As part of our continued efforts to improve TeamLiquid.net and provide better content for our users, we have revamped our front page considerably. The main focus of this redesign was to make news articles more visible, easier to navigate, and allow us focus on providing more up to date coverage on ESPORTS.
Front Page Arrangement: We've moved Community News and Headlines to a more prominent position in the top right. We've also added a "TL Articles" section, which will be an archive of all news articles written by TL writers.
Front Page Coverage Box: We will now have a box that applies to the most recent event with links to a variety of informative articles and resources. This space will be used to keep our coverage more up to date and comprehensive, instead of just having it link to one big aggregation article.
Latest Results: This is an entirely new front page feature. It is a frequently updated section where we show links to Liquipedia for all of the latest tournament, to provide a quick and easy solution for people looking to catch up on results.
Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
We've always envisioned our site as a place where we can have live, up to date news. We want fans to come to our site and see a player holding a trophy with an appropriate headline. This is the future of coverage and where we've always wanted to be as a coverage site. We began as a site during a time with no live streams and everyone read news to see who won last night. Even as technology advanced, the time zone difference made it impractical to watch live for all but the most dedicated fans. But with the SC2 boom, there are plenty of NA and EU events in appropriate time zones. Although many fans still use VODs, live viewing is now the norm. Professional StarCraft 2 resembles live, mainstream sports for most of its fans, and we believe it's finally time to provide fast, up to date coverage on events as they unfold.
1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
2. Register an account and collapse the forums (typically SC2 and SC2 Tournaments) that will have spoilers in their thread titles.
Fast event coverage: We will be recapping all events as they happen live. The game descriptions will be generic and not super in depth, but there will be recaps that let you follow the tournament beyond just scores even if you are not watching the stream.
We will also be putting up headlines and images as the events happen as well. If Nestea wins MLG, you will see a photo of him holding the trophy and an appropriate headline hopefully within minutes of the tournament concluding.
We'll be going live with these changes starting this weekend, with ASUS ROG in just four hours and MLG in less than 24. Hopefully with these changes we can provide a much more enriching and enjoyable experience for all StarCraft fans.
I gotta say i disagree with the directions of no spoilers and generic descriptions. What sets apart all the article on Tl is that they are not generic, u guys have amazing writers give them time and space and they will produce incredible articles no need to rush content.
As a new member to the site, I only have one request, which is to make the Forums more user friendly. It's pretty hard to find threads, and it would be a lot better if there was a real dedicated forum. I feel like this model were commenting is easy is great, but the layout of forums is just a little confusing and hard to sort through.
The spoiler policy had seen its golden days. A bit sad to see this very unique feature of TL go away, but the industry has moved on. Keeping it just hold us back.
On February 24 2012 14:46 Darkren wrote: I gotta say i disagree with the directions of no spoilers and generic descriptions. What sets apart all the article on Tl is that they are not generic, u guys have amazing writers give them time and space and they will produce incredible articles no need to rush content.
Anyway good luck with everything.
I would expect for there to be in depth articles which come out eventually, given that there is something interesting to talk about.
WOW, this is so cool, and thank you for removing spoiler policy, it just makes things easier, plus I can't wait for faster news :D Looking forward to this weekend even more now!
On February 24 2012 14:48 VokeLP wrote: As a new member to the site, I only have one request, which is to make the Forums more user friendly. It's pretty hard to find threads, and it would be a lot better if there was a real dedicated forum. I feel like this model were commenting is easy is great, but the layout of forums is just a little confusing and hard to sort through.
I can agree with that, the forums on TL could be improved. I'm used to them but they are not very easy to navigate and the layout isn't that great imho. Like you say a dedicated forum section would probably be good.
On February 24 2012 14:40 gladsheim wrote: When i scorll over the names of recent posted news, the main article on the page stays the same, is this interntional?
Click on the picture, that will bring up the image in the box and the associated links.
On February 24 2012 14:48 VokeLP wrote: As a new member to the site, I only have one request, which is to make the Forums more user friendly. It's pretty hard to find threads, and it would be a lot better if there was a real dedicated forum. I feel like this model were commenting is easy is great, but the layout of forums is just a little confusing and hard to sort through.
I can agree with that, the forums on TL could be improved. I'm used to them but they are not very easy to navigate and the layout isn't that great imho. Like you say a dedicated forum section would probably be good.
Please post these comments in website feedback, this isn't a good place for these ideas to be heard.
Thanks for offering the functionality to continue hiding spoilers. Without that, honestly, I'd just have to not visit TL unless there was absolutely nothing I hadn't already seen that I wanted to. I know people like to call us whiners, but I REALLY enjoy not knowing the winner of a match before watching it. I also can't keep up with all games I want to see the moment they've been played because I have a busy life with a full time job, and in my few minutes of free time here and there I like to visit this site (d3 forums, sc2 strat forums, whatever I feel like reading at the moment). I hope you continue to see the value in giving the option to hide spoilers for those of us who appreciate it <3
On February 24 2012 14:43 MountainGoat wrote: Yes! The spoiler whiners lose! The war is over!
I wouldn't view it as that, rather now both sides win since those who want to avoid spoilers can, and those who don't get what they want.
Is there a way for those of us who dislike the new frontpage and would like the old one back to win? I mean, this might actually drive me to the BW-only format, which I've been trying to resist.
On February 24 2012 14:54 Primadog wrote: What's difficult to navigate of the TL forums? Seems very utilitarian if a bit spartan.
It has a learning curve. I remember when I was more of a lurker I thought that it was difficult to navigate. But now that I've been here for almost a year (one year tomorrow!) its super easy.
Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments
On February 24 2012 14:40 gladsheim wrote: When i scorll over the names of recent posted news, the main article on the page stays the same, is this interntional?
Click on the picture, that will bring up the image in the box and the associated links.
I like that it doesn't change on mouseover anymore. I don't know how many times I think there's a new article about something (usually a multi-day event where multiple featured posts might be posted) when it's just my mouse cursor that just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when I loaded TL and it's moused over an old article. :-)
How can I make sure that the 'hide spoilers' box will always be checked when I visit TL? I am quite infuriated that you have removed the spoilers policy in SC2. I guess I will simply have to bookmark spoiler free VOD pages from now on. It will be impossible to follow GOMTV tournaments now with you guys bombarding me with spoilers. With tournaments going on around the clock the last thing I want is spoilers popping up all the time. If you guys want to present SC2 ESPORTS in this manner why can't you just start your own website and give Team Liquid back to the rest of us!
