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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil.NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ |
As an American living in canada I proudly claim her as my own. If I didn't live in Canada well...she is the best NA player.
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You can say what you will about Scarlett, internally, but TL has made their stance clear about what is acceptable to post about Scarlett or her gender for well over a year, so to post anything to the contrary is not even tempting fate; it's a guaranteed ban. And yes, they're even all over pronouns used to talk about Scarlett, even posts of praise using "he" "him" "his" get you banned because it is assumed that someone is taking some kind of stealth-shot, or is trolling. Regardless of the nature of the policy, rules are rules, and I'm actually getting pretty tired of bans related to Scarlett because should just know better by now.
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On December 23 2012 13:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
You can say what you will about Scarlett, internally, but TL has made their stance clear about what is acceptable to post about Scarlett or her gender for well over a year, so to post anything to the contrary is not even tempting fate; it's a guaranteed ban. And yes, they're even all over pronouns used to talk about Scarlett, even posts of praise using "he" "him" "his" get you banned because it is assumed that someone is taking some kind of stealth-shot, or is trolling. Regardless of the nature of the policy, rules are rules, and I'm actually getting pretty tired of bans related to Scarlett because should just know better by now.
I would actually consider these bans to be quite silly and unwarranted. Lots of transgendered people are fine with being called what ever the other person prefers as long as there's some mutual understanding. But if it's to keep out the horrible hate I guess it's warranted.
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On December 23 2012 13:31 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
You can say what you will about Scarlett, internally, but TL has made their stance clear about what is acceptable to post about Scarlett or her gender for well over a year, so to post anything to the contrary is not even tempting fate; it's a guaranteed ban. And yes, they're even all over pronouns used to talk about Scarlett, even posts of praise using "he" "him" "his" get you banned because it is assumed that someone is taking some kind of stealth-shot, or is trolling. Regardless of the nature of the policy, rules are rules, and I'm actually getting pretty tired of bans related to Scarlett because should just know better by now. I would actually consider these bans to be quite silly and unwarranted. Lots of transgendered people are fine with being called what ever the other person prefers as long as there's some mutual understanding. But if it's to keep out the horrible hate I guess it's warranted.
I only sought to stress that when posting on TL, you must play by TL's rules, or take it to the Website Feedback, which ultimately accomplishes nothing, but it does provide a nice safe outlet for grievances.
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to be honest i agree, scarlett bans are pretty unwarranted and stupid, she is both a guy and a girl, hence transgender, whats wrong with calling her either?? its better if called a girl because she wants to be known as a girl but really, i think the bans are not needed
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On December 23 2012 14:33 X3GoldDot wrote:
to be honest i agree, scarlett bans are pretty unwarranted and stupid, she is both a guy and a girl, hence transgender, whats wrong with calling her either?? its better if called a girl because she wants to be known as a girl but really, i think the bans are not needed
TL has other interests, you know. They are a cornerstone of uhhhh "ESPORTS" and cannot be seen as tolerating transgender discrimination, or jointly cannot be seen as sexist, to the point where it cannot even be discussed. Scarlett identifies herself as a girl and that is ultimately the bottom line.
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On December 23 2012 02:25 EliteSK wrote:
poor seeker but i can understand it...
How...?
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On December 23 2012 15:24 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:25 EliteSK wrote:
poor seeker but i can understand it... How...?
I believe he means he can understand why SeeKeR was temp'd, not SeeKeR posting that poll.
He is one of the more lovable rulebreakers, with frequent all caps, those polls, but his enthusiasm is rather infectious and he does all that translation work.
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do bans by request have any weight in future moderation?
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On December 23 2012 09:40 Cokefreak wrote:
That's too easy, takes all the challenge out of it~
Yet, both of the posts are still not reported, so you are clearly failing it.
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On December 23 2012 16:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
do bans by request have any weight in future moderation?
On September 14 2012 07:45 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:25 hunts wrote:
If people request to be banned for a certain amount of time or perma, does that count against them as a real ban in terms of future action being taken or mods looking at them as PBU's should they return with a new account? No, the mod note will just say you were banned by request, and it will not count against you. We do want you to respect your account;)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16233607
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An American?! Sheesh, that's a terrible thing to say! 
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On December 23 2012 18:50 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 16:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
do bans by request have any weight in future moderation? Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:45 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:On September 14 2012 07:25 hunts wrote:
If people request to be banned for a certain amount of time or perma, does that count against them as a real ban in terms of future action being taken or mods looking at them as PBU's should they return with a new account? No, the mod note will just say you were banned by request, and it will not count against you. We do want you to respect your account;) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16233607
Wasn't prea banned for a month after requesting a masochistic 2-day ban for nth time?
