As you can see TL was just updated and looks very different from before. The most striking change is aesthetic, but we've made some minor functional changes as well. Altogether, we think it makes TeamLiquid a lot more pleasant and convenient to browse.
Changelog
Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2)
The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
League of Legends forums have been moved from the Sports and Games forum block to their appropriate locations in "Tournaments, Games General," and "Strategy." If you do opt to change back to per-game blocks in your settings, League of Legends will now show as its own game block.
The default order of the new blocks is: Tournaments, Games General, Strategy, Community, Other Games, Blogs.
Reorganization of non-esports forum blocks (previously General and Sports & Games)
The old "General" forum block has been renamed to "Community" and has been moved below the esports related forum blocks by default.
The "Sports & Games" block has been renamed "Other Games."
A new Sports forum has been created and is listed in the new "Community" forum block. Sports related threads from the old Sports and Games forum have been moved to the new Sports forum.
The Health and Fitness forum has been closed, with popular threads moved into the Sports forum.
Fan Clubs and User Streams forums have been moved into the "Games General" block.
Added a new Media & Entertainment forum to the "Community" forum block. Relevant threads in the General forum have been moved to the Media & Entertainment forum.
Bunker build time increased by 5 seconds.
Visual Improvements
Widened left and right sidebars by 39 pixels.
Added comment counters for individual articles in the News block on the left sidebar.
Added viewer counters for individual streams in the Calendar and Live Streams sections on the right sidebar.
Changed the design of the left and right sidebar headers.
Changed border color for the left and right sidebars and news column.
Changed border color for forum posts.
Borders removed from all sub-sections in the news column (main rotator, community news, featured articles, TL store, etc.)
*You can still customize the forum order in the site site settings. You can also choose to revert to the old organization system.
Explaining the changes.
Though a number of the changes are pretty straight-forward, I'd like to explain some of them in more detail. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to post them in this thread.
Breaking up and reorganizing the SC2, BW, and Dota2 forum blocks. This is probably the biggest change. As mentioned before, you can go back to the old ordering system by changing your site settings.
There are a lot of reasons for the change. We need to design TeamLiquid.net keeping in mind that we're designing for a wide audience, not just for hardcore esports fans. The majority of TL visitors don't use site customization, and we needed to better prioritize how we used our vertical space for people who don't know TL like the back of their hand.
Although it made sense to have our SC2 General and SC2 Tourneys toward the top of the page, it didn't make sense for forums with lower activity like SC2 Strategy and Custom Maps to push down all of the major forums for Dota2 and Brood War. The general and tournament forums are some of the most active ones on TeamLiquid.net, and we wanted to prioritize their visibility.
Tournaments above Games General The main reason for Tournaments receiving the next highest position below News was because the most visited and active threads from the SC2/Dota2/BW general forums are typically found under featured and community news already. It was often the case where you would have three links to the same forum post on the front page, which was not an efficient use of space at all.
We also like that visitors are now immediately presented with tournaments, as tournaments are exactly what TeamLiquid is about.
Changing General into Community and moving it below the esports forum blocks Moving the Community (old General) section below the esports section is another big change. It's a very important and popular section for our hardcore users, but as an esports site covering multiple games, it didn't make sense for general community forums to push everything else down.
Again, regular users of TeamLiquid.net can customize the forum order to bring the Community Forum block back to the top.
Widening the sidebar On paper this is just a small change, but in practice it makes a huge difference when browsing TeamLiquid. Before, posts and article titles were frequently cut off before you could really tell what they were about. We believe this change will make browsing TeamLiquid much, much more convenient. Our width stays below 1280px, which should still allow TL to fit horizontally into the vast majority of displays.
Because the new sidebar is so different from before, we weren't able to preserve individual sidebar customization settings. Our apologies to everyone who lost their settings.
If you want to pay your respects to the old TL layout here is a screenshot. RIP. TL has come a long way since 2005.
On November 02 2013 02:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Changes/Fixes:
Changed the block section header graphics
The block section headers link to the forum pages again
Mouseover shows the full title when it was cut off
I dont get it. having every Starcraft/Dota forums separated from each other makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Good thing you can keep the old way though, so everybody's happy I guess
Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
Am I the only who was a bit disappointed with the change? I don't mind the shuffling around and such but I'm using TL on a laptop and the increase in layout size makes TL feel much more magnified. That and the lighter tone of colors while is welcome, seems to make posts stick out less than usual which I guess I find annoying lol. In truth, I was hoping TL maintained it's previous look while adding more sections and content. I guess I'm alone?
Out of pure curiosity... why have a limit on the total width of the page? I get having the sidebars at a certain width but what is the logic behind not having the middle of the website expand to close to 100% of the browsers width?
So far, the changes look great, I like the new sleek look.
Also, gratz to the LoL crowd for getting a space in the new games section, they've done a good job with the articles they released so far, definitely deserved (coming from a Dota player).
On November 01 2013 06:29 BigFan wrote: Am I the only who was a bit disappointed with the change? I don't mind the shuffling around and such but I'm using TL on a laptop and the increase in layout size makes TL feel much more magnified. That and the lighter tone of colors while is welcome, seems to make posts stick out less than usual which I guess I find annoying lol. In truth, I was hoping TL maintained it's previous look while adding more sections and content. I guess I'm alone?
While I had preferences for the old layout in some ways, I agree with Nazgul's points on why things were done the way they were.
Also if you don't like the new layout, just revert in the sidebar settings
On November 01 2013 06:31 Fildun wrote: Hmmm, also clicking on the headers like "Tournaments" or "Games General" doesn't seem to do anything. And when I click "Community" I get an error.
Yeah, I just tried this, the left sidebar 'titles' "Tournaments" "Games General" etc, all seem to point to various places around the site, haha.
On November 01 2013 06:31 Fildun wrote: Hmmm, also clicking on the headers like "Tournaments" or "Games General" doesn't seem to do anything. And when I click "Community" I get an error.
Yeah, I just tried this, the left sidebar 'titles' "Tournaments" "Games General" etc, all seem to point to various places around the site, haha.
As you can see TL was just updated and looks very different from before. The most striking change is aesthetic, but we've made some minor functional changes as well. Altogether, we think it makes TeamLiquid a lot more pleasant and convenient to browse.
Aww, no more tech without scrolling down a bunch and looking for it. I think most of the new posters there only see it because it was pretty readily in view from refreshing homepage! :0
Solid overhaul, but I dislike how a user who prefers the per-game sidebar option cannot have the User Streams and Fanclubs subforums on the sidebar without also activating the Games General tab, which essentially adds duplicates of each main game's general forum. It's distracting and doesn't make sense. I would be 100% happy with this if it were possible for User Streams and Fanclubs to be given their own tabs under Community when the per-game sidebar option is enabled.
The light tone of colours (especially the huge white bars on each side) bothers me. When I'm tired the white stings my eyes and it almost physically hurts to look, grey is so much easier on the eyes, certainly doesn't make me want to use TL much in the night which is a bit sad since many big tournaments are happening so late for Europeans.
The new design is really awesome. I am not sure I like the new ordering, but I am sure I will just get used to it and if not I still can change ist back. The widening of the page is the thing I like the most. Thanks TL!
Overall looks like a nice improvement now that I've adjusted my settings, but there is one thing:
- Why are fan clubs moved to Games General? From what I understand nearly all of those are sc2-related so I have to wonder why that's not simply in the sc2 block. I'm mostly here for sc2, and don't really care about the rest of the Games General block and would like to close it, but I do like seeing which fan clubs are being bumped.
Need to consider that if this was coded on a Mac (and not checked by a designer on Windows) that they will render type significantly heavier than on "most" browsers on Windows. (Chrome especially)
In the old version, if the news title was cut off, there was still a HTML title attribute attached to it, so you could read the whole title while hovering. I wish you could bring it back.
