfortunately, a lot of politics plays out exactly like that though...) If you had wanted to be better educated you would have paid more attention to the things notes was saying. His posts were more like icebergs, packed full of content. It just so happens that most people when confronted with "absurd" ideas immediately dismiss them instead of thinking deeply about them.
I paid plenty of attention to the conversations he was having. Don't mistake my resistance to commenting as a refusal to read and attempt to learn
On November 04 2015 02:43 farvacola wrote:He's from Texas and gainfully employed in California higher ed
He's a philosophy grad student, and honestly I couldn't help but think "This is exactly why people dislike philosophy majors".
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well i didn't really think that was sam because sam was a lot more agitated.
also he sounds like an english grad student not philosophy student. latter would form clearer but (still mostly inane) arguments. :D
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Samdzat was a bit more looney. He'd throw the strangest subject tie-ins out of the blue. If it's the same guy, he really turned that down.
But that "bitch I teach reading comprehension" comment was priceless. That last h8ers one was supremely unexpected.
Edit: The connection between names was a bit more direct than I'd imagined. Notes from Underground: Countercultural Print Material from Samizdat to Zines. I'd just casually looked up what sam's name meant from last time.
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By that metric motlewarding should have been permabanned a long time ago. he's very good at trollish fuzzy nonsense wrapped up in name dropping
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On November 04 2015 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
By that metric motlewarding should have been permabanned a long time ago. he's very good at trollish fuzzy nonsense wrapped up in name dropping
Don't think anyone argued that it should be a bannable offence. Only that it is annoying, and you can still be happy that someone with that posting style got banned (for other reasons).
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nvm I'm dumb. surprised this is only a temp since its a new account to get around a ban.
Hadleyx88 was just temp banned for 30 days by KadaverBB.
That account was created on 2015-10-12 05:20:25 and had 27 posts.
Reason: Don't try to dodge bans by creating new accounts, especially if you're just going to keep shitposting -.-
On November 03 2015 03:32 Hadleyx88 wrote:I can't wait for the Shitstorm around releasea nd the best thing will be when I know you all get how bad the Game is and think how wrong you were. Fanboys be like ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Md1TTKN.gif) then! :D User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 04 2015 01:54 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 21:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:He's an agitator, so be careful with that language. You're giving him what he wants! That's why I left the thread for a few days to cool off and let him ride out his wave haha. On November 03 2015 20:46 Cascade wrote:On November 03 2015 20:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 12:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:18 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2015 11:56 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
thanks kwark. that guy was derailing the thread and caused everyone to miss my post about the 43 million dollar gas station in afghanistan. seriously though that guy just wanted to argue everything. Shit dude what an injustice. Or maybe your post didn't merit further discussion. You can make another thread about it or repost it though so a bunch of people can say how outrageous that is. I was joking in case you were wondering. not sure if your joking as well. if anyone want the specific post that got him sent out here you go. On November 03 2015 10:18 notesfromunderground wrote:I don't intend to die on any hills, unless it's Golgotha and then I don't have to worry about US Presidential Politics because I'm like the messiah and stuff All I know is, my mother, who is a totally mainstream center-left Democrat who cares mostly about the environment, was getting really excited about Lessig and is now hopping mad at the DNC and has been pushed that much more out of the mainstream. She has deep pockets, she votes, she gives money to candidates, and she is PISSED. She, like Kwark, has a sort of obstinate attachment to common sense which makes it difficult for her to see how corrupt things are - but that ideological edifice now has a big, Lawrence Lessig shaped crack in it. I figure she's not that weird and so there have to be other people like her. So I count this as a victory I bet Bernie Sanders is going to get a least one fat check out of all this... so suck it h8ers!! User was banned for this post. Thank god he finally got banned. Even if it wasn't his intention, I interpreted nearly everything he said regarding philosophy and politics and education as smug condescension and absurd, distracting semantics arguments. He just rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, I know the kind you are talking about. People that are good at talking, and things sound good, but when you reread it a second or third time, you realise that there is very little actual content in the post, just a lot of loaded words. It's hard to take arguments with them though, because they don't really say anything wrong, as thye don't say much at all, but still manage sound very convincing... And if you try to go after them, they are often good at shooting more empty, but fancy-sounding posts at you. It is hard to "win" the argument from an observers perspective. Yeah, and I'm more interested in quality discussion in that thread rather than just hazy dick-swinging, because I'd like to be better educated with respect to the politics of my country. (Unfortunately, a lot of politics plays out exactly like that though...) If you had wanted to be better educated you would have paid more attention to the things notes was saying. His posts were more like icebergs, packed full of content. It just so happens that most people when confronted with "absurd" ideas immediately dismiss them instead of thinking deeply about them.