The change is for the good and was inevitable anyway. It was nice to have a spoiler-free place for those of us who didn't have the opportunity to watch the games live but we can't have everything.
I'm only disappointed that all those whose thinking goes in the line of this
On February 24 2012 14:43 MountainGoat wrote: Yes! The spoiler whiners lose! The war is over!
got it their way but that's another inevitable part of the expansion of the scene as well.
YES. Soooo glad the spoiler policy is over, it always seemed like TL transformed into such a ghost-town around tournament time despite more active users than ever, largely because of the old archaic spoiler policy. I'm so glad TL changed their view on this and was able to do so while STILL giving a nice alternative to those that felt differently.
Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
Best thing you guys could've done for eSports!!! :D
Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
Wow, I've been waiting so long for it, it's finally here! Great job TL!
I for on embrace our new overlords the spoiler free style. As much as spoilers mean you know the outcome, it can be very interesting to see how things happened even after learning who won.
Plus, maybe it'll get some people to be less lazy about watching stuff in vods instead of live.
I am glad I got my PPV pass now, I can spoil matches in related threads and not get punished for it(Not that I have ever spoiled anything before).
Glad to see this change just for SC2, since there is too many tournaments to care about spoilers anyway. BW should hopefully stick with it's policy forever!
Is there some delay on the working checkbox? Hide spoilers checkbox does nothing to the sidebar for me...great description though! I appreciate that there was thought given to those of us who hate the spoilers.
Nice change. Its probably necessary with everything becoming live and all. The only opposition I would have is if the headlines for GSL results pop out immediately in the headlines (as in who won on the headlines), otherwise I'm fine with it.
On February 24 2012 14:54 Primadog wrote: What's difficult to navigate of the TL forums? Seems very utilitarian if a bit spartan.
It has a learning curve. I remember when I was more of a lurker I thought that it was difficult to navigate. But now that I've been here for almost a year (one year tomorrow!) its super easy.
I've been around for maybe a little more than a year and I still can't figure out how to make a goddamn thread. I probably should have asked ages ago though.
Also love the new spoiler policy; it just didn't make sense. If you these days don't want to be spoiled on anything then you just shouldn't visit websites that are focused on said thing. It would be the same as not wanting to see people buying candy and then deciding to deliberatly walk into a candy store.
The latest results box is an awesome addition as well.
The only thing I don't like about the new layout is that I now have to scroll down to see the Community Spotlight. I would like to have that take the spot of the store but I can see the commercial reasons why the Store is at that spot. :p I would personally have liked it though if the Store would have the spot of the Calendar (at the top of the right sidebar) and then everything else being bumped down a bit).
Consider moving the store from the left side to the right side? I like Spotlights more than I like latest results, and it looks a little weird currently.
Even as technology advanced, the time zone difference made it impractical to watch live for all but the most dedicated fans. But with the SC2 boom, there are plenty of NA and EU events in appropriate time zones. Although many fans still use VODs, live viewing is now the norm. Professional StarCraft 2 resembles live, mainstream sports for most of its fans, and we believe it's finally time to provide fast, up to date coverage on events as they unfold.
But doesn't the GSL still have the same time zone problem you said was the reason for the spoiler policy in broodwar? Are you sure that live viewing is the norm for the GSL and that spoilers for that one specifically are fine now?
On February 24 2012 14:43 MountainGoat wrote: Yes! The spoiler whiners lose! The war is over!
I wouldn't view it as that, rather now both sides win since those who want to avoid spoilers can, and those who don't get what they want.
Yes but now the onus is on the spoiler people to hide headlines, rather than the rest of us to have to go to liquipedia to find out results. I wholeheartedly approve of this.
New layout looks fantastic, especially a fan of the little recent results portion; gone are the days of hunting the SC2 tourney section for threads to find out who won while I was asleep or otherwise away in some form.
Don't particularly like the new front page or the new spoiler policy. E-sports are in as many ways different from sports than they are similar. How they're consumed is one of those differences. Thats evidenced by the need to still stifle spoilers of games played yet not aired, something very improbable in real sports and inconceivable in real sports journalism (you will get up-to-date results on a news broadcast or website of a sporting event that is still being broadcast on its official channels).
I hope this works, considering all the people who will start new threads as soon as a match is over. I don't want TL becoming Reddit 2.0. Please don't lull me into a false sense of security with that checkbox, only to have 23 unspoilered threads pop up before mods can close them...
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but it's slightly buggy for me. I tried left-clicking on the ASUS ROG Winter 2012 - RO32 Preview article on the frontpage and it both opened a new tab for me and redirected me to that article on the tab I was on.
I'm not sure if I like the spoiler changes yet, I don't and can't watch the GSL live and instead watch it on Vod's with a friend about 6 hours after they usually finish (6pm GMT). Lasnight I accidentally and stupidly looked at /r/starcraft and the very first 3-5 words I read were a complete spoiler for the 2nd GSL ro4 match yesterday, the DRG vs Gumiho game. That was a terribly lame spoiler.
It seems I have to cross TL off my no-go list until I've seen the vods now? I quite often check the SC2 general forum.
I'm sorry Team Liquid but live viewing is NOT the norm! If you think it is you need to create another website. I do not understand where you got the idea that live viewing IS the norm. In the sports world, yes, live viewing is the norm but that simply isn't the case when it comes to SC2. Especially when there are live SC2 tournaments running around the clock. We simply cannot watch them all and with you spoiling the important ones it is simply ruining SC2 ESPORTS. I feel like you guys are simply catering to the casual and/or non SC2 fan and fucking in the ass the ones that have been following the scene religiously since the beta.
What about games which are aired in the US for example and have a rebroadcast the next day on a decent time for europeans. Are those going to be spoiled on the frontpage? In that case I will check the no spoiler box.
We've always envisioned our site as a place where we can have live, up to date news. We want fans to come to our site and see a player holding a trophy with an appropriate headline.