Okay I figured it out, User Streams and Fan Clubs are under Games General which I disabled, is it possible to move them to the Community block instead? I prefer the old individual game blocks and I would rather not have to double up just to have fan clubs on the sidebar.
It feels funny to me that LoL can be filtered out by "Other" instead of by its own filter now that it is divided up similarly as compared to Dota 2, SC2, and BW.
Other than that, very nice It'll take a while for me to get used to it, though.
There isn't anyway to hide LoL anymore with this change.I would really like for this to happen please TL overlords let me hide LoL.
On November 01 2013 06:53 CakeSauc3 wrote: It feels funny to me that LoL can be filtered out by "Other" instead of by its own filter now that it is divided up similarly as compared to Dota 2, SC2, and BW.
Other than that, very nice It'll take a while for me to get used to it, though.
On November 01 2013 06:53 kirsed wrote: There isn't anyway to hide LoL anymore with this change.I would really like for this to happen please TL overlords let me hide LoL.
hmm? The only place I see LoL on my screen is in Games General (because I want fan clubs)
On November 01 2013 06:53 kirsed wrote: There isn't anyway to hide LoL anymore with this change.I would really like for this to happen please TL overlords let me hide LoL.
You can still do it, go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/leftsidebar.php If you reverted to old view make sure LoL block is on the right side up top. If you're keeping new view, uncheck the 3 LoL boxes at the bottom.
On November 01 2013 06:53 kirsed wrote: There isn't anyway to hide LoL anymore with this change.I would really like for this to happen please TL overlords let me hide LoL.
On November 01 2013 06:53 CakeSauc3 wrote: It feels funny to me that LoL can be filtered out by "Other" instead of by its own filter now that it is divided up similarly as compared to Dota 2, SC2, and BW.
Other than that, very nice It'll take a while for me to get used to it, though.
Nevermind!
Click on "Customize sidebar" and uncheck everything that reads "LoL".
The tooltips for long titles such as "[WCS AM] Challenger League Groups An..." are gone.
On November 01 2013 06:56 Mambo wrote: The thing under News where if you click the number and it takes you to the last page, i want that for all the forum link!
There's an option in your profile to go to the last page from the sidebar.
a nice future feature would to be able to move sections from the left sidebar to the right (for example, I'd personally want the tournaments section right under events).
SC2 General is in the block "Starcraft 2" and in the block "Games General" I keep the block "Starcraft 2" so I have both SC2 General & SC2 tourneys close to each other but it means I have 2 SC2 Generals. If I hide the block Starcraft 2, I have to show the block Tournament, but it separates the two SC2 forum with a big menu bar
it would be great if we could switch the order of forums inside a block
(what would be better is if you could consider each forum as an individual widget)
On November 01 2013 06:56 Mambo wrote: The thing under News where if you click the number and it takes you to the last page, i want that for all the forum link!
There's an option in your profile to go to the last page from the sidebar.
What im am looking for is the regular link to go to page 1, and then a numbers link to go to last page. Just like the news section.
Ever since, we've been very careful with adding games to TL, and we're confident that Dota 2, like the StarCraft series, can be one of those games that resonate with our community.
Dota is a game with incredible depth. Just like in StarCraft where you can play one race all your life and never truly master it, Dota is a game where you are always learning new things. The game has a harsh and brutal skill curve that requires many of the same qualities out of top players as Brood War and StarCraft 2. It requires practice, experience, and knowledge. Ultimately, it comes down to the ability to think strategically and make fast, smart decisions.
I'd be pretty dissapointed if TL officially starts covering LoL. : /
On November 01 2013 07:07 delHospital wrote: Hm, this made me realize... Why is the Diablo 3 subforum hidden by default?
Unfortunately D3 was hidden when we introduced it and we didn't notice when rolling out the new changes. We already wiped everyone's preferences when we did this change, don't want to do it again .
The Health and Fitness forum has been closed, with popular threads moved into the Sports forum.
Well, they are there now, they weren't at the start.
However, still a bad change, sports/games is pretty dang active, and these threads are going to get lost in the shuffle as some of them only see a couple posts a day, and can go even longer without a post.
Looks pretty good, just a little concerned about forums like Tech being completely out of view and invisible to everyone who doesn't go looking for them or change settings
On November 01 2013 07:07 delHospital wrote: Hm, this made me realize... Why is the Diablo 3 subforum hidden by default?
Unfortunately D3 was hidden when we introduced it and we didn't notice when rolling out the new changes. We already wiped everyone's preferences when we did this change, don't want to do it again .
Hm, at least it could be visible to people who aren't logged in. Not much point in having a forum that no one can see
I love the new layout, but right now the mouse-over text for thread names in the left bar is gone. This was useful for seeing the full title without having to click on the thread. Is it possible to get this back?
Had to move the laptop a few centimeters to the left but I managed to adjust. Still can't get the sidebars to show dota and bw stuff (have not been able to since I chose to hide them when that option came). Can't even get to it by clicking my way through the Forum drop-down under the banner. Just looks like this.
On November 01 2013 06:37 StarVe wrote: The light tone of colours (especially the huge white bars on each side) bothers me. When I'm tired the white stings my eyes and it almost physically hurts to look, grey is so much easier on the eyes, certainly doesn't make me want to use TL much in the night which is a bit sad since many big tournaments are happening so late for Europeans.
I use flux but it bothered me as well when the site came back.
On November 01 2013 07:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Had to move the laptop a few centimeters to the left but I managed to adjust. Still can't get the sidebars to show dota and bw stuff (have not been able to since I chose to hide them when that option came). Can't even get to it by clicking my way through the Forum drop-down under the banner. Just looks like this.
Make sure dota and bw aren't filtered out (top game icons) and are enabled in your site settings.
If I have both SC2 and games general active, then there's 2 general SC2 forums. Under SC2 and under games general forum. http://i.imgur.com/h08NJS2.jpg Is this intended or not? Either way, having the same thing under 2 sections is overkill.
Edit: Also I don't see other games in (like mmos and stuff) anywhere, while I do have other games active on the left sidebar.
Please please TL, make a good mobile app... This layout makes visiting TL on the phone even worse D:
Liking all the changes though. The fact that Diablo 3 is hidden does seem very silly to me, if that's going to be the automatic setting... Useless forum. Should consider wiping out all preferences again.
On November 01 2013 07:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Had to move the laptop a few centimeters to the left but I managed to adjust. Still can't get the sidebars to show dota and bw stuff (have not been able to since I chose to hide them when that option came). Can't even get to it by clicking my way through the Forum drop-down under the banner. Just looks like this.
Make sure dota and bw aren't filtered out (top game icons) and are enabled in your site settings.
Oh that little box. I had completely forgotten about the site filter. Been dragging boxes and activating stuff left and right but that single crucial detail went unnoticed. Quite impressive in a way.
On November 01 2013 07:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Please please TL, make a good mobile app... This layout makes visiting TL on the phone even worse D:
Liking all the changes though. The fact that Diablo 3 is hidden does seem very silly to me, if that's going to be the automatic setting... Useless forum. Should consider wiping out all preferences again.
I don't know why they don't just make the whole thing responsive. It really wouldn't take longer than like 4-5 hours to make this whole site at least decent on mobile. The only thing that would suffer is the custom layouts on featured news.
I was a little annoyed at first, being I pretty much only read the General forum nowadays, but then read about being able to change the settings back to the old way. Much love for adding the personalize feature.
On November 01 2013 07:24 FiWiFaKi wrote: Please please TL, make a good mobile app... This layout makes visiting TL on the phone even worse D:
Liking all the changes though. The fact that Diablo 3 is hidden does seem very silly to me, if that's going to be the automatic setting... Useless forum. Should consider wiping out all preferences again.
I don't know why they don't just make the whole thing responsive. It really wouldn't take longer than like 4-5 hours to make this whole site at least decent on mobile. The only thing that would suffer is the custom layouts on featured news.
