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On June 30 2010 06:47 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
sorry:x
but before you try to help, you gotta realize whether your post will actually come out as helpful and if it addresses the initial concerns expressed by the.. helpee It doesn't seem like you really understand that there's no such thing as spot reduction and that it comes back to diet. Your concern isn't anything about neck strength, so how is recommending neck exercises going to help you at all?
sigh.
It's like if i asked you for midsection exercises and you told me to skip on crunches and just eat better.
You're fucking clueless, stop giving advice here, thank you.
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anyone here crossfit? I have been doing it on and off for about 1.5 years, and was wondering if anyone else does the same?
If your not familiar- here is their homepage
www.crossfit.com
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On June 30 2010 06:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Doing neck exercises will not get rid of your double chin. Its just like asking what ab exercises to do to get a 6 pack. (BTW doing just ab exercises alone will not get you a 6 pack) I'm not sure why you are attacking everyone Sfydjklm.
did i fucking ask anyone for a diet advice?
Yea ab exercises alone wont get you a six pack, but neither will diet alone. And that is my point.
You guys are fucking telling me to eat better because i want to supplement my workouts with neck excercizes? Have YOU people ever had a sixpack or did you just read some wiki articles and now trying to give people advice by misquoting them?
The fuck is this nonsense? Arent you supposed to be an expert in this thread?
User was warned for this post
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On June 30 2010 09:38 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:47 TieN.nS) wrote:On June 30 2010 06:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
sorry:x
but before you try to help, you gotta realize whether your post will actually come out as helpful and if it addresses the initial concerns expressed by the.. helpee It doesn't seem like you really understand that there's no such thing as spot reduction and that it comes back to diet. Your concern isn't anything about neck strength, so how is recommending neck exercises going to help you at all? sigh. It's like if i asked you for midsection exercises and you told me to skip on crunches and just eat better. You're fucking clueless, stop giving advice here, thank you.
If you want to work on your core- do Olympic lifts, and make sure that you eat right. eating is part of the equation yes- but to say that you can get a strong core just by eating well is impossible.
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lol. At least I don't have a double chin.
p.s. skinny people have six packs, it's not hard. And squats/deadlifts are better core exercises than crunches.
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On June 30 2010 09:44 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Doing neck exercises will not get rid of your double chin. Its just like asking what ab exercises to do to get a 6 pack. (BTW doing just ab exercises alone will not get you a 6 pack) I'm not sure why you are attacking everyone Sfydjklm. did i fucking ask anyone for a diet advice? Yea ab exercises alone wont get you a six pack, but neither will diet alone. And that is my point. You guys are fucking telling me to eat better because i want to supplement my workouts with neck excercizes? Have YOU people ever had a sixpack
+ Show Spoiler + or did you just read some wiki articles and now trying to give people advice by misquoting them?
The fuck is this nonsense? Arent you supposed to be an expert in this thread?
Umm yeah...you can get a six pack from diet alone. Diet reduces fat which reduces body fat % which reveals your ab muscles. Doing ab exercises makes your abs stronger and a little bigger, but not enough to overcome a certain body fat percentage. And Yes if you said "what are some ab exercises" i would ask you what your goal was, because if it was a six pack i would tell you to work on your diet first adn foremost before ab exercises.
As for your neck, what is the goal of your neck exercises, because if it is to get rid of your double chin, i'd say neck exercises are your lowest priority after diet and high intensity interval training. If its sport specific then we can offer further help.
The only neck exercises i've done are the 4 way neck machine, and lying on a bench while having a partner apply resistance while you move your neck each way, oh yeah neck bridges also. Other than that, the hand fighting/standing part of wrestling is very neck intensive. And great for you.
Speaking of neck, my neck has been fucking killing me for like two weeks, the doctor told me it might be arthritis and i should get x ray + sign up for physical therapy. I'm thinking about trying out some neck exercises for a couple weeks and see if building up the muscle works.
