EPTOn October 02 2015 22:11 shid0x wrote:
I don't have anything against the ad but 100 euros seems a lot :d
I don't have anything against the ad but 100 euros seems a lot :d
what was once 3400 baht would now be 4100
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Cam Connor
Canada786 Posts
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Thryd
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TheCzarOfAll
United States170 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
I only buy TL+ because I want to support TL without looking at ads  | ||
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pebble444
Italy2498 Posts
I could afford to pay 30 euros a year. That being said, i believe in my own eyes i have earned the right to view TL adless, troughout my small contribuitions, mainly organizing tournaments and pointing people to the TL community and explainig to them how it is great and they can find many stratiegies and other useful things for bw. I understand the need to generate revenue for costs and staff, and plus its a great thing in life to work for a living doing what you love to do. I will also add that i believe you are going the wrong way with this. What are you going to do in another 3 years when you face another situation like this, add another banner? I turned off ad-block to see what it looks like. Ads have always been on the losing side of advertizement. They are not cost efficient and annoy people to no end. The main reason is that even if you collect all the data in the world, it is still computer generated , and a computer has to date never been able to understand what a human being wants or needs. Its not cost efficient, like building battlecruisers in a TvP. If you take a look at the hardware threads, like headphones, computer build, screens and such, you would see that many users buy products based upon reviews of other or suggestions. This is not trackable or provable, nut i believe it to be so. It is a form of adverizement that is much more Human and therefore more people are drawn to it. An interesting example of something similar is social advertizing. Because the way these ads work now, all i want to do is ignore them and get to the content i am interested in. If, instead, ads where based on new things and games or products people used and where fond about, then i would maybe spend my time clicking and looking at what they have to say, because they would have some kind of appeal, and maybe i' m looking for that anyway. the ads i see here are the same as any other website, even if you claim otherwise. This as far as i am concerned. If you want to do things different than the general e-sports websites or other general websites, Then you must come up with different solutions. Its not easy at all yeah, but being original isn' t easy. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On October 02 2015 22:10 amazingxkcd wrote: speaking of which, is there a way to disable flash ads? those freeze my pc and my laptop up. Normal banners are fine for me I work in online advertising, and for us, the huge majority is pay per view. The cpc (cost per click) campaigns we are running are 50% (borderline) scammy, little shops trying to get an edge, 50% total clueless, dinosaurs in the advertising space. I actually got interested enough to check in our system: the ratio of pay per view to pay per click is ~ 8000:1 chrome has - since september 1st - flash ads disabled per default. You will see a greyed out, static image that has a play button. | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
On October 02 2015 16:30 FiWiFaKi wrote: Glad that you gave a heads up, but I will continue to use adblock (though I have purchased TL+ in the past), for the following reason: In the BW days, there were no ads, and from what I remember, the number of users on TL at once hasn't changed much. The features offered seem more or less the same from what was in the past (minus liquipedia and bigger TL team), but I was under the impression that all, or at least most liquipedia positions were unpaid, and I wouldn't expect the forum website to be covering the cost of operation of the team, rather the sponsors like Razer would. So that's the missing gap for me, it's not like the cost of servers magically increased 10 fold. So while I have nothing against TL being a business, and when there's opportunity to make money in relatively innocent ways, to make that money... But I don't see why it's something that's necessary when it wasn't necessary in the past. Not trying to start some big debate, just sharing my thoughts, I still have respect (if that's the right term here), for the people who white list TL, I just prefer the cleaner experience since it's something that I don't feel is a necessity for the site to survive (due to my point above). edit: Also not exactly fair giving examples of the most ad-filled gaming websites, versus common ones like reddit, steam forums, playdota.com, dotadev, dotafire, dotabuff... Actually I just went through like the first 8 links with a google search "dota 2 forums", and all the websites had less ads than TL, so it's kind of misleading. Like sure, there's less ads than on sketchy porn and news sites, but certainly, when comparing gaming communities, TL is above the curve in terms of number of ads (or at the very least on the curve), so playing the "hasn't accepted the industry standard" card is kind of a low blow. I very much support this statement. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 03 2015 11:01 desRow wrote: this is quite a headache of a situation tbh. I've never run adblock on TL but this new placement is quite disgusting. I only look at TL for the feature stream/event calendar and now I have to stare at an ad and it takes quite a lot of space on the screen. The best option is to turn adblock since it takes less space overall than having an ad there. Yes, TL would be wise to cater to the people who only come to the site to look at the exact area of the screen where the ad will be. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On October 02 2015 22:09 R1CH wrote: Most networks pay per view so even if you don't click it still helps. does refreshing the screen help, if i have one those drinky bird things that go up and down on my f5 key do u guys get views like that? | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
On October 03 2015 16:59 Shock710 wrote: why not just have like 5 extra ads down below the sidebar settings, and remove the one above the streams Ad networks pay more for ads that are visible without scrolling. The ads below the top of the page have very low view rates in general. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On October 03 2015 22:21 R1CH wrote: Ad networks pay more for ads that are visible without scrolling. The ads below the top of the page have very low view rates in general. but right now with the live events actually showing streams the ad is pushed down to the point where it needs to be scrolled to be seen. Does that still count? or rather if it does get pushed down it counts for less (can they even track that?) | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On October 03 2015 18:23 Shock710 wrote: does refreshing the screen help, if i have one those drinky bird things that go up and down on my f5 key do u guys get views like that? the company I work for has a campaign targeting feature called 'frequency capping', where you can say how many times in a certain time window we are allowed to show the same ad to the same user. A typical setting is '3 times per 8 hours'. Websites selling inventory typically have a 'waterfall' solution, where they try to sell to their premium customers first, and then start offering to lower bidders and at the very end of that there is the dumpster category that is filled with '10 things you should never eat to lose belly fat'. Prices at the very top could be (depending on who you are) up to several dollars for 1000 impressions, while at the dumpster level, you are looking at cents per 1000 impressions. So with your birdy, you'd be driving prices down for TL. This is written from a real time bidding perspective, of which I know that Teamliquid does it to a certain degree. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 03 2015 22:48 Dumbledore wrote: to get to the Streams now I have to scroll down for ages. I'd be hard pressed to think of a more inane complaint if I tried. | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
On October 02 2015 03:45 geokilla wrote: Adblock is off here for me because the ads are generally non-intrusive. Now if the ads are the tracking type then I'm going to turn them back on. I don't think they get to choose. It's all based on your cookies and browsing history. I bet if you have an Instagram account and follow a lot of hot Asian girls, it's reflected here. this is correct, google ads are based on browsing history, combined with google's info on your age, gender, previous searches etc. As R1ch said you can opt out of personalised ads. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 04 2015 00:04 Doodsmack wrote: I'd be hard pressed to think of a more inane complaint if I tried. It's pretty annoying actually if you have TL open in a small window to maximise desktop space. | ||
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