Yes!! I agree with this sentiment very much. I think it will bring a better sense of excitement, hype and reward to the scene. Being a big sports guy, I've always loved the instant reactions you see on the television and on the newspapers. Even when I already know the results, it feels good to see it recognized and discussed so quickly. Can't wait to see these changes go into action
I cannot agree more with the new spoiler policy ! Even if we didn't see the match, it will feel good going to TL and feel the suspens during the 2 second it takes for the front page to load ! :p
Meh, underwhelmed about the spoiler policy. We will see how it goes. I will still check in like normal with that no spoiler box checked and i guess we will see how much spoiler there is even with it checked. I always found it so easy to go find results, never really felt it was a big deal.
Live report thread always did it for me to get out my happiness/sadness about a win or lose. Personally i rarely watch live because i have things going on. Cant be at the computer watching live stream sc2 at all hours of the day/night with how much stuff goes on, not to mention real life things.
Hopefully it works out, and hopefully you guys still do in-depth good articles and dont just do the dinky, live report stuff that gets done on twitter/LR thread, cuz the articles are really good.
As far as the new look is concerned and all the other stuff, A+ i like it ^__^
I remember when this was discussed on SOTG and I thought that it was a great idea. Good to see it implemented aswell. Nice change that will help esports grow.
I love the "Latest Results". Each morning I have to search for last nights nast/ipl game with 3 active threads at the same time while not remembering which games I already know the results of. Thank you TL!
It's a shame you guys didn't set up an option for SC2 General to pick up [s] tags in the title and block out those threads. I guess it'd require a lot of effort for topic creators to use the tags though. Either way it doesn't affect me since I always watch GSL live so I won't complain.
On February 24 2012 18:06 onedayclose wrote: I'm sorry Team Liquid but live viewing is NOT the norm! If you think it is you need to create another website. I do not understand where you got the idea that live viewing IS the norm. In the sports world, yes, live viewing is the norm but that simply isn't the case when it comes to SC2. Especially when there are live SC2 tournaments running around the clock. We simply cannot watch them all and with you spoiling the important ones it is simply ruining SC2 ESPORTS. I feel like you guys are simply catering to the casual and/or non SC2 fan and fucking in the ass the ones that have been following the scene religiously since the beta.
You know you can scroll down the homepage and check a box to "hide spoilers"?
Sorry but if you don't want to know results of an event that's happening/has happened why are you actively browsing a site who has one of its three main tenets as "Starcraft Progaming News". This inability to deal with news being updated as it happens is crazy, big esports news sites should always be reporting results as fast as possible, if you don't want to know something don't visit till you can watch the VODs.
On February 24 2012 18:06 onedayclose wrote: I'm sorry Team Liquid but live viewing is NOT the norm! If you think it is you need to create another website. I do not understand where you got the idea that live viewing IS the norm. In the sports world, yes, live viewing is the norm but that simply isn't the case when it comes to SC2. Especially when there are live SC2 tournaments running around the clock. We simply cannot watch them all and with you spoiling the important ones it is simply ruining SC2 ESPORTS. I feel like you guys are simply catering to the casual and/or non SC2 fan and fucking in the ass the ones that have been following the scene religiously since the beta.
Loving the changes. Especially the spoilers policy =)
Hopefully now great news can be celebrated with much fanfare and it's easier for many visitors to be aware of many things.
I was so busy with work the past few weeks. I still visited TL out of habit and reflex but had no time to read threads in detail and i was totally unaware that I missed DRG's epic comeback. or that even GSL final is near.
I don't like it. Always liked the decency and calmness of the frontpage. It was never really flashy and stuff. But calm, nice and didn't look so attention-seeking. I also don't like the Store window above the spotlights...
Spoilers were another thing that reminded everyone to think before posting. So I also don't like this change. But who knows, maybe I just don't like change...
On February 24 2012 14:43 MountainGoat wrote: Yes! The spoiler whiners lose! The war is over!
I wouldn't view it as that, rather now both sides win since those who want to avoid spoilers can, and those who don't get what they want.
Avoiding spoilers involves removing major sections of the site. I'm sure this is the right move for TL but let's not pretend this is a win-win situation. As a european with a job, TL will become a lot less useful to me.
This is EXACTLY what I'd been wanting from some starcraft 2 site. Props to you gives for giving quick updates, I love it! I hate the spoilers, it just gets out of hand.
Thanks a lot for the "Hide spoilers" button.The reason i do not visit reddit is because it is full of spoilers and i usually watch gsl or other tournaments 4-5 days later.
awesome, awesome, awesome. the TL front page now looks like the espn of e-sports. seems like the designers definitely took inspiration from sports sites. good job, now i can actually see what is happening in tournaments i don't care about.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
I will accept this compromise with open arms.
this option was exactly what i asked for when this debate first came up, since they managed to do it im 100% happy with the change, spoilers never bothered me but i am aware that a lot of people like to watch the vods and not know the result so i think everyone should be happy with the changes.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
I will accept this compromise with open arms.
If I understand it correctly the Hide spoilers function will only work on the News sections, there will still be spoiler titles in the SC2 sections, which is why you'd need to hide those sections alltogether to avoid spoilers.
On February 24 2012 21:20 Chenz wrote: The new design is nice, but most importantly I'm glad to see the spoiler policy changed. Good moves.
of course this means that after or during every major event we will have billions of threads popping up discussing shit that with the spoiler policy would only be limited to the LR thread.
I have more problems with this more than the news section.
I still don't really see what the big deal was with not spoiling things. Is it really that hard to leave winners out of titles and have spoiler warnings in threads? I know I'm the minority but the only event in prime time for me is GSL and everything else has to come from VODs. I just don't get why it's such a hassle for everyone.
On February 24 2012 21:28 Ruscour wrote: I still don't really see what the big deal was with not spoiling things. Is it really that hard to leave winners out of titles and have spoiler warnings in threads? I know I'm the minority but the only event in prime time for me is GSL and everything else has to come from VODs. I just don't get why it's such a hassle for everyone.
Because you are in the minority. Winners in titles and spoiler warnings and no spoiler images hurts the experience of more people than it helps.
