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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:09 JackDragon wrote: IP address is one thing. But they have other ways as well. Not that I know how, but they have said repeatedly that they have their ways. I've come to the conclusion that they PM mods with angry remarks and divulge their identity through those. But I'm likely wrong.... | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
On November 30 2012 05:30 AbideWithMe wrote: Are you guys actually crazy? You start a talk about whether girls can beat guys in SCII based on a guy beating a guy in SCII? You must be fuckin joking. NOT A SINGLE GIRL is playing in IPL5. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Get real... And Nerchio losing to Puck is pretty obvious. He has like 0% win percentage vs traps. Must be something psychological. User was temp banned for this post. There is no way this should not have been a perm. Lot of transphobia going on~ This is the worst I picked out. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:46 Indrium wrote: There is no way this should not have been a perm. Lot of transphobia going on~ This is the worst I picked out. That's freaking disgusting, He must have had clean mod notes or a mod feeling benevolent. Is the entire thread that bad, or is it just a few bad posts? | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
About a fifth of the bans seem to be from continuing the gender argument in the LR thread, with of course your usual "wine" on cheese.  | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:46 Indrium wrote: There is no way this should not have been a perm. Lot of transphobia going on~ This is the worst I picked out. Erm... I don't even think it's transphobia though, I respect transexuals and I call them by what ever gender they associate themselves with, but I do think it's not very honest or fair to classify a gender just by the performance of one person because it's so anecdotal and such a small sampling size. I don't say "girls can't play SC2" if scarlett loses either, so how is anecdotal proof the other way taken as fair and balanced commentary? And also, does she think that she's even representing women in gaming? Do female gamers / observers feel like they are being represented by her playing? I don't think the community white knighting her is very fair either. Most of the time transsexuals / bisexuals go into the public light representing their own gender / sexuality individual of the preset two. They may champion ideas regarding parties being repressed or unexposed in terms of sexuality, but that's a completely different story, I can be a man and champion feminism values, that doesn't make me representative of women by default. It's much more fair to say that using the scarlett example "transsexuals can be progamers too" or "anyone can be a progamer" than saying "girls can be progamers". Just my interpretation. Obviously unwarranted hate is unjustified, but white knighting is just as much a bandwagon as trolling. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On November 30 2012 12:13 cLAN.Anax wrote: 2 warnings and a temp ban before this. Don't think this person realized the context concerning Scarlett and LeiYa; I'm actually going to assume he was ignorant about it, didn't know better. Though he should have informed himself on the matter anyways given mods' no-nonsense history on the issue of referring to either player as male. About a fifth of the bans seem to be from continuing the gender argument in the LR thread, with of course your usual "wine" on cheese. I'm pretty sure he knew: On November 30 2012 05:30 AbideWithMe wrote: He has like 0% win percentage vs traps. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding that. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:34 DragonDispitous wrote: Shut up, whiner. Did your feeble mind so soon forget Symbol's Roach/Infestor attack on MC's third? MC was severely crippled, and from that point forward Symbol had the game essentially won. Let's not also forget the subsequent successful Ling harass executed by Symbol. He simply decided to ride his advantage via the turtle/macro route in classic Symbol style. Stop smearing your unintelligence across TL. User was banned for this post. I laughed so hard at my keyboard when I first read "did your feeble mind so soon forget?". On November 30 2012 13:36 Caihead wrote: Erm... I don't even think it's transphobia though, I respect transexuals and I call them by what ever gender they associate themselves with, but I do think it's not very honest or fair to classify a gender just by the performance of one person because it's so anecdotal and such a small sampling size. I don't say "girls can't play SC2" if scarlett loses either, so how is anecdotal proof the other way taken as fair and balanced commentary? And also, does she think that she's even representing women in gaming? Do female gamers / observers feel like they are being represented by her playing? I don't think the community white knighting her is very fair either. Most of the time transsexuals / bisexuals go into the public light representing their own gender / sexuality individual of the preset two. They may champion ideas regarding parties being repressed or unexposed in terms of sexuality, but that's a completely different story, I can be a man and champion feminism values, that doesn't make me representative of women by default. It's much more fair to say that using the scarlett example "transsexuals can be progamers too" or "anyone can be a progamer" than saying "girls can be progamers". Just my interpretation. Obviously unwarranted hate is unjustified, but white knighting is just as much a bandwagon as trolling. Referring to her as a trap is a pretty derogatory term. I'd say that counts as transphobia. Also this is gold: Reason: TKWL's clever solution for posting on TL despite being perm banned x number of times: - Sneakily register a new account when mods are least likely to be online. - Chose as innocuous name. Examples would be something like "Flowerlover89" or "Kittensareawesome". Bad examples would be "tlmodsarenazisandshouldbeshotonsight" - Chose a nice signature. Something like "want to talk to me about kittens? Pm me!" Now here's the really tricky part: - You have to sneakily pretend to be following every single rule. So while your boiling inside because MKP's 2 rax was shut down and he lost to an imba probe counter, you say something like "Wow, that were some seriously well controlled probes". - Get the nice feeling of fooling the horrible mods with your awesomely sneaky play. Good luck! | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On November 30 2012 16:18 DrowSwordsman wrote: Referring to her as a trap is a pretty derogatory term. I'd say that counts as transphobia. Well... It really depends on the context, you would be surprised how some people might use that term in a complimentary or humorous manner. I would know because I know people that use the term in a positive manner, like "cute trap", etc. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On November 30 2012 05:30 AbideWithMe wrote: He has like 0% win percentage vs traps. I honestly don't understand what this means or is in reference to. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On November 30 2012 17:43 NicolBolas wrote: I honestly don't understand what this means or is in reference to. A "trap" is a transsexual that you mistake for a person you are naturally sexually attracted to, but you find out later to not be the case which puts you in a very awkward situation. Hence "trap". Dude was referring to Scarlett | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On November 30 2012 04:17 Osmeus wrote: SIGN ME FUCKING UP, BITCH MOTHER FUCKING CUNT. I WILL SUCK FLASH'S DICK ANY TIME. I'LL BE HIS BITCH NIGGA. This post made me laugh. I really love the enthusiasm actually. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
