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On June 15 2011 01:07 thirnaz wrote:
Only problem with this way of thinking is that it says that evolution cant be proved when it has been proved :s
To say it´s proved is quite a harsh statement to make. If i say that all our universe was created last week, your personal memories and theories included, it´s pretty much impossible to prove me wrong.
You can only go that far when you say that evolution is "proved" .
My 10 votes go to Miss Oregon. A gamer as Miss America sounds like intelligent design to me 
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On June 15 2011 01:07 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 01:03 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2011 00:55 thirnaz wrote:
Could someone explain what intelligent design actually is? I read abit about it but dont understand much :S The scientific theory of creation. It's when you go "Kids, there are many theories about how we came here and none of them can be proved and it's important we recognise that we just don't know these things. Some people think we evolved which is where we appeared from monkeys but other people think that we were created as people and not monkeys. Remember, these are just theories and theories aren't facts so it can't be proved so they both have equal merit and you should make a personal judgement that is biased by your beliefs." That doesnt seem as stupid as some people make it up to be in this thread imo. I dont believe in god but I can accept that other people do. Only problem with this way of thinking is that it says that evolution cant be proved when it has been proved :s
Council of Europe's comitee stated that ID is a form of creationism and shouldn't be taught in science classes as it's not based on facts and non-scientific.
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On June 15 2011 01:13 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 01:07 thirnaz wrote:On June 15 2011 01:03 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2011 00:55 thirnaz wrote:
Could someone explain what intelligent design actually is? I read abit about it but dont understand much :S The scientific theory of creation. It's when you go "Kids, there are many theories about how we came here and none of them can be proved and it's important we recognise that we just don't know these things. Some people think we evolved which is where we appeared from monkeys but other people think that we were created as people and not monkeys. Remember, these are just theories and theories aren't facts so it can't be proved so they both have equal merit and you should make a personal judgement that is biased by your beliefs." That doesnt seem as stupid as some people make it up to be in this thread imo. I dont believe in god but I can accept that other people do. Only problem with this way of thinking is that it says that evolution cant be proved when it has been proved :s Belief in God isn't a problem. Teaching people that a God created them (they're careful not to name which one) in a science class as a theory when evolution is provable is not only ridiculous but unconstitutional. Part of it comes from a gross misunderstanding of the concept of a scientific theory by creationists.
Ahh now I understand, thanks. I completly agree that teaching religion in science class is very disturbing.
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If you support Intelligent Design being taught in science classes, you support child abuse. Simple as that.
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On June 15 2011 01:23 toadyy wrote:
If you support Intelligent Design being taught in science classes, you support child abuse. Simple as that.
dear god can you people please get out of this thread? i get it, its very clever... now please move along.
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On June 15 2011 01:23 toadyy wrote:
If you support Intelligent Design being taught in science classes, you support child abuse. Simple as that.
Can we get a mod to put a disclaimer at the top of this thread to remind people this topic is about Anna Prosser and not Religion V Evolution?
Some people seem to not realize this.
On June 13 2011 11:03 SUSUGAM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 06:08 iNcontroL wrote:
the great destroyer of TL
The Religious Debate!!!
Go find a thread that isn't absolutely ruined by a bunch of people going over and over and over the most beaten dead horse on the planet. Mindless defense from the white knight. This thread is the place to comment (lolno) support Ms. Anna Prosser, sir. That's the subject at hand, and you're gonna have to deal with the fact that not everyone supports her. If she's dumb enough to believe in ID, people will forever call her out on it around TL. (in a thread devoted to her reputation, in a popularity contest, no less) As if any neck beard can resist such bait? If it was a few years earlier, and someone you weren't dating, you'd probably be the first to make some not-quite-clever, sarcastic remark and expect nothing but praise for it. Gimme a break.
Holy fuck, condescending tone batman. If you don't like her, don't post here, sir.
The OP asks for your support. The topic is for supporters. If you disagree with her beliefs. Don't vote. Make another topic discussing it if you must, just don't post it here. It's off topic.
If anything let's appreciate the viewpoint that people aren't sheep and can decide and research for themselves which systems are correct instead of believing everything a fallible person with chalk in their hand says. Or someone who says they're infallible with a bible in their hands for that matter.
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On June 15 2011 01:34 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 01:23 toadyy wrote:
If you support Intelligent Design being taught in science classes, you support child abuse. Simple as that. Can we get a mod to put a disclaimer at the top of this thread to remind people this topic is about Anna Prosser and not Religion V Evolution?
I believe a critical analysis of the views she represents herself with in the interview for the pageant is very topical. If we're supposed to judge her by her looks then we should definitely judge her by her opinions.
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Bah, I voted like ten times but I`m really bummed out about this intelligent design thing. To me it is important not to support it since I think it is really damaging to students who are presented to it as a legitimate scientific theory. I see why she does it though, political right? Most voters probably only vote for ID girls I guess.
But on the other hand I like Incontrol, I like his girlfriend, and it would be awesome if she became miss Universe! But I do not think I can continue voting for her since it would going on accord on my principles, good luck to you though 
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On June 15 2011 01:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 01:34 AzurewinD wrote:On June 15 2011 01:23 toadyy wrote:
If you support Intelligent Design being taught in science classes, you support child abuse. Simple as that. Can we get a mod to put a disclaimer at the top of this thread to remind people this topic is about Anna Prosser and not Religion V Evolution? I believe a critical analysis of the views she represents herself with in the interview for the pageant is very topical. If we're supposed to judge her by her looks then we should definitely judge her by her opinions.
