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We're Getting A New Server!

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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
March 20 2017 22:13 GMT
#1

We're Getting A New Server!

Ever since I started volunteering for Team Liquid, I've been responsible for the server handling all of our websites. Yes, that's singular - TL, Liquipedia, Liquid Dota, Liquid Hearth, Liquid Legends and our team site all run from one server! When TL was created back in 2001, the site was running on shared web hosting combined with some free ISP web space. Things have changed a lot since then - we've made numerous upgrades over the years, some notable ones being for TSL and then to handle the traffic from SC2.

Our last major upgrade was in 2010 when I started working for TL full time right as the SC2 traffic was starting to ramp up. We purchased a dedicated server at Voxel (later bought by Internap) for a great price at the time through some contacts. Over the years we made some minor upgrades, doubling the RAM and adding a larger SSD, but seven years later it's time for something new (and I'm also afraid of the HDDs dying any day now). Here's our new server at OVH which will hopefully be entering production some time this week.

Old ServerNew Server
CPU2x Xeon L5630 @ 2.13 GHz
8 Cores, turbo boost 2.4 GHz (4 cores)
2x Xeon E5-2690v3 @ 2.60 GHz
24 Cores, turbo boost 3.10 GHz (24 cores) - 3.50 GHz (4 cores)
RAM32 GB DDR3256 GB DDR4
File Storage2x 146 GB Seagate 10k RPM SAS HDD
MegaRAID HW RAID-1, ext3
2x 800 GB Intel SSD DC S3500
ZFS mirror
DB Storage1x 240 GB Intel SSD DC S3500
ext4
2x 800 GB Intel SSD DC S3500
ZFS mirror
Network1gbps with data limit
No DDoS protection
500mbps w/3gbps burst, no data limit
DDoS protected
BackupDaily, proprietary (R1Soft), 200 GB spaceHourly, off-site ZFS snapshots, 2 TB space
LinuxDebian, 3.16.0-4-amd64Debian, 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
LocationNYC, United StatesMontreal, Canada


From the specs alone, this is a significant upgrade over our current hardware. With the 4th generation Xeon CPUs running at higher clock speeds, webpage generation should be much faster overall, especially on Liquipedia where non-cached pages are CPU bound. The large amount of RAM keeps our entire database resident in memory and allows us to bump up the size of our Varnish storage for cached wiki pages. The increased number of cores enable more simultaneous pages to be rendered; the current server quickly maxes out during big events due to heavy editing traffic on Liquipedia.

Moving away from a proprietary backup system (R1Soft requires binary kernel modules) allows full flexibility with the kernel and I've chosen to use ZFS on Linux along with the latest Debian backported kernel. ZFS is an enterprise copy-on-write file system with excellent data integrity features, compression, snapshots and more. The new kernel also makes technology like Google's BBR TCP congestion control available, which greatly improves data transfer speed over higher latency connections.

The server location has moved from Internap in New York City, USA to OVH in Montreal, Canada. This should have a minimal effect on latency and it allows us to have geo-distributed backups - the current server only backs up to the same datacenter in NYC whereas the new server backs up to a different continent entirely (to a server in France). While OVH do have polarizing reviews, I've been running my personal sites there for a while without any issues and feel confident enough to use them for TL. I have a feeling that a lot of the negative reviews come from people who don't understand that they are a fully unmanaged provider.

I also took the opportunity to move all our background processing tasks such as deferred thread updates, live stream info, spam detection, etc into systemd units, so they are properly managed and restarted if any issues occur. This should finally put things like this issue to rest.
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vik7
Profile Joined May 2009
United States227 Posts
March 20 2017 22:16 GMT
#2
nice
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33492 Posts
March 20 2017 22:24 GMT
#3
Fantastic, I'm writing a script that opens every thread in "view all" mode now
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 20 2017 22:46 GMT
#4
Fun news, thanks!
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hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
March 20 2017 22:46 GMT
#5
Sounds great! Nice moving the bg processing to systemd services.

