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On March 25 2014 22:11 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 21:44 Tsutchie wrote:On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all. i can believe, mass feed from the enemy laners. definitely possible at low mmr. in this MMR if you win as the AFK farming carry (AM and the likes) its because your team won 4v5 , otherwise you get rolled because no matter what , just farming isnt enough against the other team who farms heroes , AM wont carry such game. Thats why the very hard carries are useless in low rating pubs , but are still fun to play  . simple scenario -> you AFK farm , your team is being pushed (or picked off) , instead of delaying or split pushing or giving up the tower , they defend without you and die , this will happen more times then not.
I play at 3k MMR and I would like to say that I play Anti-Mage a lot, he's one of my favorite heroes (I even bought the BurNIng set for him) and I win constantly with the hero purely through my own good carry play. All my team is ever required to do is not the lose the game before 16 mins, then I have a Battlefury and the enemy team is usually stupid enough to let me farm for 20-30 mins and then I just link back up with my team and get an easy win cause I have to do all the hard work. I've won about 20 or so games in ranked just doing this and any of the ones I've lost are still really close. So, don't discredit Anti-Mage, he can have a huge impact in low level pubs if the person playing him is good.
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On March 25 2014 23:44 sfasdfasdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 22:11 bluzi wrote:On March 25 2014 21:44 Tsutchie wrote:On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all. i can believe, mass feed from the enemy laners. definitely possible at low mmr. in this MMR if you win as the AFK farming carry (AM and the likes) its because your team won 4v5 , otherwise you get rolled because no matter what , just farming isnt enough against the other team who farms heroes , AM wont carry such game. Thats why the very hard carries are useless in low rating pubs , but are still fun to play . simple scenario -> you AFK farm , your team is being pushed (or picked off) , instead of delaying or split pushing or giving up the tower , they defend without you and die , this will happen more times then not. cause I have to do all the hard work. .
If your team can survive 4v5 for 30minutes while you are just farming it certainly wasn't you who did all the hard work.
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You don't have to afk farm with AM all the time. You can join fights if you're certain you can win them or trade well and survive, otherwise split pushing is the true power of AM.
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On March 25 2014 23:44 sfasdfasdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 22:11 bluzi wrote:On March 25 2014 21:44 Tsutchie wrote:On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all. i can believe, mass feed from the enemy laners. definitely possible at low mmr. in this MMR if you win as the AFK farming carry (AM and the likes) its because your team won 4v5 , otherwise you get rolled because no matter what , just farming isnt enough against the other team who farms heroes , AM wont carry such game. Thats why the very hard carries are useless in low rating pubs , but are still fun to play . simple scenario -> you AFK farm , your team is being pushed (or picked off) , instead of delaying or split pushing or giving up the tower , they defend without you and die , this will happen more times then not. I play at 3k MMR and I would like to say that I play Anti-Mage a lot, he's one of my favorite heroes (I even bought the BurNIng set for him) and I win constantly with the hero purely through my own good carry play. All my team is ever required to do is not the lose the game before 16 mins, then I have a Battlefury and the enemy team is usually stupid enough to let me farm for 20-30 mins and then I just link back up with my team and get an easy win cause I have to do all the hard work. I've won about 20 or so games in ranked just doing this and any of the ones I've lost are still really close. So, don't discredit Anti-Mage, he can have a huge impact in low level pubs if the person playing him is good.
Let his own team 4v5 for 30 minutes is'nt being good, just stupid over-farm. Your team is good, not you..
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Not saying he's playing the hero wrong. I am saying he is wrong when he thinks he is doing all the hard work.
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On March 26 2014 00:59 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 23:44 sfasdfasdf wrote:On March 25 2014 22:11 bluzi wrote:On March 25 2014 21:44 Tsutchie wrote:On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all. i can believe, mass feed from the enemy laners. definitely possible at low mmr. in this MMR if you win as the AFK farming carry (AM and the likes) its because your team won 4v5 , otherwise you get rolled because no matter what , just farming isnt enough against the other team who farms heroes , AM wont carry such game. Thats why the very hard carries are useless in low rating pubs , but are still fun to play . simple scenario -> you AFK farm , your team is being pushed (or picked off) , instead of delaying or split pushing or giving up the tower , they defend without you and die , this will happen more times then not. cause I have to do all the hard work. . If your team can survive 4v5 for 30minutes while you are just farming it certainly wasn't you who did all the hard work.
This so much.
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On March 25 2014 23:44 sfasdfasdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2014 22:11 bluzi wrote:On March 25 2014 21:44 Tsutchie wrote:On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all. i can believe, mass feed from the enemy laners. definitely possible at low mmr. in this MMR if you win as the AFK farming carry (AM and the likes) its because your team won 4v5 , otherwise you get rolled because no matter what , just farming isnt enough against the other team who farms heroes , AM wont carry such game. Thats why the very hard carries are useless in low rating pubs , but are still fun to play . simple scenario -> you AFK farm , your team is being pushed (or picked off) , instead of delaying or split pushing or giving up the tower , they defend without you and die , this will happen more times then not. I play at 3k MMR and I would like to say that I play Anti-Mage a lot, he's one of my favorite heroes (I even bought the BurNIng set for him) and I win constantly with the hero purely through my own good carry play. All my team is ever required to do is not the lose the game before 16 mins, then I have a Battlefury and the enemy team is usually stupid enough to let me farm for 20-30 mins and then I just link back up with my team and get an easy win cause I have to do all the hard work. I've won about 20 or so games in ranked just doing this and any of the ones I've lost are still really close. So, don't discredit Anti-Mage, he can have a huge impact in low level pubs if the person playing him is good.