Especially when you can still avoid spoilers by taking the steps suggested in the OP. The question could be turned around on you, in that why is it a big deal to hit the spoiler check box and minimize the forum topics for a few hours before you watched VODs? Why force everyone else to conform to the minority convenience when people who care about spoilers can just take some steps too?
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
I will accept this compromise with open arms.
If I understand it correctly the Hide spoilers function will only work on the News sections, there will still be spoiler titles in the SC2 sections, which is why you'd need to hide those sections alltogether to avoid spoilers.
Correct. Hide them, watch the VODs, then open them.
ACK! I can no longer see the front page at work... all I get is the picture, in a big empty box with the appropriate side bars. How the hell am I supposed to slack off at work while trolling TL threads now?!?
Hopefully it looks amazing on my home computer. (Which is not encumbered by running an ancient version of IE and horrific bloatware through a massively firewalled internal network. TBFH, I'm surprised TL.net doesn't twig the numerous web filters they use.)
Love it. Blizzard may have screwed up Battle.net but Teamliquid just keeps getting better. I probably would have completely stopped caring about SC2 at this point if it wasn't for TL.
Listening to the majority was the right thing to do instead of holding back for the 7%. Anyway you guys used a way to still use a spoilerless frontpage, great. Good job TL !
At first I was a bit unhappy that spoilers were going to be in titles, which makes it hard to even use the "I'll just avoid the thread about the event until I see the game" tactic against spoilers. Then I see this little gem in spoilers (ironic? spoilerception?): + Show Spoiler +
1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
2. Register an account and collapse the forums (typically SC2 and SC2 Tournaments) that will have spoilers in their thread titles.
And I'm so happy. Just goes to show how professionally some things here are handled. I don't like being a suck up but I really have to hand it to TL on this one. Well done! Great changes. ^^
One thing you didn't mention: is there a way to go to current streams/calendar without ever browsing the main part of team liquid at all? Pisses me off I can't browse TL anymore while I watch streams.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
I will accept this compromise with open arms.
If I understand it correctly the Hide spoilers function will only work on the News sections, there will still be spoiler titles in the SC2 sections, which is why you'd need to hide those sections alltogether to avoid spoilers.
Correct. Hide them, watch the VODs, then open them.
The issue with that is that the Sc2 Tourneys section is where I would go to find out what tournaments are happening and find links to the VoDs.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: 1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
This does not hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, which also cannot be minimized like other forums.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Spoiler Policy: We're removing our spoiler policy for StarCraft 2 news. That means news threads and forum threads can now have spoilers in the title and spoilers in the comments, though posters will still have to stay on topic (i.e. don't post about GSL in an NASL thread). Brood War news and forums will remain on the old spoiler policy.
I don't like spoiler in thread titles. I always have to watch GSL VODs because I have to go to school during the broadcast time.
in the front page of TL at the bottom left you will see a small check mark to hide spoilers,this also makes sure that the thread title does not reveal anything.
I will accept this compromise with open arms.
If I understand it correctly the Hide spoilers function will only work on the News sections, there will still be spoiler titles in the SC2 sections, which is why you'd need to hide those sections alltogether to avoid spoilers.
Correct. Hide them, watch the VODs, then open them.
The issue with that is that the Sc2 Tourneys section is where I would go to find out what tournaments are happening and find links to the VoDs.
I recommend using a site other than TL to find vods. Go directly to the tourney site, as annoying as those websites are. Fact of the matter is, you'll just have to cut TL out the process for a lot of things to avoid spoilers.
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: 1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
This does not hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, which also cannot be minimized like other forums.
Pretty sure it will hide any Articles that the staff tags as spoilers, but not every article
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: 1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
This does not hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, which also cannot be minimized like other forums.
Why would you need to completely hide the sidebars when all threads with spoilers in titles would be hidden if you check the box?
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: 1. Check the box at the bottom left of the front page, "hide spoilers." This will hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, as well as hide any titles with spoilers on the front page, whether in images or in the TL articles or the Community News and Headlines section.
This does not hide the Featured News and Community News sidebars, which also cannot be minimized like other forums.
Why would you need to completely hide the sidebars when all threads with spoilers in titles would be hidden if you check the box?
I don't understand.
Just a typo in the OP, it says those sidebars will be hidden when I'm sure it's meant to say the spoiler threads in those sidebars will be hidden.
Community headlines can now have more than 4 articles or news headlines at a time. Awesome, and with dates so you can stay on top of everything. Love these changes.
I know you guys need the store but having the store next to news articles does not make as much sense as having the spotlights. Maybe you could switch the store and spotlight position. Just a minor nitpick.
On February 24 2012 23:06 disciple wrote: ^ whats the problem with that
I don't know why but having a spotlight next to articles just seems to make sense to me. Maybe because both are threads/ articles whereas the store box is a picture, and i use the store button on the toolbar thingy. Everything else is fine except that 1 minor nitpick.
I can't say I'm happy to see the spoiler change, but it did seem inevitable. I checked the box, hopefully the flood to post the winner's name isn't too big. The front page looks really nice.
At my work computer - the front page continuously glitches out and goes blank, barring the two original pictures that are loaded. Everything else disappears?
Getting used to it, seems nice but my natural inclination to be annoyed at change is still in effect. Love the spoiler policy change for certain though.
Just drop in and say awesome. Normally I bookmark SC2 gerneral forum because the frontpage was like dead space to me, nothing useful there, but now you can get all your information of ongoing tournament easily, I just bookmark the frontpage again.
There's something really wrong about the spoiler changes. It's simply impossible to avoid them now despite what is claimed. I don't mind jumping the home page and going directly in the forums, where most of the time we spend on TL is focused on. The problem is that the titles in the Starcraft 2 section will now contain spoilers, which is honestly retarded.
I understand the tournament section could have spoilers, but when I wand to just come and discuss some general sc2 topics, I don't want to have results being spoiled in the threads titles. If you kept the old policy for this particular forum, I wouldn't mind the changes, but as it is, I'm very disappointed and I'll probably not visit TL much anymore (just like reddit starcraft) except when I get up to date with all the vods I care about, which is about 3-4 days per month usually. If there was another alternative site to go to, I would, but TL is clearly the only one worth going to, or at least was...