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Canada5377 Posts
On December 23 2012 20:16 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 18:50 JBright wrote:On December 23 2012 16:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
do bans by request have any weight in future moderation? On September 14 2012 07:45 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:On September 14 2012 07:25 hunts wrote:
If people request to be banned for a certain amount of time or perma, does that count against them as a real ban in terms of future action being taken or mods looking at them as PBU's should they return with a new account? No, the mod note will just say you were banned by request, and it will not count against you. We do want you to respect your account;) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16233607 Wasn't prea banned for a month after requesting a masochistic 2-day ban for nth time?
I don't remember specifically but if you request a ban for the "nth time" and n=eleventy billion like it is for him, I can imagine that happening
But yeah if you only request bans like a normal person I dont think theres much to worry about
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On December 23 2012 20:38 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 20:16 Deleuze wrote:On December 23 2012 18:50 JBright wrote:On December 23 2012 16:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
do bans by request have any weight in future moderation? On September 14 2012 07:45 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:On September 14 2012 07:25 hunts wrote:
If people request to be banned for a certain amount of time or perma, does that count against them as a real ban in terms of future action being taken or mods looking at them as PBU's should they return with a new account? No, the mod note will just say you were banned by request, and it will not count against you. We do want you to respect your account;) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16233607 Wasn't prea banned for a month after requesting a masochistic 2-day ban for nth time? I don't remember specifically but if you request a ban for the "nth time" and n=eleventy billion like it is for him, I can imagine that happening But yeah if you only request bans like a normal person I dont think theres much to worry about
I don't remember that either but I do think he was publicly warned in this thread to stop doing it or he'll face a big ban. Either way I would not be surprised lol.
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On December 23 2012 13:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
it's a guaranteed ban. And yes, they're even all over pronouns used to talk about Scarlett, even posts of praise using "he" "him" "his" get you banned because it is assumed that someone is taking some kind of stealth-shot, or is trolling.
This is incorrect.
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There was also a Spanish guy who refused to acknowledge that people from North America split the "American" continent into two continents, so we have seven continents instead of six. North/South America, Asia, Europe, Australia, Africa, and Antarctica.
Most LRs are pits, sure, but that one got out of control quickly. Surprised more bans didn't come from it. Most were from when people strayed far off topic, like when Scarlett was brought up for some reason.
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On December 23 2012 22:18 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:14 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
it's a guaranteed ban. And yes, they're even all over pronouns used to talk about Scarlett, even posts of praise using "he" "him" "his" get you banned because it is assumed that someone is taking some kind of stealth-shot, or is trolling. This is incorrect.
It's not entirely correct but it's fairly accurate for the most part. I wish more discerning could be done between repugnant bile-filled comments (of which we've been getting far less lately) and people just stating hard facts with basis in reality (in this case, Scarlett's biological features). I agree, sometimes it's beside the topic and sometimes it's not articulated that well, but we should at least allow the discussion to take place and not neuter it for the sake of "political correctness". I mean "this is our house" and all but honestly I think a little bit more leeway for the reasonable posters would go a long way. Plus the shit posters are going to come out anyway, the question is do you want to deal with them sooner or later?
Anyway I noticed this rant started losing its coherence so I'm going to stop here.
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I just read "failsafe's" ban and quote. Here's my proposal for a ban requirement.
If the banning moderator cannot come up with a funnier ban description than the quoted reason for the ban. The poster may not be banned.
Funny stuff.
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On December 23 2012 23:02 Zorkmid wrote:
I just read "failsafe's" ban and quote. Here's my proposal for a ban requirement.
If the banning moderator cannot come up with a funnier ban description than the quoted reason for the ban. The poster may not be banned.
Funny stuff.
I would generally agree with that, if not for the fact that it is impossible to accurately and objectively determine "funny" in every case. Say we're watching a ZvT and some guy decides to post "Rofl I bet those banelings screamed Allahu Ackbar before they rammed into that Planetary Fortress hurr durr". I'm gonna bet a lot of forumgoers will be offended by that, while other people will respond with a genuine chuckle. Whose opinion do you pick with regards to whether its funny or not? The majority's? Then you're going to get even more complaints about unfair moderation in Website Feedback.
It really opens up a brand new can of worms. >_<
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