On November 01 2013 06:29 WrexSC2 wrote: Out of pure curiosity... why have a limit on the total width of the page? I get having the sidebars at a certain width but what is the logic behind not having the middle of the website expand to close to 100% of the browsers width?
This is an incredibly nuanced issue to deal with in regards to how people use their devices. But basically, the width is an aesthetic design choice that coincidentally follows older legacy practices in designing webpages. As an example, the standard max-width for a long time was around 900-960px wide, and if you look at sites like nvidia or ign or even the ny times (there are tons of others), they are all around 972px wide. This is so that they can be viewed by as many users as possible and still be within the 1024 width so that no side scrolling has to occur. This is highly dependent though on your site-specific traffic though.
About 84% of TL users have a screen resolution larger than 720p, but whether they use a full sized viewport or not is an entirely different matter on top of this. So say we're talking about desktop users only, and assume that maybe the average users viewport is about 200px smaller than their total screen resolution (which isn't even always the case), what does that mean? Well I'm not sure how that data lies, but I can tell you that by designing to 100% of the viewport width, while it does afford using the maximum retail space, you still have to account for multiple resolutions down to the median-width at least, and especially smaller resolutions than 1024. This is why responsive design is starting to really gain momentum, because you can design 1 site, that works everywhere from your old 480x320 iphone to a 4k screen. And that would be a collosal project for TL.
On November 01 2013 06:37 Taku wrote: Went full Windows 8 did we?
Disregarding some of the facepalms in Win 8's functionality, it's beautiful and mostly well thought out visually (tons of designers have followed major cues from metro in the last few years.... including Apple).
Admins and staff? Are you guys satisfied with how titles look for threads?
And the plain white on plain dark blue on the sidebar? Maybe it's the font I dislike, not sure... But it's too plain and boring. Oh, maybe adding a shadow setting to the main sub-forums would make them looks nicer.
Still can't find other games on left sidebar. They are just not here. Also I did revert to the old version to check if they're still exist there. Nope. How can I enable the new version now?
On November 01 2013 07:33 Saraf wrote: Love the new layout, it looks great!
On November 01 2013 07:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: i like it, looks great! But where are the fanclubs??
Fanclubs are under Games General.
yeah but i use the old settings with each game separate. They are gone if you use it like that i think^^
Me too, I'm using the old settings, and I have no way to get fanclubs without adding "Games General"... And with old settings I can't even edit what is shown in Games General if I choose to use it, so I couldn't just enable fanclubs + streams even if I wanted to. So it will just create lots of duplicates.
On November 01 2013 06:28 Grettin wrote: Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
On November 01 2013 07:34 TJ31 wrote: Still can't find other games on left sidebar. They are just not here. Also I did revert to the old version to check if they're still exist there. Nope. How can I enable the new version now?
The same way you reverted to the old ones. Then you can revert to default.
On November 01 2013 06:28 Grettin wrote: Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
Possible in any way?
Go to settings.
under left sidebar options (active) just drag things into the order you want them to show.
On November 01 2013 07:34 TJ31 wrote: Still can't find other games on left sidebar. They are just not here. Also I did revert to the old version to check if they're still exist there. Nope. How can I enable the new version now?
The same way you reverted to the old ones. Then you can revert to default.
There were an option to revert to default below active/hidden blocks. There's nothing now, just save preferences button.
On November 01 2013 07:34 TJ31 wrote: Still can't find other games on left sidebar. They are just not here. Also I did revert to the old version to check if they're still exist there. Nope. How can I enable the new version now?
The same way you reverted to the old ones. Then you can revert to default.
There were an option to revert to default below active/hidden blocks. There's nothing now, just save preferences button.
Refresh the page, and go to the setting again. When I did it, it disappeared initially, but when I came to change the settings again, it came back.
On November 01 2013 06:28 Grettin wrote: Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
Possible in any way?
Go to settings.
under left sidebar options (active) just drag things into the order you want them to show.
I want to move these, not the actual tabs. i.e Dota General & Tournament section always on top, then SC2, then rest.
nooo I like strong borders T.T . Yay for the ability to revert though, I prefer checking game by game. But all tournaments in one section at the top is also nice.
wah streams don't fit anymore and the right sidebar is put under the stream. damn you 39 additional pixels.
On November 01 2013 06:28 Grettin wrote: Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
Possible in any way?
Go to settings.
under left sidebar options (active) just drag things into the order you want them to show.
I want to move these, not the actual tabs.
The technology just isn't there yet.
I like how I can actually read names of threads before I click on them now. So much nicer, surprised it took this long to decide to do this ^^
On November 01 2013 06:28 Grettin wrote: Had to ask one thing. Can you change the order of what section (SC2, Dota, LoL, BW) comes first in the Games General & Tournament tabs? I don't want to hide stuff.
Possible in any way?
Go to settings.
under left sidebar options (active) just drag things into the order you want them to show.
I want to move these, not the actual tabs. i.e Dota General & Tournament section always on top, then SC2, then rest.
oh you are one of those people and have it like that.
On November 01 2013 07:34 TJ31 wrote: Still can't find other games on left sidebar. They are just not here. Also I did revert to the old version to check if they're still exist there. Nope. How can I enable the new version now?
The same way you reverted to the old ones. Then you can revert to default.
There were an option to revert to default below active/hidden blocks. There's nothing now, just save preferences button.
Refresh the page, and go to the setting again. When I did it, it disappeared initially, but when I came to change the settings again, it came back.
Doesn't work sadly. The button is there when I clean cookies or check site as a guest using different browser, but when I log in (any browser), it disappears.
On November 01 2013 06:29 WrexSC2 wrote: Out of pure curiosity... why have a limit on the total width of the page? I get having the sidebars at a certain width but what is the logic behind not having the middle of the website expand to close to 100% of the browsers width?
This is an incredibly nuanced issue to deal with in regards to how people use their devices. But basically, the width is an aesthetic design choice that coincidentally follows older legacy practices in designing webpages. As an example, the standard max-width for a long time was around 900-960px wide, and if you look at sites like nvidia or ign or even the ny times (there are tons of others), they are all around 972px wide. This is so that they can be viewed by as many users as possible and still be within the 1024 width so that no side scrolling has to occur. This is highly dependent though on your site-specific traffic though.
About 84% of TL users have a screen resolution larger than 720p, but whether they use a full sized viewport or not is an entirely different matter on top of this. So say we're talking about desktop users only, and assume that maybe the average users viewport is about 200px smaller than their total screen resolution (which isn't even always the case), what does that mean? Well I'm not sure how that data lies, but I can tell you that by designing to 100% of the viewport width, while it does afford using the maximum retail space, you still have to account for multiple resolutions down to the median-width at least, and especially smaller resolutions than 1024. This is why responsive design is starting to really gain momentum, because you can design 1 site, that works everywhere from your old 480x320 iphone to a 4k screen. And that would be a collosal project for TL.
On November 01 2013 06:37 Taku wrote: Went full Windows 8 did we?
Disregarding some of the facepalms in Win 8's functionality, it's beautiful and mostly well thought out visually (tons of designers have followed major cues from metro in the last few years.... including Apple).
Well Windows 8 followed design trends, I don't think designers followed Windows 8. Really the anomaly is Apples moves towards skeuomorphism at that time, because everything from applications to websites were going the direction of Windows 8 before Windows 8. In some countries it was more prevalent than others, especially Scandinavia as we've always kept design quite minimal. But early on in web and UI design there were a lot of notions on what it 'had' to be which stopped people from taking what they learned from print design over the last century and web/ui design developed quite slowly relative to the speed of the advancement of technology in that sector. But regardless, the style is hardly new.