What's great about this is that GSL apparently is in a better timezone and much easier to catch live than the BW tournaments were. You learn something new every day yay!
On February 25 2012 01:45 jarhead271 wrote: YES! I've been hoping to see something like this for so long. I remember the poll-thread on spoilers way back. Glad TL listened.
That poll was about live results on the front page, it had nothing to do with the spoiler policy in the forums.
Very nice look to it, easy to find everything and I like the new spoilers options. Only thing I would change would be to remove the drop-down login box, not really a big deal but it would be nice if I didn't have to =P
On February 25 2012 01:45 jarhead271 wrote: YES! I've been hoping to see something like this for so long. I remember the poll-thread on spoilers way back. Glad TL listened.
That poll was about live results on the front page, it had nothing to do with the spoiler policy in the forums.
I agree, that's very different.... now there's no spoiler-free place on TL (except irrelevent forums I suppose).
At least don't allow spoilers in the title of threads in the starcraft 2 section!
this is awesome, ive been out for the last couple of hours and wanted to get hte results from the ASUS ROG tourney was like eyyyy i gotta click every where....oh wait TL just updated theyre site and Its BAM right there main page all the headlines with a link to more coverage...GREAT GUYS I LOVE IT! this is always what i wanted when i set TL as my homepage the ESPN of SC2, instead of a new main page article every couple of day or just during Big Tourneys well have trackers right there.
Very Impressed. Now if my Jersey would just come in.
Some great changes. What I'd personally find interesting is if you are planning to be more of a medium in the sense that you'll start taking positions on certain issues instead of just being platform for them?
On February 25 2012 02:23 FlyingDJ wrote: Some great changes. What I'd personally find interesting is if you are planning to be more of a medium in the sense that you'll start taking positions on certain issues instead of just being platform for them?
Well... that's clearly what TL has been doing in the past few days, especially regarding the MLG+calendar fiasco. What worries me though is that TL is not being very clear about it all and instead seems to manipulate the mob, presenting the facts just as they know the majority wants to see them. It is also working incredibly well I must say. As they say though, TL site, TL rules... It's just kinda disappointing imho.
On February 25 2012 02:23 FlyingDJ wrote: Some great changes. What I'd personally find interesting is if you are planning to be more of a medium in the sense that you'll start taking positions on certain issues instead of just being platform for them?
Well... that's clearly what TL has been doing in the past few days, especially regarding the MLG+calendar fiasco. What worries me though is that TL is not being very clear about it all and instead seems to manipulate the mob, presenting the facts just as they know the majority wants to see them. It is also working incredibly well I must say. As they say though, TL site, TL rules... It's just kinda disappointing imho.
If you don't like how things are done at tl you an just go back to reddit. they arn't "manipulating the mob" they're presenting the facts that they should and not partaking in silly pointless drama. Its how tl has always operated and its how it should. if you looked at the facts and where people came from the tl calender situation made complete sense. stop trying to find drama
The front page seems really clumped together but I like the direction that its going. I wonder if the site is going to stay like this or if this is just event style covereage mode like what mlg does.
So glad to see the spoiler policy changed! Going on ESPN's website is exciting because they have news about the sporting games that were played. Now TL will be the same way!
not interested in the new policy. I will be turning off front page and also I don't want to be reading GSL spoilers in the topic titles in SC2. annoyed about this
I have one complaint about the new frontpage news thing. Would be cool if the news pictures were links that you could middle mouse button click them to new tab. It's not a major thing but it would make things easier for me at least :D
This will be good, TL is the best portal for SC and the current events and spoilers issues were becoming a weak point. Good to see this being addressed. One thought: does something along the lines of spoiler free reddit (reddit.com/r/spoilerfreesc) exist for TL? If so can anyone plug it or if not this would be a good thing to see.
love this move. The frontpage looks great and very similar to ESPN.com, which I like. and the spoiler policy change is great as well. Really the only thing holding this site back from being the ESPN of SC2 is the affiliation to TL (the actual team). BUt even still they try and be unbiased and its not that big of a deal. Also a high majority of the comments are in favor of it, which I think is pretty cool too
Thanks for the thorough update on the policy and the option to hide spoilers. I agree that this is the right direction to the extent that we want SC2 to be accepted as a legitimate sport. I will opt for the no spoiler option, however, as I like to take in news on my own terms.
Wow, not following the MLG tournament closely, it's awesome to just be able to come to the TL homepage and see that Demuslim took down Nestea without having to dig through 50 pages of posts to find this type of content.
so whats the deal? Now I cannot even open up any SC2 thread without getting spoiled? So far I haven't seen the website block photos that would include spoilers. Can I count on this soon? I have checked the box and hidden both SC2 and SC2 tournament fourms. (which basically means I can no longer view the fourms without results being spoiled.)
On February 25 2012 11:59 onedayclose wrote: so whats the deal? Now I cannot even open up any SC2 thread without getting spoiled? So far I haven't seen the website block photos that would include spoilers. Can I count on this soon? I have checked the box and hidden both SC2 and SC2 tournament fourms. (which basically means I can no longer view the fourms without results being spoiled.)
When you tick hide spoiler on the frontpage you can see the images of the MLG/ROG news change to something neutral, as well as the titles. Does that work for you?
On February 25 2012 11:59 onedayclose wrote: so whats the deal? Now I cannot even open up any SC2 thread without getting spoiled? So far I haven't seen the website block photos that would include spoilers. Can I count on this soon? I have checked the box and hidden both SC2 and SC2 tournament fourms. (which basically means I can no longer view the fourms without results being spoiled.)
Did you read the part about the anti spoiler thing?
I like everything except how you have spoilers as the big headline image, especially so soon after a game ends. You had Demuslim's win over Nestea in what seemed like minutes after it finished. This gives people no time to watch VODs if that's what their plan was and if they don't want to get spoiled, well, they can't visit TL's homepage :/
On February 25 2012 11:59 onedayclose wrote: so whats the deal? Now I cannot even open up any SC2 thread without getting spoiled? So far I haven't seen the website block photos that would include spoilers. Can I count on this soon? I have checked the box and hidden both SC2 and SC2 tournament fourms. (which basically means I can no longer view the fourms without results being spoiled.)