DragonDispitous was just banned by ToKoreaWithLove. That account was created on 2012-11-30 10:45:12 and had 3 posts. Reason: TKWL's clever solution for posting on TL despite being perm banned x number of times: - Sneakily register a new account when mods are least likely to be online. - Chose as innocuous name. Examples would be something like "Flowerlover89" or "Kittensareawesome". Bad examples would be "tlmodsarenazisandshouldbeshotonsight" - Chose a nice signature. Something like "want to talk to me about kittens? Pm me!" Now here's the really tricky part: - You have to sneakily pretend to be following every single rule. So while your boiling inside because MKP's 2 rax was shut down and he lost to an imba probe counter, you say something like "Wow, that were some seriously well controlled probes". - Get the nice feeling of fooling the horrible mods with your awesomely sneaky play. Good luck! oh shit my play has been found out, rats. On November 30 2012 21:35 Sinensis wrote: Meanwhile in the Flash fanclub: This post made me laugh. I really love the enthusiasm actually. ugh, I hate flash fans, I'd be damned if they wrote a writeup on KT Rolster. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On November 30 2012 13:36 Caihead wrote: Erm... I don't even think it's transphobia though, I respect transexuals and I call them by what ever gender they associate themselves with, but I do think it's not very honest or fair to classify a gender just by the performance of one person because it's so anecdotal and such a small sampling size. I don't say "girls can't play SC2" if scarlett loses either, so how is anecdotal proof the other way taken as fair and balanced commentary? And also, does she think that she's even representing women in gaming? Do female gamers / observers feel like they are being represented by her playing? I don't think the community white knighting her is very fair either. Most of the time transsexuals / bisexuals go into the public light representing their own gender / sexuality individual of the preset two. They may champion ideas regarding parties being repressed or unexposed in terms of sexuality, but that's a completely different story, I can be a man and champion feminism values, that doesn't make me representative of women by default. It's much more fair to say that using the scarlett example "transsexuals can be progamers too" or "anyone can be a progamer" than saying "girls can be progamers". Just my interpretation. Obviously unwarranted hate is unjustified, but white knighting is just as much a bandwagon as trolling. What exactly do you mean "white knighting?" I sort of know in what situation people use it but it just seem to get used pretty much any time a guy say something in defence of women in gaming. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On November 30 2012 22:27 nihlon wrote: What exactly do you mean "white knighting?" I sort of know in what situation people use it but it just seem to get used pretty much any time a guy say something in defence of women in gaming. Irrational defense of a minority group / ideal from some straw man argument, when the original minority group / ideal doesn't need your help or defense (or if your defense subtracts from the legitimacy of the problem said group / ideal faces). So say if a SC2 player just happened to be from China and lost a game, white knighting would be "defending" the player with some angry rant suggesting that people who are bashing the player support the Chinese government's stance on the internet and gaming (which is implied to detract from the player's ability to win), or just the Chinese government in general because it's a dumb straw man argument. So yes if the player is a girl, white knighting involves suggesting that people who are bashing the player for some arbitrary reason are sexist. People white knight the same reason why people troll, to feel a sense of superiority over other people, just in different formats and causality. People who white knight feel like they are helping an issue against an ambiguous evil straw man that they project onto other people, and thus morally superior to those people, they also feel like they will then win reputation with the party they are defending which is pretty pathetic. People who troll feel like they are controlling and forcing emotional responses from other people, and thus intellectually or emotionally superior to those people. Both are pathetic imo. | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
I wonder what prompted ToKoreaWithLove to write out his guide to being a good PBU. There are lots of PBUs so why did this one get special treatment? (Assuming that DragonDispitous is a PBU). The name isn't offensive, at least I don't see how it would be but that may be my own ignorance, and none of his posts mentioned MKP. His posts were awful and I'm glad he is banned but I don't understand why TKWL would write out that guide for him. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:46 Indrium wrote: There is no way this should not have been a perm. Lot of transphobia going on~ This is the worst I picked out. I'm a little sheltered about these sorts of issues, so I want to do my best to not come off as offensive here. I do have questions though. 1) I'm learning on TL about the difference between "Sex" and "Gender" (still not 100% sure though on the exact "definition" of both. 2) Was it more his harsh, abrasive tone in the post and less about what his actual argument was? Equal amounts of both? 3) Would the argument have been valid if he had approached it from a more scientific view point? Saying something along the lines of, "Genetically, this person is a male. Therefore, its not entirely accurate to use them as the basis for a male vs female in a sports argument because while this person identifies as a female, they have the body and brain of a male." Please understand that I'm just trying to understand the underlying issues surrounding the transgender subject, and the argument seems like a scientifically valid one. I do agree with the ban though. The guy was incredibly rude and inflamatory in how he presented his point of view. Thanks <3 | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
That's usually a pretty uncommon thing though. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On November 30 2012 22:01 BLinD-RawR wrote: oh shit my play has been found out, rats. ugh, I hate flash fans, I'd be damned if they wrote a writeup on KT Rolster. ??? Sigh I'm pretty surprised that post by Osmeus hasn't earned him at least a 2-day | ||
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