Out of curiosity what makes going responsive a colossal project for TL. Looking through this site I'm not seeing anything that would be especially difficult. You would need a restructured menu and trim some sections but compared to other responsive sites this one I would consider easy. (Unless there's something I'm missing here)
On November 01 2013 08:05 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: You guys removed Teamliquid Health & Fitness. Is there any reason behind it and/or a chance that we can get our own sub-forum back?
Other than that I like the changes =)
Yea, I'm going to keep harping on it because it really isn't a change that makes sense to me. I'd love to at least know the reason why it would be removed.
On November 01 2013 08:05 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: You guys removed Teamliquid Health & Fitness. Is there any reason behind it and/or a chance that we can get our own sub-forum back?
Other than that I like the changes =)
Yea, I'm going to keep harping on it because it really isn't a change that makes sense to me. I'd love to at least know the reason why it would be removed.
Yeah, I'd really appreciate at least an explanation. Glad to know that you're advocating for us too L_Master
Only thing i don't like are the comment blocks. The content frame is just as blue as everything else.. with a flat style a bit more subtle color variation would be nice.
On November 01 2013 08:05 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: You guys removed Teamliquid Health & Fitness. Is there any reason behind it and/or a chance that we can get our own sub-forum back?
Other than that I like the changes =)
Yea, I'm going to keep harping on it because it really isn't a change that makes sense to me. I'd love to at least know the reason why it would be removed.
Yeah, I'd really appreciate at least an explanation. Glad to know that you're advocating for us too L_Master
On November 01 2013 08:05 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: You guys removed Teamliquid Health & Fitness. Is there any reason behind it and/or a chance that we can get our own sub-forum back?
Other than that I like the changes =)
Yea, I'm going to keep harping on it because it really isn't a change that makes sense to me. I'd love to at least know the reason why it would be removed.
Yeah, I'd really appreciate at least an explanation. Glad to know that you're advocating for us too L_Master
We can't keep a (non gaming) forum on the sidebar when it isn't used enough to justify the spot. The Health & Fitness forum revolves around only a couple threads. The threads are now in Sports and can be used as before without taking up a full sidebar spot.
On November 01 2013 06:29 WrexSC2 wrote: Out of pure curiosity... why have a limit on the total width of the page? I get having the sidebars at a certain width but what is the logic behind not having the middle of the website expand to close to 100% of the browsers width?
This is an incredibly nuanced issue to deal with in regards to how people use their devices. But basically, the width is an aesthetic design choice that coincidentally follows older legacy practices in designing webpages. As an example, the standard max-width for a long time was around 900-960px wide, and if you look at sites like nvidia or ign or even the ny times (there are tons of others), they are all around 972px wide. This is so that they can be viewed by as many users as possible and still be within the 1024 width so that no side scrolling has to occur. This is highly dependent though on your site-specific traffic though.
About 84% of TL users have a screen resolution larger than 720p, but whether they use a full sized viewport or not is an entirely different matter on top of this. So say we're talking about desktop users only, and assume that maybe the average users viewport is about 200px smaller than their total screen resolution (which isn't even always the case), what does that mean? Well I'm not sure how that data lies, but I can tell you that by designing to 100% of the viewport width, while it does afford using the maximum retail space, you still have to account for multiple resolutions down to the median-width at least, and especially smaller resolutions than 1024. This is why responsive design is starting to really gain momentum, because you can design 1 site, that works everywhere from your old 480x320 iphone to a 4k screen. And that would be a collosal project for TL.
On November 01 2013 06:37 Taku wrote: Went full Windows 8 did we?
Disregarding some of the facepalms in Win 8's functionality, it's beautiful and mostly well thought out visually (tons of designers have followed major cues from metro in the last few years.... including Apple).
Out of curiosity what makes going responsive a colossal project for TL. Looking through this site I'm not seeing anything that would be especially difficult. You would need a restructured menu and trim some sections but compared to other responsive sites this one I would consider easy. (Unless there's something I'm missing here)
I'm not really in a position to answer that unfortunately, but from what I've been told the back end would hold that up from being a simple solution. R1CH might have better idea.
I dont like if sites decide to drop their strong nice colours and change to this "modern" kind of silverish and everything light blue. It just looks like any other site, boring and faceless. But whatever, the general structure is still there and we can revert structural changes to the old style. Stylish is already waiting to change the colours back to give TL.net more contrast again.
On November 01 2013 08:17 Slomo wrote: I dont like if sites decide to drop their strong nice colours and change to this "modern" kind of silverish and everything light blue. It just looks like any other site, boring and faceless. But whatever, the general structure is still there and we can revert structural changes to the old style. Stylish is already waiting to change the colours back to give TL.net more contrast again.
Reminds me of the changes that overclock.net underwent. I used to look the site and layout then they 'upgraded' and now it's slow and feels congested so I stopped going to it years ago >< At least these changes aren't as bad as those ones were but I still wish the website wasn't as stretched. It used to look more symmetric but it still seems stressed. Hopefully my eyes will adjust.
Btw, question, why was the anime discussion thread moved into media and entertainment? It was final under general so I'm a bit concerned that other members won't find it since I had to play with my settings before realizing this fact. Any way to move it back or is it a final decision kind of thing?
Quick question : I never watch any LoL or BW tourneys. Can i remove them? For the moment, I can just collapse them, but I;d like to remove them alltogether
On November 01 2013 08:22 fezvez wrote: Website looks nicer than before.
Quick question : I never watch any LoL or BW tourneys. Can i remove them? For the moment, I can just collapse them, but I;d like to remove them alltogether
thx x1000 by adding viewer count of streams. thx for being able to revert back to old sidebar groupings. only 1 "problem": when i change back to the old sidebar groupings, bw and lol are now swapped compared to before and now the order isnt the same as the stream order.
On November 01 2013 06:29 WrexSC2 wrote: Out of pure curiosity... why have a limit on the total width of the page? I get having the sidebars at a certain width but what is the logic behind not having the middle of the website expand to close to 100% of the browsers width?
This is an incredibly nuanced issue to deal with in regards to how people use their devices. But basically, the width is an aesthetic design choice that coincidentally follows older legacy practices in designing webpages. As an example, the standard max-width for a long time was around 900-960px wide, and if you look at sites like nvidia or ign or even the ny times (there are tons of others), they are all around 972px wide. This is so that they can be viewed by as many users as possible and still be within the 1024 width so that no side scrolling has to occur. This is highly dependent though on your site-specific traffic though.
About 84% of TL users have a screen resolution larger than 720p, but whether they use a full sized viewport or not is an entirely different matter on top of this. So say we're talking about desktop users only, and assume that maybe the average users viewport is about 200px smaller than their total screen resolution (which isn't even always the case), what does that mean? Well I'm not sure how that data lies, but I can tell you that by designing to 100% of the viewport width, while it does afford using the maximum retail space, you still have to account for multiple resolutions down to the median-width at least, and especially smaller resolutions than 1024. This is why responsive design is starting to really gain momentum, because you can design 1 site, that works everywhere from your old 480x320 iphone to a 4k screen. And that would be a collosal project for TL.
On November 01 2013 06:37 Taku wrote: Went full Windows 8 did we?
Disregarding some of the facepalms in Win 8's functionality, it's beautiful and mostly well thought out visually (tons of designers have followed major cues from metro in the last few years.... including Apple).
Out of curiosity what makes going responsive a colossal project for TL. Looking through this site I'm not seeing anything that would be especially difficult. You would need a restructured menu and trim some sections but compared to other responsive sites this one I would consider easy. (Unless there's something I'm missing here)
I'm not really in a position to answer that unfortunately, but from what I've been told the back end would hold that up from being a simple solution. R1CH might have better idea.
Yeah that doesn't really make sense to me. I mean I could write a wrapper to make this whole site responsive without touching the mark-up, generate some menus based on the current ones in JS. Has nothing to do with the back-end.
