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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 03 2010 14:49 GMT
#201
On December 03 2010 17:19 AGIANTSMURF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 15:14 Blixy wrote:
Glad I finally got to practice after getting the OK from my guild to take off until the Cata release.

Should have a pocket full of fun build in store for you pesky Zergs~



I hope to god your getting paid

otherwise it might be time for

*Puts on sunglasses*

An Intervention......

Rofl.

Should just quit WoW, total timewaster and totally boring.

Cataclysm will just waste even more time. Play a game that takes skill and effort rather than mindlessly grinding and yelling on vent.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 16:49:27
December 03 2010 16:24 GMT
#202
Last time I’m gonna seriously argue this point on WoW. No one. NO ONE, except arena players, play WoW for a challenge or because it requires skill. The skill cap on WoW is really low, but it isn't meant to be a competitive environment. Only the best of the best guilds compete for first kills, but even then I think they understand that most of them just have dedication over other players rather than skill.

We play WoW because of the community. Guilds can actually form very strong friendships, a lot like this LAN group, and that is what makes us come back to play more. We play not to down new content alone. We play to down new content with the friends we've made in game. These are people we toiled with to learn new content. People you've shared triumphs and failures over. And usually people you've had fun playing with for the last few months to years.

Now that's if you are in a good guild. This is a rare experience amongst the 11 million players. The players who get into large guilds and just raid with random guild mates they never form bonds with. They are the ones who eventually quit the game and go around saying how boring it is. It is not a fair judgment to not "play" the game then critique its entertainment. To put in perspective, imagine someone who has only played 4v4 bronze level play in starcraft saying the game is no fun and he can't understand why people play. That can be due to multiple reasons, Preference in game, Personal experience differing from the norm. But the likely reason is that he didn't experience the "game". The "real" game that we all experience.

We all understand that as far as execution goes it is all scripted. It is a dance. Always the same, always performing the same actions in set times. However that doesn't make it any less appealing to players. It isn't about the difficulty of the "dance" it's about the flawless execution and "performance" of that dance that gives a sense of accomplishment. Yes after a while it loses its flare, but that's where new content comes it. Another dance to learn, master and execute.

Also I don't know bout you but for most games I play I place my enjoyment far above anything else. Yes it's great to be competitive and to be able to play with skill and confidence. But if you aren't having fun what's the point?

Now that obviously doesn't apply to pro gamers. That's their living. They can afford to place their skills and the competition above their own personal enjoyment of the game. But at the start fun was what drove them.

My time spent in WoW has NEVER felt wasted in the sense that I would wish I never played. Every late night raid, every early morning PvP romp was a joy to experience. Not because of the content but because of the people I was experiencing the content with. WoW is the pure refined essence of "It'll always be more fun with friends"

tl:dr- WoW is about the friends not about the skill, effort, grind or yelling.


Edit: Now with improved spelling and grammar!
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
btway
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States879 Posts
December 03 2010 16:29 GMT
#203
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:

tl:dr- WoW is about the friends not about the skill, effort, grind or yelling.


True of any mmorpg, but I think Poke just misses Blixy :D
Starcraft and I met in February 2010<3
PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
December 03 2010 16:31 GMT
#204
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Last time i'm gonna seriously argue this point on WoW. No one. NO ONE, except arena players, play WoW for a challenge or because it requires skill. The skill cap on WoW is really low, but it isn't ment to be a competitive enviroment. Only the best of the best guilds compete for first kills, But even then i think thye understand that most of them just have dedication over other players rather then skill.

We play WoW because of the community. Guilds can actually form very strong friendships, alot like this lan group, and that is what makes us come back to play more. We play not to down new content alone. We play to down new content with the friends we've made in game. These are people we toiled with to learn new content. People you've shared triumphs and failures over. And usuelly people you've had fun playing with for the last few months to years.

Now that's if you are in a good guild. This is a rare experience amongst the 11 million players. The players who get into large guilds and just raid with random guildmates they never form bonds with. They are the ones who eventually quit the game and go around sayig how boring it is. It is not a fair judgement to not "play" the game then critique it's entertainment. To put in perspective, imagine someone who has only played 4v4 bronze level play in starcraft saying the game is no fun and he can't understand why people play. That can be due to multiple reasons, Preferance in game, Personal experience differing from the norm. But the likely reason is that he didn't experience the "game". The "real" game that we all experience.