Speaking as somebody who actually understood what Notes was saying... the vast majority of his interactions were based on some version of the following:
1) make a vague statement interpretable in more than one way
2) whenever somebody engaged him about that statement, interpreting it in a particular way, he would choose a different interpretation and argue from that standpoint, making the other person look like they didn't understand (when in fact the fault was with Notes insufficiently specifying his original statement).
You have mistaken "arguing at cross purposes" for "packed full of content". (Admittedly, a conclusion which he very much tried to draw you towards with his constant references to his fancy education.) How much was simply trolling and how much was a legitimate failure to communicate I am unsure.
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I agree with aquanim, it mostly felt like repeated use of fallacy of equivocation and such to troll by someone who understood enough to use those intentionally.
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I find it peculiar how many people know personal details from the life of one of the most obnoxious posters in TL's history.
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It's ok, people know plenty about you too
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On November 04 2015 11:40 farvacola wrote:It's ok, people know plenty about you too
I've always thought that oppiska's posting habits are cloesly related to his shoe-size of 43, and yogurt+cereal breakfasts.
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On November 04 2015 10:06 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 01:54 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2015 21:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:He's an agitator, so be careful with that language. You're giving him what he wants! That's why I left the thread for a few days to cool off and let him ride out his wave haha. On November 03 2015 20:46 Cascade wrote:On November 03 2015 20:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 03 2015 12:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On November 03 2015 12:18 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2015 11:56 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
thanks kwark. that guy was derailing the thread and caused everyone to miss my post about the 43 million dollar gas station in afghanistan. seriously though that guy just wanted to argue everything. Shit dude what an injustice. Or maybe your post didn't merit further discussion. You can make another thread about it or repost it though so a bunch of people can say how outrageous that is. I was joking in case you were wondering. not sure if your joking as well. if anyone want the specific post that got him sent out here you go. On November 03 2015 10:18 notesfromunderground wrote:I don't intend to die on any hills, unless it's Golgotha and then I don't have to worry about US Presidential Politics because I'm like the messiah and stuff All I know is, my mother, who is a totally mainstream center-left Democrat who cares mostly about the environment, was getting really excited about Lessig and is now hopping mad at the DNC and has been pushed that much more out of the mainstream. She has deep pockets, she votes, she gives money to candidates, and she is PISSED. She, like Kwark, has a sort of obstinate attachment to common sense which makes it difficult for her to see how corrupt things are - but that ideological edifice now has a big, Lawrence Lessig shaped crack in it. I figure she's not that weird and so there have to be other people like her. So I count this as a victory I bet Bernie Sanders is going to get a least one fat check out of all this... so suck it h8ers!! User was banned for this post. Thank god he finally got banned. Even if it wasn't his intention, I interpreted nearly everything he said regarding philosophy and politics and education as smug condescension and absurd, distracting semantics arguments. He just rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, I know the kind you are talking about. People that are good at talking, and things sound good, but when you reread it a second or third time, you realise that there is very little actual content in the post, just a lot of loaded words. It's hard to take arguments with them though, because they don't really say anything wrong, as thye don't say much at all, but still manage sound very convincing... And if you try to go after them, they are often good at shooting more empty, but fancy-sounding posts at you. It is hard to "win" the argument from an observers perspective. Yeah, and I'm more interested in quality discussion in that thread rather than just hazy dick-swinging, because I'd like to be better educated with respect to the politics of my country. (Unfortunately, a lot of politics plays out exactly like that though...) If you had wanted to be better educated you would have paid more attention to the things notes was saying. His posts were more like icebergs, packed full of content. It just so happens that most people when confronted with "absurd" ideas immediately dismiss them instead of thinking deeply about them. Speaking as somebody who actually understood what Notes was saying... the vast majority of his interactions were based on some version of the following: 1) make a vague statement interpretable in more than one way 2) whenever somebody engaged him about that statement, interpreting it in a particular way, he would choose a different interpretation and argue from that standpoint, making the other person look like they didn't understand (when in fact the fault was with Notes insufficiently specifying his original statement). You have mistaken "arguing at cross purposes" for "packed full of content". (Admittedly, a conclusion which he very much tried to draw you towards with his constant references to his fancy education.) How much was simply trolling and how much was a legitimate failure to communicate I am unsure.
If only we could post in statements that had a single interpretation.
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this conversation is kind of going off topic from the purpose of this thread, which is usually to light heartedly make fun on people who get banned. not debate over things.
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apparently people are very invested into fallout.
On November 04 2015 13:58 Lauchboy wrote:That says everything about the Dialogue-System! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/FNraauv.jpg) User was banned for this post.
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