Not saying you or rich are lying about it, but it's possible the coders aren't experienced with responsive to the point where they realize it's incredibly easy. Since my primary specialization is in CSS and accessibility I guess my views on what's easy or not might be a bit skewed.
But if you'd like when I have some free time I could make the site responsive as an example just to show that it isn't all that difficult.
I'm usually a fan of TL updates but this one I'm not a fan at all.
Thank you for adding the option to revert back to the previous settings, as I don't look at Dota2, Lol, etc threads, they now take up space needlessly. Fortunately I can customize, but "hiding" some sections still keeps their title which takes up space. For example, I like fan clubs, but to have them, I keep all other 'games general' sections. It seems I had to actually to do customization to remove redundancy such as 'SC2 strategy' appearing under SC2 and under Strategy.
I'm also not a big fan of the new aesthetic, with the large thin fonts "tournaments", "news" etc. But the aesthetic I can live with.
The pixel change is quite unfortunate as on my 12.5 inch Lenovo with my standard zoom at 125%, the right column is now 70% hidden. If I reduce zoom, the font is a bit too small to read. Wish there was a way to revert this change back too.
On November 01 2013 08:17 Slomo wrote: I dont like if sites decide to drop their strong nice colours and change to this "modern" kind of silverish and everything light blue. It just looks like any other site, boring and faceless. But whatever, the general structure is still there and we can revert structural changes to the old style. Stylish is already waiting to change the colours back to give TL.net more contrast again.
Is there a place to change fonts and text sizes? The text is too small for me read comfortably now in the sidebars and zoom will zoom in the main page too much. I already have the site at 125% zoom.
I clicked the button to revert back to the previous style. But now I can't find the button to revert it back to the new style. How does one go about doing that? Thanks.
Still can't change sidebar settings to new style/whatever after trying how will it look with per-game one. When I check site as a guess after I clear tl's cookies. http://imgur.com/dhl4bJv When I'm logged in. http://imgur.com/do9PDAu Is there any other way to reset settings or something? P.S. Tried in FF, Chrome and IE.
On November 01 2013 09:03 Lucumo wrote: The "Other Games" section seems bugged. It's active but not showing. The "other games" part of it is visible as well.
Do you have "other" turned off in the site filters?
I really like the new organisation - I think it makes a lot of sense and will help newer people get to know the site better. It's very exciting!
The one thing that I'm a bit uneasy about is the lighter border colours around posts. It's harder to pick out individual posts, and when I scroll down quite fast (very quick skim-reading), my eyes are drawn to the stronger colours of the headers in the sidebars and not to the posts. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, it's the new modern 'silverish/light' look, and personally, I'm not a fan of it being used everywhere. But I'm sure it's something that I'll get used to over time, so minor issue. (:
Thanks for the great changes! Totally loving the sidebars right now. Also, I'm happy that TL kept the option to go back to the old organisation for people who like that (though I definitely will be keeping the new organisation) - such thoughtfulness is not always displayed!
Woaoaoh. Interesting changes! I definitely like not having to hover over streams to see their viewers anymore. I'm not sure I like the reordering of the sidebar, but of course that can be customized. I'm less mad about TL being down when I tried to submit a paragraph-long post now!
I agree with the people who said this has some ios7 vibe to it..
The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
On November 01 2013 09:03 Lucumo wrote: The "Other Games" section seems bugged. It's active but not showing. The "other games" part of it is visible as well.
Do you have "other" turned off in the site filters?
Hm? There is only "Other Games" for the left side which is active(section) and visible(sub-section). Right side has "Other" but that's not relevant and doesn't change anything if I turn it on.
/edit: Also, if I read featured news, I can only see the section headlines but don't see the newer threads or the sub-sections.
Change is scary! But since you can change the forum grouping back to how it was I can get used to the other stuff, maybe I'll even like it better after getting used to it?
However: I reverted back to the old forum block layout since I prefer to have the games broken up by category, this way the sub-forums I visit the most are on the top so I don't have to scroll so much (I guess having them grouped by category rather than game could be helpful if you follow several games, or don't bother with the customizing). As some people have noted, since "Fan Clubs" and "User Streams" are now under "Games General" they are no longer visable on the left sidebar if you remove the new "General" and "Tournaments" sections. Feels to me like it would be better to have them under "Community" to avoid this problem? You can also no longer hover the mouse over forum post names that are too long to fit on the sidebar to get a pop-up with the whole title, which means I have to click on posts to see the title, which is not ideal. I noticed that you still get the pop-up on the right sidebar, so maybe removing them on the left side was unintended?
Regarding visual changes: Having a few old windows up that I haven't refreshed, so far I can say that I liked the old sidebar headers better, they where a lot more light and fit better with the blue color scheme imo, these new dark ones stick out to much. Feels like my eyes want to focus on them rather than the post titles. Not sure why borders around posts were changed? The old darker borders look better to me, it's easier to see the posts (although this is mostly when comparing the old and the new border color next to each other, so probably not a big deal). The other visual changes are fine.
I like the changes but there are a few kinks to work out. I'm using Chrome on a mac and I'm not always seeing the right side bar when watching streams. For example, depending on how much I stretch my window the bar might be under the twitch chat right next to the left side bar, or it is will be partially obscured because the screen doesn't reach it without scrolling sideways.
I like the changes. It makes me so happy. Recently a lot of my favourite websites changed layout and all of them were for the worse, reducing information density by putting empty space everywhere and increasing clicks. But these changes are well thought out to actually increase efficiency. Great!
Scanned through the comments so not sure if it was mentioned, but one of the things I really appreciate about this change is that it appears that the sidebars and main content area have been given ids (#main-left-sidebar, #main-content, #main-right-sidebar) in the html making it much easier for me to customize my stylish profile for Team Liquid. If these existed in the previous site design I couldn't seem to find them, but they are super obvious now. Thanks guys!
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
control panel, display, adjust cleartype text, it should be on for everyone, what is it for you?
On November 01 2013 09:44 extropy wrote: Scanned through the comments so not sure if it was mentioned, but one of the things I really appreciate about this change is that it appears that the sidebars and main content area have been given ids (#main-left-sidebar, #main-content, #main-right-sidebar) in the html making it much easier for me to customize my stylish profile for Team Liquid. If these existed in the previous site design I couldn't seem to find them, but they are super obvious now. Thanks guys!
A lot of work was redone for the sidebars so it probably included those things.
On November 01 2013 09:47 Araneae wrote: The Brood War does not show on the sidebar, and I have listed it in the Active Blocks menu :/
Please take a screenshot showing your site settings page as well as the filters top right.
On November 01 2013 09:02 TJ31 wrote: Still can't change sidebar settings to new style/whatever after trying how will it look with per-game one. When I check site as a guess after I clear tl's cookies. http://imgur.com/dhl4bJv When I'm logged in. http://imgur.com/do9PDAu Is there any other way to reset settings or something? P.S. Tried in FF, Chrome and IE.
Thanks for the details with the screenshots etc we'll look at your issue tomorrow. I haven't seen this for anyone else.
On November 01 2013 09:28 Gamegene wrote: Oh btw, who should I PM if I want to move my thread (about an anime series) from the general section to the media section !
On November 01 2013 09:44 extropy wrote: Scanned through the comments so not sure if it was mentioned, but one of the things I really appreciate about this change is that it appears that the sidebars and main content area have been given ids (#main-left-sidebar, #main-content, #main-right-sidebar) in the html making it much easier for me to customize my stylish profile for Team Liquid. If these existed in the previous site design I couldn't seem to find them, but they are super obvious now. Thanks guys!
Those aren't new but quite a lot has been moved around and good old tables have been removed. I use a custom CSS too and, while it didn't break, it needs some work to look as good as before.
Congrats to the TL dev team and everybody who worked on that design update. Looks pretty good.
On November 01 2013 09:28 Gamegene wrote: Oh btw, who should I PM if I want to move my thread (about an anime series) from the general section to the media section !