We all understand that as far as execution goes it is all scripted. It is a dance. Always the same, always preforming the same actions in set times. However that doesn't make it any less appealing to players. It isn't about the difficulty of the "dance" it's about the flawless execution and "preformance" of that dance that gives a sense of accomplishment. Yes after a while it loses it's flare, but that's where new content comes it. Another dance to learn, master and execute.

Also I don't know bout you but for most games I play I place my enjoyment far above anything else. Yes it's great to be competetive and to be able to play with skill and confidence. But if you aren't having fun what's the point?

Now that obviously doesn't apply to pro gamers. That's their living. They can afford to place their skills and the competetion above their own personal enjoyment of the game. But at the start fun was what drove them.

My time spent in WoW has NEVER felt wasted in the sense that I would wish I never played. Every late night raid, every early morning PvP romp was a joy to experience. Not because of the content but because of the people I was experiencing the content with. WoW is the pure refined essence of "It'll always be more fun with friends"

tl:dr- WoW is about the friends not about the skill, effort, grind or yelling.


That was a very well-mannered rant. No but I agree, I always had fun playing WoW because of my RL and internet friends i played with. once they quit so did I. I didn't see the point.
How Happy Are the Blameless Vestals Lot.
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 16:39:42
December 03 2010 16:33 GMT
#205
On December 04 2010 01:29 btway wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:

tl:dr- WoW is about the friends not about the skill, effort, grind or yelling.


True of any mmorpg, but I think Poke just misses Blixy :D


BRB Getting on fanfiction.net, finding random slash fic and replacing 1 name with Blixy and the other with Pokebunny.

Hmm which context would be best? Naruto? Twilight? or maybe Harry Potter

On December 04 2010 01:31 PeT[uK] wrote:
That was a very well-mannered rant. No but I agree, I always had fun playing WoW because of my RL and internet friends i played with. once they quit so did I. I didn't see the point.


Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
ESKiLL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
December 03 2010 16:39 GMT
#206
I wonder how to get to the teamliquid NYC livestream.... grrr
Don't forget to brush your teeth :)
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
December 03 2010 16:41 GMT
#207
On December 04 2010 01:39 ESKiLL wrote:
I wonder how to get to the teamliquid NYC livestream.... grrr


With magic and sunshine. Not even sure if it's running yet tho. Gonna keep posting while I have nothing to do. Slow day is slow.
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 03 2010 16:41 GMT
#208
Nice post. I'll properly reply as soon as I get a real keyboard, can't be bothered to type paragraphs on a blackberry
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
btway
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States879 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 16:50:07
December 03 2010 16:49 GMT
#209
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.


The only reason I'll be playing D3 is because my old Mabi guild might play it too. In a few years.
Starcraft and I met in February 2010<3
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
December 03 2010 16:50 GMT
#210
On December 04 2010 01:49 btway wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.


The only reason I'll be playing D3 is because my old Mabi guild might play it too. In a few years.


Mabi as in Mabinogi? I should actually go try it. Mabinogi heroes is awesome so Mabinogi has to interesting at least!
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
ESKiLL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
December 03 2010 16:54 GMT
#211
where can i get this "magic"?

On December 04 2010 01:41 dgReborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:39 ESKiLL wrote:
I wonder how to get to the teamliquid NYC livestream.... grrr


With magic and sunshine. Not even sure if it's running yet tho. Gonna keep posting while I have nothing to do. Slow day is slow.

Don't forget to brush your teeth :)
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
December 03 2010 16:54 GMT
#212
So Idra just registered a stream. Pales in comparison to our little stream D=
twitch.tv/schamtoo | twitter.com/schamtoo
ESKiLL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
December 03 2010 16:55 GMT
#213
On December 04 2010 01:50 dgReborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:49 btway wrote:
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.


The only reason I'll be playing D3 is because my old Mabi guild might play it too. In a few years.