True enough. I suppose I distinguished between what I saw as a blanket statement like Toadyy's and those specifically referencing Anna's opinions, which in this case isn't a good argument.
I still think this is more of a fanclub/support thread moreso than a discussion piece. I wouldn't go into the "Happy Birthday MrHoon" thread and tell him how I'm not a fan of his, or the "CSU SC2" thread and start talking about how I won't be supporting CSU's SC2 team for various reasons.
But I guess that's just me, and shouldn't be an enforced judgment.
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If she was against religion in a miss USA contest she would never win..
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On June 15 2011 00:47 dreamsmasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 22:37 Badboyrune wrote:On June 14 2011 22:17 dreamsmasher wrote:
if she's not advocating ID in public schools or some shit, then why is it important what her views on the matter are. If you watch the video on the previous page you'd see that she is advocating just that. There's also the fact that she is representing her state and possibly her country in a contest that is mainly about beauty but obviously puts a decent amount of focus on personal character. It also means she will have lots of people looking up to her, many of who will be young and easily fooled into believing whatever nonsense ID people tell them. I'm sorry but advocating ID in any way makes you lose a lot of respect with me. I was honestly both a bit shocked and sad when I read this as I viewed Anna as a quite sensible person. She might still be, and very likely is, sensible in other regards, but supporting ID is almost as nonsensical as it gets. aite well my statement is redacted. i still don't think you should judge a person based on their beliefs though.
When you're at the Miss America level of comparing hottie to hottie, you've got to find something to compare them on. And unfortunately, creationism is a deal-breaker for some people (myself included).
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On June 15 2011 02:03 shell wrote:
If she was against religion in a miss USA contest she would never win..
Also worth noting.
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Inspired by the main post, I got behind her and gave her one.
Anything to bring a smile to iNcontroL's face.
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[QUOTE]On May 11 2011 22:53 Sated wrote:
> Befriend community with a high population of basement dwellers.
(lol)
ps I really like looking at the first post and then 49 pages later and seeing how much the conversation has changed
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On June 15 2011 02:06 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 00:47 dreamsmasher wrote:On June 14 2011 22:37 Badboyrune wrote:On June 14 2011 22:17 dreamsmasher wrote:
if she's not advocating ID in public schools or some shit, then why is it important what her views on the matter are. If you watch the video on the previous page you'd see that she is advocating just that. There's also the fact that she is representing her state and possibly her country in a contest that is mainly about beauty but obviously puts a decent amount of focus on personal character. It also means she will have lots of people looking up to her, many of who will be young and easily fooled into believing whatever nonsense ID people tell them. I'm sorry but advocating ID in any way makes you lose a lot of respect with me. I was honestly both a bit shocked and sad when I read this as I viewed Anna as a quite sensible person. She might still be, and very likely is, sensible in other regards, but supporting ID is almost as nonsensical as it gets. aite well my statement is redacted. i still don't think you should judge a person based on their beliefs though. When you're at the Miss America level of comparing hottie to hottie, you've got to find something to compare them on. And unfortunately, creationism is a deal-breaker for some people (myself included).
I agree. Although, unfortunately, having briefly looked through a number of other interviews, every contestant I saw gave pretty much the same politically correct answer, so by that criterion, they are all as bad as each other.
Also, it seems pretty strange to me that the question was phrased the way it was. Surely a better question should have been "Should creationism be taught in schools?". Is it seriously an ongoing debate in America whether a fully supported and sound scientific theory should be taught in school? Sorry if I sound like an ignorant foreigner, but I'm genuinely cuious.
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On June 15 2011 02:03 shell wrote:
If she was against religion in a miss USA contest she would never win..
If she was against religion in the classroom she wouldn't have tweeted to confirm her position.
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On June 15 2011 02:03 shell wrote:
If she was against religion in a miss USA contest she would never win..
It's perfectly possible to be religious and still not believe in ID. Many, many people are, including priests, bishops and other high ranked church officials.
As to the person claiming that evolution is not 'proven' I guess if you want to get real technical about it it isn't. If you are really strict the only branch of science that can ever prove anything definitively is mathematics.
Evolution however has more evidence to support it than most other scientific theories we take for granted as true every day and should thus for all event and purposes, other than purely philosophical ones, be considered fact.
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On June 15 2011 00:55 thirnaz wrote:
Could someone explain what intelligent design actually is? I read abit about it but dont understand much :S
It's, in one phrase, the teleological theory saying that since life appears to be fantastic and so wondrous, someone must have designed it. This is often backed up by the watchmaker argument: a man wondering through the desert finds a watch, he must conclude that someone designed it. Part 2 is that someone must be god.
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On June 15 2011 03:37 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 00:55 thirnaz wrote:
Could someone explain what intelligent design actually is? I read abit about it but dont understand much :S It's, in one phrase, the teleological theory saying that since life appears to be fantastic and so wondrous, someone must have designed it. This is often backed up by the watchmaker argument: a man wondering through the desert finds a watch, he must conclude that someone designed it. Part 2 is that someone must be god.
theres also some christians who feel that the evolution deal is something also that was created with ID. so its not always so black and white. personally i dont feel its a big deal what she or any other of the contestants have for their religous beliefs. they could be christian atheist mormon etc etc. whenever someone has a different viewpoint than yours doesnt mean you should start a shit storm.
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