It's likely you haven't set your "how far back in history do I go" setting for movies and entertainment above the default of 14 days yet. If you only have 1 or 2 pages of topics, turn it up and you should see your topic in the list.
On November 01 2013 09:28 Gamegene wrote: Oh btw, who should I PM if I want to move my thread (about an anime series) from the general section to the media section !
It's likely you haven't set your "how far back in history do I go" setting for movies and entertainment above the default of 14 days yet. If you only have 1 or 2 pages of topics, turn it up and you should see your topic in the list.
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
control panel, display, adjust cleartype text, it should be on for everyone, what is it for you?
Oh, I don't use ClearType it makes everything look fuzzy. It's ok, I'll replace all Open Sans fonts by Verdana, and it should be fine. Thanks!
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
control panel, display, adjust cleartype text, it should be on for everyone, what is it for you?
As I pointed out earlier, you will have this issue regardless. Chrome especially is notoriously bad at rendering fonts in comparison to IE for example, and this will not only be different by Browser but by OS version as well, and I personally wouldn't recommend using that light of a font at that size unless it is integral, which considering those headings aren't even in the same style as anything else on the site. You'd be better off changing them while you still can.
Some of this can be mitigated by doing some browser specific hacks using text-shadow, but it's sort of messy. Of course that example provided by the user above is an extreme and will be a relatively low percentage of users. But jagged rendering of light fonts is very common however.
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
As Nazgul mentions, this is a clear type not displaying properly.
Personally I hate clear type with burning passion, and would consider the way it looks on that screenshot a "lesser evil" to clear type. But I have found a solution to this. (For Opera users at least) Using an extension called Font replacement table It's possible to sort this thing out a little. In the extension options set replacement of "Open Sans" to "Verdana" (or any other font you like).
Overall I don't mind changes much, although i would revert to old style without blinking if i had the option. Progress demands sacrifice i guess :/ <3 TL still
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
As Nazgul mentions, this is a clear type not displaying properly.
Personally I hate clear type with burning passion, and would consider the way it looks on that screenshot a "lesser evil" to clear type. But I have found a solution to this. (For Opera users at least) Using an extension called Font replacement table It's possible to sort this thing out a little. In the extension options set replacement of "Open Sans" to "Verdana" (or any other font you like).
Overall I don't mind changes much, although i would revert to old style without blinking if i had the option. Progress demands sacrifice i guess :/ <3 TL still
Yep, cleartype really hurts my eyes, can't use it. Your extension works perfectly, thank you very much.
When I hover over a long title in the sidebar, it no longer shows me the full title in a tooltip anymore. That makes me sad. Otherwise the site looks nicer.
I really like this change to the bunker. I think it'll help a lot against the Viper picks we're seeing recently, because then goliaths can just hunker down and shoot that annoying flying manta ray
On November 01 2013 09:14 endy wrote: The changes are good. Just one detail, the font that is used in the title of each section and thread title is not standard and displays poorly (looks like some pixels are skipping, it's weird) The font name is "Open Sans" according to Firebug.
As Nazgul mentions, this is a clear type not displaying properly.
Personally I hate clear type with burning passion, and would consider the way it looks on that screenshot a "lesser evil" to clear type. But I have found a solution to this. (For Opera users at least) Using an extension called Font replacement table It's possible to sort this thing out a little. In the extension options set replacement of "Open Sans" to "Verdana" (or any other font you like).
Overall I don't mind changes much, although i would revert to old style without blinking if i had the option. Progress demands sacrifice i guess :/ <3 TL still
Yep, cleartype really hurts my eyes, can't use it. Your extension works perfectly, thank you very much.
I don't understand half of this but you guys are awesome.
On November 01 2013 10:37 thragar wrote: When I hover over a long title in the sidebar, it no longer shows me the full title in a tooltip anymore. That makes me sad. Otherwise the site looks nicer.
This will be looked into tomorrow. We've changed the way thread title length works. It used to be based on characters which allowed us to show the thread title for anything that went over a certain amount. Now we've switched to it being browser based on pixels. As far as I understand this means we either show title mouseover for everything or none. We're going to make a decision on which one it will be.
Thanks for letting us still keep the old sidebar ordering system. The new one just seems way too segmented for me. Having to look through 3 separate sections just to browse a single game's threads seems a bit much.
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
If you're wondering where are the changes, I changed the font of the block titles, removed the topic "folders icons" and the underlining on topic titles, and reduced the size of topic numbers infos.
On November 01 2013 10:37 thragar wrote: When I hover over a long title in the sidebar, it no longer shows me the full title in a tooltip anymore. That makes me sad. Otherwise the site looks nicer.
You can get it back with some dodgy css if you want. + Show Spoiler +
If you're wondering where are the changes, I changed the police of the block titles, removed the topic "folders icons" and the underlining on topic titles, and reduced the size of topic numbers infos.
The font change you made looks a lot better IMHO.
Great changes btw. I really like the new sections.
its cool, but I'm going to have to revert back the sidebars. Simply because now all this LoL stuff is showing up. Need a filter to remove it, specially considering its kinda its own thing now rather than 'Other'
On November 01 2013 11:55 MinscandBoo wrote: its cool, but I'm going to have to revert back the sidebars. Simply because now all this LoL stuff is showing up. Need a filter to remove it, specially considering its kinda its own thing now rather than 'Other'
You can remove all the LoL stuff. Go to the sidebar settings.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
It's good. My only complaint is that hovering over titles that don't fit no longer brings up the full title. It's good that more of them fit in full, but there are still a good number where it's unclear what the post is about without the full title.
Really nice changes overall, both aesthetically and functionally. Everyone uses the site differently so obviously it's going to be less optimal for some people, but in general I really like the rationale behind all the decisions made. For people who follow more than one of the main games, I think the new layout is particularly good.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
Filter "Other".
I'd like to keep Hearthstone though. :/ Not a big issue, just worth noting.
I mostly browse TL on my laptop... 1366 x 768 resolution, chrome.
Used to be able to do 125% zoom with only a tiny bit of the right sidebar not displayed; but now I'm forced to view in 110% zoom cuz LEFT SIDEBAR WHY U SO FAT
Much better organization of the games. I approve the scheme. Now if only we could put the streamers in their proper categories everything would be peachy.
The look is much better now... less contrast for the border colors and sidebar headers are tiny things but it makes the whole difference in the world...
Another thing I would change is the typography part... that Arial is pretty ugly for websites in my opinion (sorry for the harsh sincereness)... when it's tiny (like in the sidebars) is when it gets worse (letters too clumped up). If you insisit with Arial, you can adjust tracking manually with the letter-spacing css property. Well, maybe that (clumped up) is exactly what you want, since you added extra space to side bars, and my suggestion goes directly against it. But maybe other proportional font could achieve the same goal but with better readability and aesthetics.
Sorry for being that nitpicky, I just need some sleep
On November 01 2013 12:41 KuKri wrote: Yeah, LoL... how to delete my account?
You can filter it out. I've been filtering out Dota2 and Hearthstone for a long time now. (Well, ok. Hearthstone is only a short time. But I filtered it out right away.)
I actually love the sidebar changes, it makes the whole site so much more accessible in my mind. Also enjoy the rejiggering of the way games/event types are set up, I can just hide LoL and then have my Dota2 and SC2 tournies all in one place now!
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
Filter "Other".
I'd like to keep Hearthstone though. :/ Not a big issue, just worth noting.
On November 01 2013 12:28 F u r u y a wrote: The look is much better now... less contrast for the border colors and sidebar headers are tiny things but it makes the whole difference in the world...