When you tick hide spoiler on the frontpage you can see the images of the MLG/ROG news change to something neutral, as well as the titles. Does that work for you?
Ok, that works for me Thanks for including it, although it was a bit hard to find...but I found it! And clicked it!
On February 25 2012 17:02 xOff wrote: Personally I LOVE the new way we've given up on spoilers. Its really awesome to click TL in my favorites and be greeted by "RET BEATS MVP".
Whoever finally decided on that, which i've wanted forever, Props to you <3
Yeah I always thought it was really, REALLY silly to have a site devoted to StarCraft that is afraid of giving StarCraft news. Imagine NFL.com waited until Tuesday to post the results of its games? This setup is so much better.
Great success - the front page has come to life ! Love it - love your decision to firmly take a 'news' stance > it's very hard to discuss matches that are happening or have just happened in any meaningful way if you have to keep spoilering every hint to the result. I visit the site every couple of hours usually - and since the re-jig it's been great to always have new articles to read, easy to find. +1
This is so much more awesome. I always thought the reason TL articles always came out days late was because the writers were lazy. Turns out it was only because of this spoiler nonsense. What a dramatic difference, I feel so much more updated.
I find it weird that I can see the latest results from MLG on the frontpage but I can't find the schedule anywhere on the calendar because it's PPV... Doesn't make much sense to me.
Thank you. Big fan. I never understood the whine around spoilers anyway. It something has been played, post the results. If you know who won and the games were good, you watch them anyway. If the games are bad and you know the results, you dont watch them.
Wonderful new policy, I like being able to just check TL's front page to see what's happened recently, just like I would ESPN for the winner of any other sport.
Thanks for the good updates on the many tournaments guys ( especially Asus and MLG).
Been busy and unable to follow tournaments closely but it's so easy now to see the important storylines and how things develop during a tournament. Prevously, we have to scour through specific pages in the massive LR thread.
And how ironic is that when we finally publicly celebrate achievements and results, Polt shines through lol.
I can't say how much better my weekend is because of the new spoiler policy! I'm stuck in the library doing work all Saturday and Sunday, but now I can get some excitement and stay up to date on events just by heading here! Thanks guys!
I really like the changes! However everytime i look at the frontpage i think how much better it would look if the Community News & Headlines articles didnt have the "-" in front of them. It seems really out of place, and looks bad.
There were many times I wanted to make a post about an interesting build or situation in a GSL match but was unable to do so because of the spoiler policy. 24 hours later, I then was too lazy to do so!
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Fast event coverage: We will be recapping all events as they happen live. The game descriptions will be generic and not super in depth, but there will be recaps that let you follow the tournament beyond just scores even if you are not watching the stream.
We will also be putting up headlines and images as the events happen as well.
i have to congratulate tl for this ! coverage this weekend is so very well done (and fast).
Hey.. one thing. I love the new look.. its not too crowded and it feels more like a sports site then a forum. Good work..
HOWEVER.. now because of the drop down login.. I am not able to login via my Blackberry. When I go to LOGIN.. the login pops down.. but when you try to click on it to login..it pops back up.
On February 27 2012 08:35 Flamingo777 wrote: Spoilers in titles :s, other than that, good stuff!
That's the point : \
Personally I really appreciated it, the changing photos and titles as the events progressed, I wish there was a way to view previous headlines/pictures as well just for posterity's sake.
Have to say I love this new format you guys are doing and the only way you could have made it better would be an auto refresh in the live coverage, but the new on the front page is mos def amazing!
This has made me happy for one (not a lone from the looks of it!) It feels like real sports coverage all of a sudden, it's almost like all the esports talk isn't just bluster (As a photo-nerd your photographers are doing a great job too, the front page is looking damn classy with some pro looking shots on it)
On February 24 2012 13:58 Waxangel wrote: Fast event coverage: We will be recapping all events as they happen live. The game descriptions will be generic and not super in depth, but there will be recaps that let you follow the tournament beyond just scores even if you are not watching the stream.
I'd love if you could add the maps on which the games where played on to the short summarys
I really like these changes, especially the fast replacing of images and headlines is something I always wanted. I wished for a situation like this right now, where you can see pictures of MKP and Polt in their winning poses with a fitting headline. This is giving it a more newspaper frontpage approach, which is in my opion really awesome. Please keep on going this way!
i always hated to see a massive frontpage pre-view article on events and when the event was over to go on a 10 minutes search quest to figure out who won.
I agree the removal of the spoiler policy is a huge improvement. It allows excitement and praise to winners instead of being all hush hush about it. Plus with all the tournaments occurring its nice to get all of the updates in one place.
Love the new layout, makes it look like a legit news source for esports news which is great. Now I will treat TL like I do with any other sport, avoid sites that post news, this was a no brainer decision.
I don't know if anyone else is getting this problems but everytime I scroll down the whole page goes blank. Only the picture remains. I click "hide spoilers" it does it and I unclick "hide spoilers" and it still does it. It's quite annoying and I just want it to stop doing it
I disagree with having live updates getting up for the GSL (esp. the finals) right after they happen and with spoilers in the front page article/title. There's a reason why I PAID for the access to watch the VODs after the event has already happened. It's because they're airing in a time zone where I can't possibly catch them awake.
If there was a sports event that I missed, I sure as hell wouldn't pay to go back and find the video and watch it again. I could also catch it live if I wanted to as it happened since it's airing in the same time zone as myself...
Up to date coverage for MLG, IEM, IPL or any other events like that I have no problem with at all and I don't think many other people have ever voiced concerns about them... being that if you wanted to you could watch them as they're airing. I just think an exception should be made for important matches in the GSL, which should be spoiler'ed by default.
TLDR: This is pretty much a big FU to everyone who actually subscribes to GSL for the VODs.
On March 04 2012 01:04 NintendoStar wrote: The new spoiler policy needed to be advertized MUCH more, I had never heard of it before and had this finals ruined for me.
Your fault. There are news on the front page with results of the tournaments that are still going on, did you not visit TL for last few weeks and just came here right after GSL finals or you're really that naive to think they're not gonna cover the event?
