I was wondering if you guys and gals feel the same.

First Immortal Gardens making pathing much easier to see by means of round and cubic trees without much leafage.

Now Dark Reef actually has performance advantage.

Not too much on topic - just a rant - but the whole cosmetic items situation seems to get out of hand as well. My favourite examples are Juggernaut in a completely different colour set-up and Timbersaw looking like Axe.
I wish I could disable cosmetics items that got too much out of hand : (

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

May 15 2017 17:55 GMT

dark reef makes trees pathing and cutting the right tree a lot worse imo and the performance advantage is negligible
so no
immortal gardens square trees was pretty dumb but as long as it brings your framerate down 50% it's hard to call it op.

Atreides

United States2393 Posts

May 15 2017 20:42 GMT

Ya I love dark reef but uhh... in 4 ranked games on it I have cut the wrong "tree" twice, and placed a ward blocked by a piece of seaweed once. xD. I don't think the performance is an issue at all. They may have learned their lesson hopefully about maps that actually make things easier.

Jelissei

193 Posts

May 16 2017 19:27 GMT

So the pro's and con's level each other out? I guess so, but 50% drop is a bit exaggerated. According to the link it's only about 7% to 15%. The fps change is not that great, but the trees seem to give a big advantage. Makes it much easier for me at least.

Thanks for the replies anyhow.

Corgi

United States408 Posts

May 17 2017 10:02 GMT

Honestly only the immortal gardens give some advantage with easier to see trees for pathing and what not.

Murlox

France1699 Posts

May 18 2017 06:24 GMT

Tbh I feel that the "ash" weather effect is the most OP thing by far.

I mean you can see heroes way before they appear on screen or on the map : the long shadows give them away, despite the fog of war.

The shadow is headed full south, so you want to play radiant. And yeah, why not throw an immortal garden map over that, they're compatible (and look somewhat nice, if not a bit dark).

edit : sadly, afaik, one can't get that weather anymore. At least I can't find a way to grab TI5 weather effects that I missed

So not really P2W per se I guess, but still... never understood how that weather was "ok".

BobMcJohnson

France2916 Posts

May 22 2017 10:54 GMT

Dark Reef looks very nice but seems unpractical, too much of everything which is distracting etc. I can't see the small fps gain offset that tbh. If anything i'd say Dark Reef is pay2lose.

Jelissei

193 Posts

May 22 2017 12:07 GMT

Yeah, my motivation was Immortal Gardens. I still think it's a bit unfair because it seems more clear than the other maps.

When I googled for similar posts I found the fps thread on reddit and added it to this post. I don't truly care, but for fairness points I hope Valve will make another similar map to Immortal Gardens that everyone can have access to.

Jisira

470 Posts

May 22 2017 20:15 GMT

Immortal Gardens is so good it should straight up replace the original map skin.

Yurie

12153 Posts

May 24 2017 07:27 GMT

#10

On May 23 2017 05:15 Jisira wrote:
Immortal Gardens is so good it should straight up replace the original map skin.

I do have Immortal Gardens but use the default map instead. So it isn't a universal opinion.

Jelissei

193 Posts

May 24 2017 13:25 GMT

#11

Can you explain why? Is it nostalgia, aesthetics or do you think the map is just better in some way?

Yurie

12153 Posts

May 24 2017 16:35 GMT

#12

On May 24 2017 22:25 Jelissei wrote:
Can you explain why? Is it nostalgia, aesthetics or do you think the map is just better in some way?

Aesthetics. I don't really like the marble and refined style. I prefer the look of a wilderness being fought in.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

May 24 2017 16:59 GMT

#13

The main map is superior in tone and any advantage giving by one of the map skins is negligible and likely canceled out by some other flaw we are not aware of.

Murlox

France1699 Posts

May 24 2017 18:28 GMT

#14

I have IG but I use the MK map.

I think it is the best at defining heights (which I find very confusing with the default map), also it looks nice and I grew tired of IG.

Jelissei

193 Posts

May 24 2017 19:37 GMT

#15

What's the MK map?

Murlox

France1699 Posts

May 24 2017 21:41 GMT

#16

Jelissei

193 Posts

May 24 2017 22:17 GMT

#17

Ah the King's New Journey. I'll be looking in to that. Thanks.

Spicy_Curry

United States10573 Posts

May 24 2017 22:20 GMT

#18

Life is good if shit like this keeps you up at night.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

May 24 2017 22:27 GMT

#19

lel
plebs still imagining that pros dont know by heart the pathing through every trees, every jukes spots.
Some people could still play this game with the map blacked out and just seeing their own heroes

sCuMBaG

United Kingdom1144 Posts

May 26 2017 08:32 GMT

#20

I've got massive FPS problems at the moment.
It's about 60% bad days - which has me at around 15 FPS
40% good days - which gives me around 40 FPS

And I'm already playing on the very lowest settings possible.

I've noticed that as soon as I get to around 25, it suddenly gets playable - everything under feels like a good second delay -.-

so basically, if I can just improve me "bad day" FPS by 5-10, it would make a huge difference.
I actually won the MK map in that Kiev Major predictions thing...
Would that map slightly improve my FPS as well, or should I get darkreef/immortalgardens?

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