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On June 30 2010 09:44 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Doing neck exercises will not get rid of your double chin. Its just like asking what ab exercises to do to get a 6 pack. (BTW doing just ab exercises alone will not get you a 6 pack) I'm not sure why you are attacking everyone Sfydjklm. did i fucking ask anyone for a diet advice? Yea ab exercises alone wont get you a six pack, but neither will diet alone. And that is my point. You guys are fucking telling me to eat better because i want to supplement my workouts with neck excercizes? Have YOU people ever had a sixpack or did you just read some wiki articles and now trying to give people advice by misquoting them? The fuck is this nonsense? Arent you supposed to be an expert in this thread?
i have a six pack- and i can tell you that it's from all of the Olympic lifts / crazy core shit that cross fit has me doing. crunches are a waste of time imo... as for diet- yes it is important, but you need to make sure that you are doing both (good core exercise, and dieting) to have your abs show through. As for neck exercise- i think that is pretty much a waste of time as well. once again the Olympic lifts are going to strengthen your neck. having a double chin comes from eating poorly and not working out. Doing specific neck work will not alleviate the problem. What should be done is daily gym time at high intensity, and some simple diet changes. Basically have a large variety of foods that you eat, and try and keep your caloric intake for the day where you need it to be.
If losing weight is the issue- just stop eating 500cal a day, and by a weeks time you will lose a pound. (1 lb of body fat is 3500kcal) it's really that easy.
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wow, sfydjklm you should have listened to me when i said you were being an asshole. now i think you've just annoyed everyone who actually does know what they're talking about
and yes, i do have a six pack(decaf's is more defined than mine though), as if you need a six pack to know what you're talking about
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On June 30 2010 05:38 travis wrote:
sfydjklm what are you looking for exactly? strength in what way? and what do you mean by neck? do you mean the actual neck? because that's a weird thing to train if you like aren't into mma or wrestling or something. at least in my opinion
love1another i have trouble believing u can keep up with them in the ab ripper video in only 2 weeks and actually have good form. if you could, you were already in great shape before you started.
I'm actually in pretty decent shape. (I went into Ab-ripperX not as a fatty but as someone who was on the skinny side and wanted to gain some weight). The first 2-3 sessions were like crazy hard and I had to take a few breaks, but by the end of the 4th session, I stopped getting sore or noticing the dramatic improvement I had seen over the first 10-12 days.
So apparently, if my goal is to have rock hard sexy abs, (I think) I have enough muscle at this point, but I need to lose that extra few millimeters of fat that bulge over when I sit down and lean over. So basically, I should do some interval training and try to eat some higher-protein, lower-carb foods to get that extra definition? Is there some way I can avoid doing that cardio though? (Despite my newfound upper body sculptedness, at heart I'm still a total fatass)
So to clarify:
1.) I plan to maintain the ab-ripper X routine just to keep my muscle tone. (my metabolism and muscle growth/decay rate are absurdly fast, so if I stop exercising, 3 weeks later I look like a hungry Saharan kid)
2.) I plan to eat more meat, less carbs. (I don't have the time or money to go buy nutritional supplements)
3.) I plan to do (a very small) amount of cardio. maybe...
Does this sound like a good plan?
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You don't have to do cardio, just exercise that burns lots of calories. Weight training for example burns a ton of calories. Something like high intensity cardio will burn a shitload of calories though.
And eating lots of protein is good, so you get enough protein. But honestly the most important thing about your diet is simply that you eat less calories than you've been eating, but get the exercise to not lose muscle mass.
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On June 30 2010 11:32 travis wrote:
You don't have to do cardio, just exercize that burns lots of calories. Weight training for example burns a ton of calories.
Yes yes yes! :D That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Also, could you clarify that point earlier in the thread that you can't do localized fat burn? So basically does that mean if I do like a hundred pullups and squats and jerks and pushups and stuff, that'll reduce my ab fat?
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What it means is that if you are burning fat, the fat is burned from your entire body, not from any specific region. So to answer your question - yes.