On March 04 2012 01:04 NintendoStar wrote: The new spoiler policy needed to be advertized MUCH more, I had never heard of it before and had this finals ruined for me.
you didn't notice the giant pictures of polt or MKP from assembly and mlg arena?
On March 03 2012 23:34 teamsolid wrote: I disagree with having live updates getting up for the GSL (esp. the finals) right after they happen and with spoilers in the front page article/title. There's a reason why I PAID for the access to watch the VODs after the event has already happened. It's because they're airing in a time zone where I can't possibly catch them awake.
If there was a sports event that I missed, I sure as hell wouldn't pay to go back and find the video and watch it again. I could also catch it live if I wanted to as it happened since it's airing in the same time zone as myself...
Up to date coverage for MLG, IEM, IPL or any other events like that I have no problem with at all and I don't think many other people have ever voiced concerns about them... being that if you wanted to you could watch them as they're airing. I just think an exception should be made for important matches in the GSL, which should be spoiler'ed by default.
TLDR: This is pretty much a big FU to everyone who actually subscribes to GSL for the VODs.
But this isn't an event that's held in your time zone or even close to it. You're thinking of this situation too locally. Would a football fan complain to ESPN/TSN because they put the World Cup results on the front page even though it was held on the other side of the world? No, because they should know better than to visit ESPN/TSN if they didn't want to be spoiled. TL has already given people the option to keep spoilers hidden but that's just a feature most people seem to forget.
On March 03 2012 23:52 Pholon wrote: You understand you can check a checkbox that removes GSL spoilers right?
Yes but if you use a different computer or reset cookies, in order to LOGIN you need to SEE THE SPOILERS.
You know what would be a good solution? TL admins, how about making a page like www.teamliquid.net/nospoiler which would basically be the mainpage with an automatic "no spoiler" setting (and maybe also has all forums on the left side closed)? Should not be too much of a deal to make that.
On March 03 2012 23:52 Pholon wrote: You understand you can check a checkbox that removes GSL spoilers right?
Yes but if you use a different computer or reset cookies, in order to LOGIN you need to SEE THE SPOILERS.
Simple solution, don't go on TL if you dont want spoilers.
How is this an acceptable solution? The goal isn't to drive away traffic and users from your website, it's to make people want to go to it. There needs to be a way for people to avoid spoilers by default.
I'd really like to know why the admins decided to make it opt-out and not opt-in since you hurt a lot of people who don't want spoilers by making them opt-out (and often it's not possible to do so ahead of time on public machines), but don't hurt anyone who does want them by making them opt-in.
There's a similar issue with the thread titles since the entire sidebar is expanded by default, but that strikes me as less of an issue than a the in-your-face news articles on the home page.
On March 04 2012 01:04 NintendoStar wrote: The new spoiler policy needed to be advertized MUCH more, I had never heard of it before and had this finals ruined for me.
Your fault. There are news on the front page with results of the tournaments that are still going on, did you not visit TL for last few weeks and just came here right after GSL finals or you're really that naive to think they're not gonna cover the event?
I wish people would quit comparing this to ESPN or whatever. Esports are still fundamentally different from other sports in that it is quite common to watch VODs instead of live events. SC2 is not televised. Even with barcrafts, due to time differences, it is common that VODs are watched. TL should be aware of this practice and cater to it, instead of pretending that the SC2 scene is like the NFL or something.
Well I've given it a while, and I like the new front page but I don't like the new spoiler policy.
I understand TL wants to move towards being a more serious news site, but I do think SC2 is a little different. Most people aren't even able to watch say GSL live but have to on VODs. It's not like the superbowl.
Teamliquid please; I have searched for the last hour trying to find the check box to remove GSL spoilers, could someone tell me please?
Teamliquid, please change your GSL spoiler policy; at least take a Poll and ask the community what they think for once?
Might I suggest : "Click here to see last nights GSL results" on the home page , instead of blasphemy like NANIWA: Haters Gonna Hate. Now I immediately know that the only foreigner who I cared to watch, was spoiled because you wanted a "catchy" title that sounds like a bad rap song.
Nobody watches the GSL at 2am. How can you consider this a live event on par with ESPN when the majority of the fans and your staff don't watch it until the next day. I am a working individual and I can not watch it at 2am. Neither can anyone with a steady job. That is like having a private football game, where the ONLY way we can watch the event, is AFTER you spoil it for us JUST so you can get some bonus points for having a catchy title-- Haters gonna hate.
Verlas, I doubt the reason they wanted to move to a spoilered news section was so they could use fancy titles in their news...lol
However I agree, the spoiler-free version of TL should be default, and you opt-in to spoilered TL. Keep the rest of the spoiler policy how it used to be for SC2 and how it currently is for BW
Finally, I found it. Waxangel, and Teamliquid: Why would you HIDE the directions to turn spoilers off ?
+ Show Spoiler [Spoiler Process] +
Are you really convinced that the community doesn't want to be able to even see the directions on how to turn spoilers off, so that you must hide them? Teamliquid, why do you feel obligated to spoil the results of all the tournaments, Just so you can consider yourself a LIVE coverage website. I urge you to consider your community for once.
Watching starcraft LIVE is a privilege. It is in no way similar to any other sports period. All major sports are televised nationally and on the radio, and catered to the working class individual so that it starts at a decent time/on the weekend. I need to be privileged to have my computer and a decent internet connection to watch Starcraft. I can't watch it at work because most of the events ( even the NA ones) occur during the day. So I choose to watch Starcraft on my own time.
Teamliquid, you are hurting Esports. I hope you are not offended by my posts, I only seek a better solution for the community. I tried to show starcraft to my real life friend, and he said he only likes watching it if its live. I truly believe that Esports will grow at a much faster pace, if we consider how important the suspense of watching the games is without spoilers for any events.
Just to make myself clear, sometimes when I download the Vods, I notice the third one is only 3 mb. I immediatly know the third match is empty, and the winner of the first match wins the second. I can't help but make that correlation inside my head. Anything we can do to make the games more suspenseful, considering that most of the community is unable to watch live events, will dramatically increase the popularity behind Esports.