As DrPanda said, you won on the back of your teams efforts, not the other way around.
Edit: and before you get all snippy, he almost doubles your MMR.
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I think you misunderstand, I'm not just leaving my team 4v5 because I want to, and I don't mean to imply that I'm not tping to help my team or defend or anything like you seem to think I did. I mean that if I'm right where I should be with my timings or just slightly behind I can easily stall out a game and get farmed enough to win a game while helping my team when I can.
When I say do all the hard work... maybe that was poor wording, I only meant that when farmed enough I come to team fights (usually at our base or Roshan or something) and win team fights with my team, and then, typically, the game.
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I think the reason PA and AM don't see success in pubs is because unless you build a team around being able to 4v5 for the first 25-30 minutes you'll just get roflstomped in teamfights. Alternatively, your PA can be Brazilian, and jump onto full health tanks alone with half life because they think Coup de Grace is a one shot kill always or that it's guaranteed to proc on heroes
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How come everybody thinks they are arteezy these days :/
SF? Midas.
Morphling? Midas.
DK? Midas.
Etc Etc.
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On March 26 2014 02:57 sfasdfasdf wrote:
I think you misunderstand, I'm not just leaving my team 4v5 because I want to, and I don't mean to imply that I'm not tping to help my team or defend or anything like you seem to think I did. I mean that if I'm right where I should be with my timings or just slightly behind I can easily stall out a game and get farmed enough to win a game while helping my team when I can.
When I say do all the hard work... maybe that was poor wording, I only meant that when farmed enough I come to team fights (usually at our base or Roshan or something) and win team fights with my team, and then, typically, the game.
not sure if it was you who posted whom i replied too , but i specifcaly replied to a guy who said he WILL AFK FARM ....
but even if you dont , there is no denying you need a good team to keep it togther , i saw many pub games END (everyone else so farmed it doesnt matter what AM does) by the 20min mark because of a jungeler who wont help even if the fight is half a screen away or the AFK carry farmer who just ignores everything , comes to defend the T3 (when we are going to actually lose the rax) thinking he has a good farm and just dies....
all in all , AM can be good in some situations , and the best one is having the other team have there own late game carry who farms
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Non-English speaking four-stack, Phase-Bottle no other items Windrunner at 36 minutes, five minutes of ping-spamming when I didn't gank bot as a level 4 Invoker...
And what irritates me the most is that I didn't play especially well. I think that's progress.
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On March 25 2014 13:20 Dexington wrote:
You're at 2800, I seriously doubt you can farm a battlefury in 11 minutes. That's been done a total of 50 times in pro dota. Also consider that people there don't know how to tri-lane effectively, and their farming efficiency is no where near a pro level, I just don't believe you at all.
Despite having a low MMR, I have a decently number of games with AM (308, according to Dotabuff). I can last hit with him without problems, as he has good attack animation and I practiced a lot. Normally its more than 60 cs by 10 minutes if I have free farm.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
Pretty sure you need more than 60cs by 10 minutes to get an 11 minute Battlefury.
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On March 26 2014 05:55 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pretty sure you need more than 60cs by 10 minutes to get an 11 minute Battlefury.
Is there anyway I can find a game with this using my Dotabuff? I'm almost sure I got it by that mark more than one time, and multiple times by 12 minutes.
The problem is: with 2700 MMR or less, you just won't have a support in more than half of your matches.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
I went into an empty game with AM to see how it would go.
10 minutes:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/snKQCdi.jpg)
That is with only 6 creeps missed. I got the last 180 gold for the Broadsword by 10:30, but assuming I hadn't missed those creeps, I would've had 270 gold more (at 45 gold per creep), meaning I would've gotten it a moment before 10 minutes. That's assuming perfect farm.
You could argue that 'you'd have kills and towers' but you'd also be buying Boots (possibly Treads), PMS, and gotten an extra Salve and stats at the beginning of the game.
You're also not hitting perfect CS if you're 2800 rated.
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I used to go for naked BF, not getting even brown boots or PMS.
As I said, I can send you my Dotabuff by PM if its possible to verify using it.
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
So you're telling me that at 2700-2800 mmr you are able to perfectly last hit your way in a real game with real opponents and no supports (as you put it) to an 11 minute Battlefury, without bothering to purchase any items along the way? Forgive me for being a bit sceptical, but feel free to send me a link I suppose.
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On March 26 2014 06:20 Firebolt145 wrote:
So you're telling me that at 2700-2800 mmr you are able to perfectly last hit your way in a real game with real opponents and no supports (as you put it) to an 11 minute Battlefury, without bothering to purchase any items along the way? Forgive me for being a bit sceptical, but feel free to send me a link I suppose.
With supports, its exactly that. I was talking about a free farm situation, like Me + KotL versus a solo Venom.
Let's continue the discussion through PM, i sent you my Dotabuff.
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On March 26 2014 06:15 Firebolt145 wrote:I went into an empty game with AM to see how it would go. 10 minutes: + Show Spoiler +That is with only 6 creeps missed. I got the last 180 gold for the Broadsword by 10:30, but assuming I hadn't missed those creeps, I would've had 270 gold more (at 45 gold per creep), meaning I would've gotten it a moment before 10 minutes. That's assuming perfect farm. You could argue that 'you'd have kills and towers' but you'd also be buying Boots (possibly Treads), PMS, and gotten an extra Salve and stats at the beginning of the game. You're also not hitting perfect CS if you're 2800 rated.
Is ur AM supposed to be underwater with that HUD? o.o sweet
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