Mabi as in Mabinogi? I should actually go try it. Mabinogi heroes is awesome so Mabinogi has to interesting at least!


i have a lvl 28 Fiona T^T im pretty noob...
Don't forget to brush your teeth :)
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 16:57:03
December 03 2010 16:56 GMT
#214
On December 04 2010 01:54 Schamus wrote:
So Idra just registered a stream. Pales in comparison to our little stream D=


I get it. It's cause he's pale right!

On December 04 2010 01:55 ESKiLL wrote:
i have a lvl 28 Fiona T^T im pretty noob...


Ugh i'm still 36. I havn't had time to even try to new boat.
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
ESKiLL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States26 Posts
December 03 2010 16:56 GMT
#215
On December 04 2010 01:54 Schamus wrote:
So Idra just registered a stream. Pales in comparison to our little stream D=


soo... i saw ur livestream the yesterday... how do i join? :o
Don't forget to brush your teeth :)
Certified
Profile Joined August 2010
United States667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 17:10:51
December 03 2010 17:10 GMT
#216
On December 04 2010 01:56 ESKiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:54 Schamus wrote:
So Idra just registered a stream. Pales in comparison to our little stream D=


soo... i saw ur livestream the yesterday... how do i join? :o


what do u mean join?

teamspeak: read earlier posts

livestream: u click the play button

games: im not in charge of those games, schamtoo is
Don't worry, I'm a professional
btway
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States879 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 17:16:21
December 03 2010 17:12 GMT
#217
On December 04 2010 01:50 dgReborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:49 btway wrote:
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.


The only reason I'll be playing D3 is because my old Mabi guild might play it too. In a few years.


Mabi as in Mabinogi? I should actually go try it. Mabinogi heroes is awesome so Mabinogi has to interesting at least!


You need 0 lag and a good guild to enjoy it. Taking 1 hit = death in that game. It's literally impossible to try and "catch up" on levels since there's no level cap.

so yeah, train my evie pls. Turns out I'm going staff cus my friend went scythe already.
Starcraft and I met in February 2010<3
dgReborn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States453 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 17:33:41
December 03 2010 17:20 GMT
#218
On December 04 2010 02:12 btway wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 01:50 dgReborn wrote:
On December 04 2010 01:49 btway wrote:
On December 04 2010 01:24 dgReborn wrote:
Agreed. When my guild quits i'll prolly quit with em. Most likely they will hop to a new MMO to feed their addictions...Maybe Firefall.


The only reason I'll be playing D3 is because my old Mabi guild might play it too. In a few years.


Mabi as in Mabinogi? I should actually go try it. Mabinogi heroes is awesome so Mabinogi has to interesting at least!


You need 0 lag and a good guild to enjoy it. Taking 1 hit = death in that game. It's literally impossible to try and "catch up" on levels since there's no level cap.

so yeah, train my evie pls. Turns out I'm going staff cus my friend went scythe already.


Both are fine and both get Golem so it's ok. Scyth evie is prolly the second best solo character but she does less damage then a real good spear lann. Staff evie can heal that means she is auto win.

Also i actually have stuff to do on vindictus now+not having that uch time anymore=Nu!

Actually you ARE getting on eonce every 4 days to spend your meditation right?

On topic: Anyone plan to exclusivly cast? If so we need to get Headsets if we are going with the off comp setup. And likely the computers should have 2 inputs so there shouldn't be the 1 usb min limit.
I have no enemies, But i'm intensely disliked by my friends.
Certified
Profile Joined August 2010
United States667 Posts
December 03 2010 17:54 GMT
#219
God damn it, were just short of filling the roster.
Come on people sign up and give it a shot! lol
Don't worry, I'm a professional
btway
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States879 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 18:11:59
December 03 2010 18:07 GMT
#220
On December 04 2010 02:54 Certified wrote:
God damn it, were just short of filling the roster.
Come on people sign up and give it a shot! lol


People prolly don't know if they'll be free in January. We'll need around 10 back ups too. Shot first backup btw since you're doing all thre bracket reporting. Will lose first round anyways

Edit: uh nvm. Forgot about the loser bracket
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