This is a little persumptous. The live coverage change was considering the community. Just not the minority that prefers spoiler free watching and for that there is Hide Spoilers.
I don't think it's ruining esports given how many people were/are in favour of this.
On October 13 2011 00:43 drcatellino wrote: In regular sports, when a team wins an important championship, you go to fan/league website to see a huge image in the main page with the people from the team, all happy, smiling and holding the trophy in the air. And then you have a catchy title that says “ Jamaican curling team does it ! Miracle victory”. This create hype, excitement, and make the whole curling/Jamaican community feel like that this is the ONE important news that everyone attention is directed to at the moment.
After IPL3 finals, when you arrived at TL website you saw... nothing. It’s basically like if the event just didn’t happen, or if the outcome wasn’t interesting enough to publicize it in the main page. I know the reasons behind this are SPOILERS, as this community is spread into differents timezones and some people might want to watch the finals later on and still visit TL without being spoiled. I completely understand these reasons, but I think they are detrimental to the growth of E-sports (lol). Part of why people love sports is the story-telling part of it. Even if you watched a hockey game and know exactly what happened, you still like to read about it in newspapers later on, to see pictures of players at the emotion-peak of the game. This help establish a connection between the audience and the sport.
No, gaming is not a dating show, but it is important to show the “human” aspect of it. Yes, I wanted a huge picture of + Show Spoiler +
Stephano
, looking happy as he raised the trophy above his head, on the front page of TL the minute IPL3 was over. That is something you can relate to, as we all have dreams and are usually thrilled to see a nerd like us succeed in what he aspired. Now this aspect is completely absent (or is only seen 2 weeks later as a wrap-up of the event) from the Starcraft community (which main platform is Teamliquid).
Imagine if the night of the finals from the Stanley cup finals (hockey), you went to nhl.com, only to see a random bunch of stats, and to know what was going on in the game you had to had to reach the forums, go to some obscure thread, all of this just in case someone from another timezone would have been pissed if the results were updated live in the front page. If you are a hockey fan and a frequent user of the site maybe you wouln’t mind at all, but if you tried to get interested in the hockey scene and couln’t find the results/wrap-up straight on the main page, you would have been disoriented and just went back to watching curling instead.
“But I don’t want to be spoiled !”
First, are spoilers that big of a deal? How many of you watch a game from an important tournament later on without checking the results before-hand? I know the first thing I do in the morning after a big night of GSL, I check the results and if I have time I’ll watch the games, knowing the results beforehand won’t change my excitement about it.
I know that there is still a small amount of TLers that really don’t want to be spoiled at all, I can respect this, but maybe an alternate spoiler-less TL gateway should be created, which would give links to tournament without spoiling anything. But this should not be the main page. If you don’t want to be spoiled, you should not go to TL main page anyway (in my dream-like super Esports friendly TL main page). I don’t think that every tournament results should be posted on the main page at the minute it’s done, be it should be the importants finals.
Do we really want to have an anticlimactic homepage just to please the 5% spoilers-freaks people ?
Tl;dr: Most sports websites are instantly updated with headlines of the big events, this helps create a connection between the crowd and the sport, mostly for the casual viewers. This connection is absent with Teamliquid and the SC2 community because of the “spoiler fear”. TL mainpage should be updated with headlines results of the big events and a spoiler-free gateway could be created for the spoilers freaks.
Poll: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?
Yes (4507)
86%
No (386)
7%
Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. (364)
7%
5257 total votes
Your vote: Do think live tournament results on TL frontpage is a good idea ?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible.
I go to my TV to watch football or my DVR recorded soccer games. I go to ESPN.com for sports news.
I go to TL.net to watch SC2 live or find links to VODs. I go to TL.net for esports news.
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Now throw in the fact that we are an international site with many timezones and schedules.
Is the difference clear enough there? As the hub for both the viewing experience and the news, the only way we can accommodate both is if we keep the front page spoiler free for at least some time.
As far as spoilers go? Yes, they are a big deal. If you spoil something for me somewhere where you were not supposed to, I would probably ban you. I am the type of person who does not watch trailers for movies because it spoils 2 minutes of the movie for me. Some people care a lot and it detracts from the viewing experience. I'd even go as far as to say spoilering the results ahead of time would be hurting esports more by not allowing the delayed viewers the same epic experience as the live viewers.
I agree with the OP. I'm against censoring open discussion of results for the sake of a few odd people who are "victims" of spoilers. Their habits are weird enough for the rest of us to not care about them and they are obviously the minority. If they want a web site where results aren't openly discussed, they should make their own little niche web site and leave this one alone.
Note that it's not even close. Perhaps the hide spoilers button could be a little more prominent. Especially because if it were the other way around and spoilered tourney was default, I would want people to know that TL is actually updating the results live. It would be quite easy to miss if one followed TL casually.
Thank you for your response Falling, I really appreciate it. I was a little frustrated because I glanced over the directions to remove spoilers because they were hidden by the expand / collapse feature in the OP's post. I strongly agree with your idea to possibly make the spoiler button more prominent. It took me a little while to figure out how ( was directed to this thread).
I sincerely think the best solution to make everybody happy would be to "Click here for the results from last nights GSL" on the homepage instead of Naniwa- Haters Gonna Hate ! Perhaps this could be done just for the GSL, since most subscribers don't even have access to the VODS untill after the results are posted.
Verlas, I doubt the reason they wanted to move to a spoilered news section was so they could use fancy titles in their news...lol I actually think that's a big reason why they did it. "We want fans to come to our site and see a player holding a trophy with an appropriate headline" .
I really like Klogons point of view : I go to my TV to watch football or my DVR recorded soccer games. I go to ESPN.com for sports news.
I go to TL.net to watch SC2 live or find links to VODs. I go to TL.net for esports news.
I see where you guys are coming from, you're a news website. Perhaps I need to figure out a direct link to the stream list without news, because that is what I use your site for most.
I am actually really surprised by how one sided that poll went. I wonder if the results would be different if it was more specific to the GSL.
i work on multiple computers and it makes me so angry to see spoilers on the front page of any new workstation i go to >.> i actually hate what this site has become, if the bw writeups werent so great i would have left long ago.
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