Another thing I would change is the typography part... that Arial is pretty ugly for websites in my opinion (sorry for the harsh sincereness)... when it's tiny (like in the sidebars) is when it gets worse (letters too clumped up). If you insisit with Arial, you can adjust tracking manually with the letter-spacing css property. Well, maybe that (clumped up) is exactly what you want, since you added extra space to side bars, and my suggestion goes directly against it. But maybe other proportional font could achieve the same goal but with better readability and aesthetics.
Sorry for being that nitpicky, I just need some sleep
Letter-spacing for non-display/non-heading at that size isn't really practical in web design, because the issue is that only some browsers allow for sub-pixel letter-spacing. So the ones that don't will round it up to 1px, which is enormous, and a lot less readable. Although I agree there are type-faces which are a lot more readable at that size (f.e Verdana), they are typically wider.
Is the "clicking a section title takes you to the homepage rather than the first thing in that section" a bug or a feature? Please say bug, not being able to hit the big "other games" button and go to other games is really unintuitive, and mildly annoying.
Edit: other than that I approve of everything, that little thing has just got to be unintended though...
I dont like the seperation of the subforums from every game. I changed it back to the old style, so I can see everything SC2/Dota related in one block. BUT if I want to see the fanclubs/streams forum as well, I have to activate another block (games general), where the general forums of all the featured games are shown as well, which leads to showing the general forums of SC2, Dota2 and BW twice. So the new format is worse for me. The design I like - it is clean and fresh and minimal.
Really like how you can see the viewer numbers on the sidebar, and pretty much everything except the font you use as the headers, it looks really thin and slightly hard to read because of it, could you make all of the headers a bit more bold?
To be specific I am talking about news, tournaments, strategy and other such headers over a blue background, as well as the title headers for all of the threads.
I liked the old look better, but I have to admit that this one is clean and really slick looking. I think the old one is just a nostalgia thing though.
looks sick... however TL doesnt horizontally fit on my phone anymore samsung galaxy s2. Its just a minor inconvienence though I can upload some screencaptures if you like...
looks good! I haven't had a lot of time to really check if it turns out to be any better or worse but as a visitor of the (now) "community/sports" forum it seems like a good change.
Personally I think the old one was easier on the eye, new one feels much brighter with thinner font headlines, which is a bit more straining. Section changes I don't really care about, since I can still customize them to the old layout. :q
Looks fine to me! I am only searching the Diablo 3 subsection and the option to add SC2 section while I hide tournaments, strategy and have games general only display fan clubs and user streams.
Edit yes and as to the background, have you guys experimented with different colors? The white is starting to overpower the site.
I run a 1152x864 resolution on a shit comp screen at work and the new layout has meant that i now have to scroll right and left on the browser as it can't fit it all in ;_; Oh well guess i'll have to buy a screen for work not some square based crap
its an illogical change, because say, for sc2, general, tournament and strategy forums were all conveniently located in the same box, and all these forums are inextricably linked. you watch a guy play in a tournament, you discuss the results in general, you theorycraft about it in strategy. that is the logical flow.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
Filter "Other".
I'd like to keep Hearthstone though. :/ Not a big issue, just worth noting.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
Filter "Other".
I'd like to keep Hearthstone though. :/ Not a big issue, just worth noting.
On November 01 2013 11:02 Ghanburighan wrote: Another small bug:
If you have Starcraft 2 and Games General on the left sidebar, and you minimize "sc2 general" in one of them (it's redundantly displayed twice under that setup), then f5 minimizes the second one as well.
Noted.
On November 01 2013 11:03 althaz wrote: Looks WAY better...but I can't seem to filter out LoL?
Filter "Other".
I'd like to keep Hearthstone though. :/ Not a big issue, just worth noting.
I dislike this lemming dash to follow into "flatter is better" territory for visuals. But that said, it's clean and I could still fix my left sidebar to be the way I like it, so let's see where it goes.
(I'm not fan of the header fonts, but at least I can't complain about kerning. Because I deliberately avoid any knowledge about kerning.)
Okay I know myself and others have addressed the various "visual improvements" issues, but I haven't seen any official response yet? this is the new look + Show Spoiler +
I really think the borders around the posts should return, this new "light" border just gives no focus around the individual posts and makes it more difficult to read. Likewise the new blue headers draw the eye way too much to it, I think it should remain with Admin posts, but not the section headings. If this should go to the website feedback instead please let me know..
Looks nice! Softer, sleeker and more modern than before. One thing I'm missing is the little mouse-over pop-up with the full thread title when hovering over a thread title in the left sidebar (Firefox). The only way to read a long thread title is to actually open that thread.
On November 01 2013 21:03 Scorch wrote: Looks nice! Softer, sleeker and more modern than before. One thing I'm missing is the little mouse-over pop-up with the full thread title when hovering over a thread title in the left sidebar (Firefox). The only way to read a long thread title is to actually open that thread.
just what i wanted to post.... That would be really needed.
the first title trunkates a "slow", even though the title would be still shorter then the titel right below it and there is more then enough space to show the title. Right now it looks like they try to keep at least the middle 50% space of the line free between title and name, which looks plain silly with medium sized authornames
Even worse: Techno ... (is destroying education) at least the "is" would easily fit. Or: Heart Attac...(k!!!)
On November 01 2013 21:03 Scorch wrote: Looks nice! Softer, sleeker and more modern than before. One thing I'm missing is the little mouse-over pop-up with the full thread title when hovering over a thread title in the left sidebar (Firefox). The only way to read a long thread title is to actually open that thread.
On November 01 2013 22:04 R1CH wrote: Titles are now displayed on hover for long titles.
What's the reason Sports is under Community instead of Other Games? Other Games seem a more intuitive home for it. At least, that's where I was trying to look for it at first.
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
Under Settings, go to "revert to per-game sidebar blocks."
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
Under Settings, go to "revert to per-game sidebar blocks."
Well didnt help to that. I meant forums. I press forum and then I get news blabla but then starts tournaments, then general.
I want that it is like it used to be. sc2 general, then tournaments, then stategy. Next to each other.
Not like now tournaments (sc2,dota,lol) then general (sc2,dota,lol)
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
Under Settings, go to "revert to per-game sidebar blocks."
Well didnt help to that. I meant forums. I press forum and then I get news blabla but then starts tournaments, then general.
I want that it is like it used to be. sc2 general, then tournaments, then stategy. Next to each other.
Not like now tournaments (sc2,dota,lol) then general (sc2,dota,lol)
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
Under Settings, go to "revert to per-game sidebar blocks."
Well didnt help to that. I meant forums. I press forum and then I get news blabla but then starts tournaments, then general.
I want that it is like it used to be. sc2 general, then tournaments, then stategy. Next to each other.
Not like now tournaments (sc2,dota,lol) then general (sc2,dota,lol)
I can't go to sc2 forums with my phone with one click...If I want to go sc2 forums I need to press forum, then zoom, move my phone screen (if I miss zoom) and then press sc2 forum... its much faster just to press forum than sc2 forum
On November 01 2013 05:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Reorganization of esports forum blocks (previously SC2, Brood War, and Dota2) [list][*]The three separate forum blocks of "SC2, Brood War, and Dota2" have been broken up and reorganized under three new forum blocks called "Tournaments, Games General, and Strategy." The "Tournaments" block lists the Tournament forums for all games, "Games General" lists the general forums for all games, and so forth.
This is very bad change. I like much more that one game has one blocks. Is there way how I can use old?
Under Settings, go to "revert to per-game sidebar blocks."
Well didnt help to that. I meant forums. I press forum and then I get news blabla but then starts tournaments, then general.
I want that it is like it used to be. sc2 general, then tournaments, then stategy. Next to each other.
Not like now tournaments (sc2,dota,lol) then general (sc2,dota,lol)
I can't go to sc2 forums with my phone with one click...If I want to go sc2 forums I need to press forum, then zoom, move my phone screen (if I miss zoom) and then press sc2 forum... its much faster just to press forum than sc2 forum
So, i found out that if you have a block from "hidden blocks" (in my case Dota2) moved to active blocks, and you decide to hide the other General/Tournament tabs from the Games General/Tournaments section - it hides both of them, not the one you selected.