Interesting that you mention BBR, I've looked into this recently at uni and it seems to me like people are a bit cautious in the IETF, academia, etc when it comes to adopting BBR. They're not buying Googles results just like that, at least that's my impression. I also heard that BBR took a "shortcut" into the kernel because the Google guys (who also administer the kernel) merged it... Anyway, I myself think BBR is a great solution, but I was wondering if you had some great resources to point me to or any other justification for your "great improvement" on data trasnfer speed? (Thanks!!)

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DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
March 20 2017 22:58 GMT
#6
That's a nice little setup. What monitoring do you run on the server? Do you have the ability to compare the loads now on the new system, with the loads on the old system. Will you publish them?

Though yeah, get off those HDDs before they die I can fully appreciate that. The Intel SSDs are nice, I looked at them but I went mostly to Samsung NVMe drives for my personal server rack because my employer gave me a bunch.
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
March 20 2017 23:02 GMT
#7
On March 21 2017 07:24 Waxangel wrote:
Fantastic, I'm writing a script that opens every thread in "view all" mode now


Ahahahaha! In all seriousness though, this is good stuff!
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4954 Posts
March 20 2017 23:05 GMT
#8
On March 21 2017 07:46 hewo wrote:
I also heard that BBR took a "shortcut" into the kernel because the Google guys (who also administer the kernel) merged it...

huh? The linux kernel is maintained by the Linux Foundation, not by Google...
Administrator@FO_nTTaX | FO-nTTaX.de | 0xff0000.dev | Senior Lead Liquipedia Developer
"Nimm es. Es ist nicht viel, aber es kommt von Herzen. Vergiss mich nicht!"
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 20 2017 23:13 GMT
#9
How fast does it do SuperPi 1M though

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[MD]Frostbite
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada292 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-21 04:05:20
March 20 2017 23:15 GMT
#10
Welcome to Montreal! Does this mean I can visit the servers?

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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
March 20 2017 23:22 GMT
#11
On March 21 2017 07:24 Waxangel wrote:
Fantastic, I'm writing a script that opens every thread in "view all" mode now


Make it so that 'Subscribed Threads' open all threads on 'view all' on the same page, it'd be quicker to follow.
hewo
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway119 Posts
March 20 2017 23:23 GMT
#12
On March 21 2017 08:05 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 07:46 hewo wrote:
I also heard that BBR took a "shortcut" into the kernel because the Google guys (who also administer the kernel) merged it...

huh? The linux kernel is maintained by the Linux Foundation, not by Google...


https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/0f8782ea14974ce992618b55f0c041ef43ed0b78

Neal Cardwell (Researcher at Google) committed BBR into the kernel...
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 20 2017 23:24 GMT
#13
Good stuff!

Also OVH, cool! :>
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
March 20 2017 23:27 GMT
#14
TL+ Doing work!

I don't know what most of this stuff means, but if Rich has a big blog post talking about awesome it is, must be really cool stuff.
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
March 20 2017 23:29 GMT
#15
<3
T P Z sagi
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2017 23:36 GMT
#16
Welcome to Canada!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Alternity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-21 03:05:48
March 20 2017 23:42 GMT
#17
Great news! Very impressive to see how well the website speeds have kept up on the older hardware That is quite a big step up in CPU power.

Is the DB really just on a single drive? Surprised it is not part of a RAID at least or some kind of software fault tolerance. I can see why you would be concerned when a single drive failure would take the DB offline.

I assume for budgetary reasons this is not being setup with two identical hosts and a SAN for shared storage and failover?
beerbuddha
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada12 Posts
March 20 2017 23:55 GMT
#18
Ive met the OVH rept at Dreamhack MTL - great people.

And yes you are right about reviews - unmanaged dedicated servers are another beast comparing to those who uses cpanels LOL.

congrats on the upgrade - as a tech person I'm sure you were itching to do so.

Next up: some CDN, LB across regions?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
March 21 2017 00:24 GMT
#19
YES! Beautiful... T-T
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
March 21 2017 00:28 GMT
#20
Didn't know TL was posting in chinese
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