EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 845
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
On November 30 2013 20:06 babysimba wrote: Met Mushi in game. Then game failed to load because of a fucker. is he ur ally or enemy? the fucker probably quivered in fear | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On November 30 2013 09:30 SnowfaLL wrote: the absolute worst thing about dota pub like that guy is people believe this game can only be played one way. Right now, you see EVERY 1 pos getting a midas, even if you are down 3 towers in the first 10 minutes, they still get a midas.. its ridiculous how people watch loda or dendi do something then think thats the ONLY way this game can be played.. Everytime I pick Mirana, I say "I'm support mirana" but people still expect me to be the 1 pos, just because thats the "metagame" right now.. It's frustrating how pigeon-holded the community is. It's also why people like EE completely throw off the chinese teams; they do not understand different philosophies of play until it smacks them in the face ala TI3 or MLG. This game is about adapting to change, but in the pub mm that is barely thought about. The problem isnt as much the midases as the playstyle that generally comes with it. That is: "im gonna afk farm and not help until I have my 2-3 major items". We'll see if the current trend of midas on every hero is gonna last, but stopping for a midas doesnt always have to be bad. The bigger problem is the non-fighting players (which you described very well in your previous post, which I fully agree with). What I especially get annoyed by are the players who dont understand the importance of tower. And more specifically, the importance of your mid T1 and safelane T1+T2. If you play the typical afk-farm jungle (midas or not), YOU NEED those fucking towers. When I see them sit in their jungle as the enemies group up and take mid and our safelane T1 i just facepalm. The second you lose those towers, your jungle isnt your jungle anymore, especially as radiant (dire camps are a bit safer having lost outer towers). A good enemy team will also ward your jungle at that point, but even without wards there, you just cant safely farm there anymore. And the jungle-farmers dont seem to realize how letting go of those towers actually jeopardizes their farm. Watch progames, you'll often see people sacrificing their offlane T1 to early pushes. Why? Because it doesnt guard any important part of the map. You will very rarely, if ever, see people give up safelane T1 without a fight. You CAN fight with a midas. Or just being there to help might sometimes prevent a push. But if you arent there you're not helping no matter item build. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
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MMDT
United Kingdom117 Posts
edit: next game the captain picks us PA, sniper and chaos knight on same team. jesus christ man | ||
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Painiyff
Canada26 Posts
sometimes i can get us a 10-0 lead by 10 mins, and push down a tower at 2 min.. but sometimes it goes the other way... 0-10 and ppl say im feeding... although the game always ends up with them having the worse score lol. also i hate it when ppl goes mid with pa against qop. IT JUST DOESNT WORK... | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
I can't believe Valve haven't fixed this. It prevents any kind of comeback.. which is unlikely even if spawn camping was prevented. But what's worse, you can't leave the game cause you get an abandon. So chalk those minutes up to more of your life wasted on doing absolutely nothing of value or enjoyment. User was warned for this post | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On December 01 2013 07:08 Quotidian wrote: if you're a spawn camper, prolonging games by 10+ minutes just cause you're a dick and you want to pad inventory for the end of game screen, I hope you get a horrible cancer and your children are deformed. I can't believe Valve haven't fixed this. It prevents any kind of comeback.. which is unlikely even if spawn camping was prevented. But what's worse, you can't leave the game cause you get an abandon. So chalk those minutes up to more of your life wasted on doing absolutely nothing of value or enjoyment. you cant prevent it, its impossible if you dont like it just buy a forcestaff or blink and you can jump from the fountain to an unreachable spot in the woods straight from the fountain. theyll get bored | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
And of course you can prevent it from a design perspective.. just redesign the base so that the regen zone stretched to the ancient and has two paths out of it. Make heroes unkillable deeper inside the fountain, make enemy spells not work (hook, abaddon shield etc) Or make the game safe to leave when a certain tower/gold/xp deficit is reached | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On December 01 2013 08:07 Quotidian wrote: I hate this "if you don't like it" crap that people post as response sometimes. Saying "buy forcestaff" is pretty damn situational, because it implies you have money for a forcestaff. It's not any kind of reasonable solution. And of course you can prevent it from a design perspective.. just redesign the base so that the regen zone stretched to the ancient and has two paths out of it. Make heroes unkillable deeper inside the fountain, make enemy spells not work (hook, abaddon shield etc) Or make the game safe to leave when a certain tower/gold/xp deficit is reached just sell all your shit. buy a forcestaff. your ideas to fix the problem are all bad because it leads to defensive imbalances which the game isnt balanced around if icefrog wanted you to be unkillable in the fountain, you'd be unkillable | ||
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SolarFlare93
Australia301 Posts
On December 01 2013 08:40 Targe wrote: just sell all your shit. buy a forcestaff. your ideas to fix the problem are all bad because it leads to defensive imbalances which the game isnt balanced around if icefrog wanted you to be unkillable in the fountain, you'd be unkillable Defensive imbalances - I agree to a certain extent where you would get a massive defender's advantage as you can just retreat into the fountain, regenerate all your HP and you're invulnerable, walk out etc. There many be other scenarios I may not mention but that "just sell all your shit. buy a forcestaff" is completely situational as well; imagine in a game you're just getting shit on and you have no farm at all as any hero. Your thinking is oversimplified and assuming the game is close which means you won't get fountain camped. Also, a way to overcome this fountain camping phenomena could potentially be a timer for heroes around the fountain. If the enemy heroes stay within an area around the fountain, where the game is obviously lost (not sure how this will be determined though), then the fountain gains some insane damage or grants invulnerability within the regen area + inability to kill enemy heroes for the time being. Might be a bad idea though... | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
Also, lol at this "what Icefrog wants" thing.. he's not infallible. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
And they did make the fountain area harder to camp in Dota 2 by adding the walls and vision blockers but I don't think it's sufficient. Maybe put it on high ground, but in my opinion, it's not that big of a problem. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On December 01 2013 09:13 Quotidian wrote: there's no "defenders advantage" at the fountain.. you only gain passive gold and no XP. The other team will outfarm you and eventually win anyway. Also, lol at this "what Icefrog wants" thing.. he's not infallible. defenders advantage i was only talking about if those changes went through and im saying the game wont change unless icefrog wants it /e AFK now, time to think up 4k | ||
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juracule
292 Posts
But now I just keep getting matched with absolute retards. Dropped from 51.7% winrate all they way down to 51.1% with about 2k games played. And then when I check the dotabuff page I see I am getting paired with some 48% winrate scrublet with 600 games who "rushes" a 35 min vanguard. Seriously valve, what the fuck. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On November 30 2013 16:05 hacklebeast wrote: What is ball lightning? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 01 2013 14:09 juracule wrote: Like a month ago I had really nice games, very close every single time. But now I just keep getting matched with absolute retards. Dropped from 51.7% winrate all they way down to 51.1% with about 2k games played. And then when I check the dotabuff page I see I am getting paired with some 48% winrate scrublet with 600 games who "rushes" a 35 min vanguard. Seriously valve, what the fuck. Lol, you dropped .4% winrate without playing any more games. That's impressive. On November 25 2013 04:35 juracule wrote: Went from a 51.7 winrate to a 51.5 winrate with 2000 games played over the span of a weekend, due to getting paired with people with a 48% winrate. Volvo wat is dis matchmaking. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
TL DR : When behind, get more behind | ||
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