Any way to keep the other one hidden and the one you want to be shown, not hidden? Right now they aren't 'separate'.
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Have fun being stuck in the 90s I guess? Even mobile devices are widescreen now, dude. 4:3 displays are the minority now.
looks alot cleaner. I like the changes. Will have to get used to the new forum arrangement not by game (I know I can change it back, but want to give the new set up a shot).
I reverted to the old blocks, and I can't see fan clubs under community now on the sidebar, even if I make 1000% sure that I checked it off in the sidebar settings.
Also, The new light bars around the posts are pretty awful and just general bad website design for a forum. You need to highlight more the individual posts, it just looks plain bad now. The font and header colors for the sidebar on the left also look horrific-ly bad. They need some sort of gradient or SOMETHING, they just look awful and definitely worse than before.
Understandable changes with the sidebar block organization, but I'm assuming more core fans won't like it and reverse back, so it's nice you kept that ability. I like the new lengths and love the greyed out stream #s and other additional info
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Honestly this is your problem. You are the 1%. It's the same thing I tell ppl with 4:3 TVs when their movies and TV shows get cut off: move along with the times.
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Have fun being stuck in the 90s I guess? Even mobile devices are widescreen now, dude. 4:3 displays are the minority now.
4:3 monitors are still prevalent in many countries. And to be honest 4:3 is the superior way to view the 'vast' majority of websites over 16 : 9 as human reading doesn't really take advantage of the extra width naturally and thus most websites are still built vertically, like a page. And 4:3 is closer to a page than 16 : 9. If 16 : 9 made sense for browsing the internet there would be more webpages like the windows 8 home screen, the one that's really annoying with it's horizontal scrolling. I have many screens new and old and my favorite to browser the internet is a 4:3 monitor from like 2005.
Either way, it doesn't matter if it's only 1%. An update shouldn't make your site less accessible unless it's at the will of some revolutionary feature. And they could at least (without making the whole site responsive) fit it into 960px with some queries that only make the sidebars and header more narrow. And either way the issue isn't 4:3, it's a low screen resolution, which will happen to people on small laptops or netbooks as well, are those people stuck in the 90s?
On November 02 2013 02:58 ffadicted wrote:
Honestly this is your problem. You are the 1%. It's the same thing I tell ppl with 4:3 TVs when their movies and TV shows get cut off: move along with the times.
Either way, it doesn't matter if it's only 1%. An update shouldn't make your site less accessible unless it's at the will of some revolutionary feature. And they could at least (without making the whole site responsive) fit it into 960px with some queries that only make the sidebars and header more narrow. And either way the issue isn't 4:3, it's a low screen resolution, which will happen to people on small laptops or netbooks as well, are those people stuck in the 90s?
Netbooks are not meant to be full computers. They were crappy when they came out and are even more crappier now. You have to side scroll a bit, but hey you get good battery life and a small packaging for cheap. The site is only like 1200 pixels wide. The 1024x768 times are a really long time ago. No reason to handicap the website for that.
Either way, it doesn't matter if it's only 1%. An update shouldn't make your site less accessible unless it's at the will of some revolutionary feature. And they could at least (without making the whole site responsive) fit it into 960px with some queries that only make the sidebars and header more narrow. And either way the issue isn't 4:3, it's a low screen resolution, which will happen to people on small laptops or netbooks as well, are those people stuck in the 90s?
Netbooks are not meant to be full computers. They were crappy when they came out and are even more crappier now. You have to side scroll a bit, but hey you get good battery life and a small packaging for cheap. The site is only like 1200 pixels wide. The 1024x768 times are a really long time ago. No reason to handicap the website for that.
You don't need to handicap a website to make it accessible unless we're talking about advanced web applications which would have limitations based on browsers. You're handicapping a website by making it fixed width unless you're doing so for good reason, typically because the budget wouldn't allow for the amount of time to be spent to make a similar quality non fixed width site. It's still an indisputable negative to not support it, if it's worth the effort is another question.
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
What pixel resolution is the screen? 1280x1024? 1024x768?
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Thing is, a site has to move forward. Times change, peoples computers get better. It's 2013 now. 1024x768 resolutions where getting old 10 years ago.
It's like forever keeping 4x3 resolutions on televison broadcast when the big majority of viewers has a widescreen tv, at a certain time you have to move on.
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Thing is, a site has to move forward. Times change, peoples computers get better. It's 2013 now. 1024x768 resolutions where getting old 10 years ago.
It's like forever keeping 4x3 resolutions on televison broadcast when the big majority of viewers has a widescreen tv, at a certain time you have to move on.
Any chance that we could have the option of getting rid of the news section on the left sidebar? For me it's just a waste of space that means I have to scroll to see all the forums I have showing .
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
What pixel resolution is the screen? 1280x1024? 1024x768?
19'' 4:3 should be 1280x1024; at least my 4:3 19'' is.
Edit: Btw, I have not problems with the new site, even on my obviously not up to date monitor.
On November 01 2013 23:58 virpi wrote: well, I'm using a 19" 4:3 monitor and the change is absolutely terrible for me. the site is waaaay to broad now. If I zoom out to see everything, it naturally becomes unreadable. And no, I will not buy a widescreen monitor.
Thing is, a site has to move forward. Times change, peoples computers get better. It's 2013 now. 1024x768 resolutions where getting old 10 years ago.
It's like forever keeping 4x3 resolutions on televison broadcast when the big majority of viewers has a widescreen tv, at a certain time you have to move on.
I guess some responsive stuff will be added after the main site is established and confirmed to be working. In that case that would be like 10 minutes of work to widen the sidebars only when the screen is wider than x pixels. Keep your hopes up.
I like these changes, but i really feel that the "Community" tab should be placed at the top as it used to. I can't help but feeling that the General discussion forum is losing attention now that it is on the bottom of the site, rather than the top.
As an occasional mapmaker I don't like the fact that SC2 Maps and Custom Games is now hidden by default - now an already fairly inactive forum might become even more inactive.
I can't seem to get other games to appear on my sidebar. I have it selected (left hand column on customise) but it is crossed out there, as is every subforum of other games. Please advise.
TL becomes fatter with every update - i don't like this as is prefer surfing in a non-fullscreen browser window. I would like an option to customize the width of the page areas (since the last update a now once again got a horizontal scrollbar on TL).
Meh, Ive tried to give these changes to the right side organization a few days to get used to but ive decided that its jsut pretty terrible. Cant really customize it either because every time i close my browser at work it resets my history and cookeis or whatever and back to default. For real, I dont know why Tl thinks I would be in the least bit interested in dota tournaments or strategies or whatever. I liked being able to jus look left and see the starcraft 2 section at the top and being able to quickly browse through current thread of all types for the game. meh meh
Mobile version doesn't work for me. Text appears on the left hand of the screen but the text boxes and posts continue far beyond where the text goes to a new line.
I am not sure why you put Fanclubs and Userstreams to "Games General". I use the old format and now with "Games General" block I see threads two times (threads from Starcaft 2 general are in "Starcraft 2" block and in "Games General" block).
edit: Where are fanclubs and userstreams if I only use the old format?
With the addition of Smash, I was checking my sidebar settings to make sure i didn't miss anything related to it. I then realized some of the options are striked out. Even if I check them, they won't appear in my feed. Is there a reason to this? Happens in the left sidebar as much as in the right one. + Show Spoiler +
I would like to have access to the smash threads on my homepage Thanks!
On March 19 2014 09:57 JBright wrote: You've probably taken out other games with the filter.
Oh my god took me forever to find out. I had absolutely forgotten that you could click those buttons to hide/show it's content... Thanks! It was indeed disabled.
EPT
I like it though.
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