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On June 30 2010 11:39 travis wrote:
What it means is that if you are burning fat, the fat is burned from your entire body, not from any specific region. So to answer your question - yes.
i rub u twawis <3 
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Well in men, most of the body fat is stored as visceral fat in the belly area. So that's why you need to be at such a low bf% to have a six pack. But yes, weight training is much more effective than cardio.
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On June 30 2010 09:44 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:44 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Doing neck exercises will not get rid of your double chin. Its just like asking what ab exercises to do to get a 6 pack. (BTW doing just ab exercises alone will not get you a 6 pack) I'm not sure why you are attacking everyone Sfydjklm. did i fucking ask anyone for a diet advice? Yea ab exercises alone wont get you a six pack, but neither will diet alone. And that is my point. You guys are fucking telling me to eat better because i want to supplement my workouts with neck excercizes? Have YOU people ever had a sixpack or did you just read some wiki articles and now trying to give people advice by misquoting them? The fuck is this nonsense? Arent you supposed to be an expert in this thread?
WTF is the garbage?
Losing fat is at least 80-90% diet. That's where you should always start.
Exercises, especially specific exercises for muscle groups, are tertiary. It's better to hit up compound lifts for the whole body, or do full body work like sprinting to lose fat.
Losing fat hierarchy:
1. Nutrition
2. High intensity exercise -- aka lifting compound exercises (see squats, deadlifts, etc.), sprinting, metabolic/density work
3. Specific exercises for local muscle groups (aka abs exercise for abs, neck exercises for neck, etc.)
if you're already on top of your nutrion, and lifting work then sure add in some neck exercises. But we've never seen any indication that you've been paying attention to 1 & 2 which are vastly more important than 3. If you are then say so and we'll give you specific exercises for whatever... I guess.
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On June 30 2010 05:33 Sfydjklm wrote:
so, neck exercise. any recommendation? As i grew older i got this disgusting fat-rekrul like neck.
Look this is what you wrote first, you said nothing about your fitness and diet. Plus from what you wrote, it implied that you did nothing and grew a double chin. Which is usually caused from a lack of diet and exercise. Then you start asking about neck exercises? What are we suppose to think?
BTW misrah do you compete in oly lifting? o wait nvm you said you do crossfit 
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DimSum what do your workouts look like? I've never really had an oly centered workout and i might wanna do a bit of it while i still have access to mats + rubber weights for the summer. I've pretty much always done a powerlifting centered workout with maybe an oly lift or too added in. Also, you didn't list a number for deadlifting...do you even deadlift?
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On June 30 2010 12:41 decafchicken wrote:
DimSum what do your workouts look like? I've never really had an oly centered workout and i might wanna do a bit of it while i still have access to mats + rubber weights for the summer. I've pretty much always done a powerlifting centered workout with maybe an oly lift or too added in. Also, you didn't list a number for deadlifting...do you even deadlift?
There's subtle differences between deadlift and the first phase of the clean. You can clean DL.... but even then it's like ehh.
Most serious weightlifters won't bother with the DLs and just get all of their work from clean high pulls, RDLs, or good mornings and stuff like that.
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On June 30 2010 12:08 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 05:33 Sfydjklm wrote:
so, neck exercise. any recommendation? As i grew older i got this disgusting fat-rekrul like neck. Look this is what you wrote first, you said nothing about your fitness and diet. Plus from what you wrote, it implied that you did nothing and grew a double chin. Which is usually caused from a lack of diet and exercise. Then you start asking about neck exercises? What are we suppose to think? BTW misrah do you compete in oly lifting? o wait nvm you said you do crossfit
why the sad face after crossfit? it's an amazing workout program. it emphasizes high intensity lifts, that generate some extreme cardio situations
like this workout:
Ten rounds for time of:
3 Weighted Pull-ups, 45 pounds
5 Strict Pull-ups
7 Kipping Pull-up
^
that is what men do. that is what i attempt (and fail to do most of the time lol)
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