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On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage
4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly.
Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least.
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On October 30 2013 16:46 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage 4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly. Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least.
I didn't say anything about low prio. Vote kick out of the game and that's it. I don't care about low priority I think that concept is stupid. As for concede, it would take all five team members. If all five want to give up after 1 tower, so be it. vote kick should take 4, concede should take 5.
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Peoples attitudes change. It doesn't take much to get one guy to go "GG ff at XXmins", and then people don't try to make a comeback, they just wait around doing meaningless things until the arbitrary cut-off point.
Also, with votekick 5/5 concede is meaningless. Kick the 5th, then ff is basically 4/5 ff.
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On October 30 2013 17:04 MurDeRsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 16:46 Excludos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage 4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly. Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least. I didn't say anything about low prio. Vote kick out of the game and that's it. I don't care about low priority I think that concept is stupid. As for concede, it would take all five team members. If all five want to give up after 1 tower, so be it. vote kick should take 4, concede should take 5.
Concede still doesn't work.
If one person calls for a concede they've basically given up and its either 4 v 5 or worse when more people stop trying as well. If Four people call for it and there's still a chance to win the game they'll just abuse the one who refuses to concede. People will also use it to grief if the team legitimately wants to concede by refusing to.
I agree concede would sometimes be great, especially when you've been Raxed and the other team is refusing to finish. Maybe something where the option becomes available after you've lost all of your Rax or are X far behind in gold/experience, but I don't know how you would decide on what that point is.
The option would be nice at times, but I don't think it's worth the potential abuse.
edit: posted before I was finished typing
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Why is it all the Naga Sirens on my team lately are the biggest idiots I've ever seen? Their ultimate screw up all the spells the team casts and then results in our deaths... Alternatively they have the mental capacity of a suicide bomber throughout all game in the wrong places and retreat when we have the advantage ugh.
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On October 30 2013 17:52 Audle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 17:04 MurDeRsc2 wrote:On October 30 2013 16:46 Excludos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage 4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly. Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least. I didn't say anything about low prio. Vote kick out of the game and that's it. I don't care about low priority I think that concept is stupid. As for concede, it would take all five team members. If all five want to give up after 1 tower, so be it. vote kick should take 4, concede should take 5. Concede still doesn't work. If one person calls for a concede they've basically given up and its either 4 v 5 or worse when more people stop trying as well.
You'd be surprised how easily those people change their minds as soon as the wind starts blowing their way.
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On October 30 2013 17:52 Audle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 17:04 MurDeRsc2 wrote:On October 30 2013 16:46 Excludos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage 4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly. Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least. I didn't say anything about low prio. Vote kick out of the game and that's it. I don't care about low priority I think that concept is stupid. As for concede, it would take all five team members. If all five want to give up after 1 tower, so be it. vote kick should take 4, concede should take 5. Concede still doesn't work. If one person calls for a concede they've basically given up and its either 4 v 5 or worse when more people stop trying as well. If Four people call for it and there's still a chance to win the game they'll just abuse the one who refuses to concede. People will also use it to grief if the team legitimately wants to concede by refusing to. I agree concede would sometimes be great, especially when you've been Raxed and the other team is refusing to finish. Maybe something where the option becomes available after you've lost all of your Rax or are X far behind in gold/experience, but I don't know how you would decide on what that point is. The option would be nice at times, but I don't think it's worth the potential abuse. edit: posted before I was finished typing
I was really advocating adding concede to dota until I played league of legend for a little bit (my laptop can't handle dota2). This shit ruins game, as soon as their lane is hard people stop trying and start to spam concede. If the option of conceding is here if one guy in your team is having a bad game he will have every incentive to make things go even worse in order to convince the others to vote for the concede.
Not to mention that it makes games end in a very anti-climatic way. A lot of leagues game are about getting an advantage in laning and having the other team concede as soon as 20 minutes have passed.
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Last time I played league one guy wanted to concede when we were up like 30-15 because he fed all the time
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Tiny, youre the only hero on our team capable of carrying, please go for a carry build.
*makes arcane boots into blink*
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just lost a game because people don't want to make proper engage while we had an advantage 
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random bat, go vanguard 1st
random am, go vanguard 1st
great team
remove randoming plzzz
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On October 30 2013 23:13 zezamer wrote:
random bat, go vanguard 1st
random am, go vanguard 1st
great team
remove randoming plzzz
An idiot told me it can be disassembled and called me retarded and go read patch notes. I laughed.
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On October 30 2013 17:04 MurDeRsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 16:46 Excludos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:17 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Anybody else feel there aren't nearly enough ways to deal with griefers/game ruiners? Every single day I have games where players intentionally feed or otherwise ruin the game and there is no way to punish them. There's no votekick, reports are a fucking joke. There's no concede for games that are over early. I find it incredibly frustrating... why hasn't valve added votekick and/or concede? There's no worry for abuse, you don't kick players that are actively trying to help you win the game. You also don't concede unless its a unanimous 5 man vote. What is the harm of adding this?
/rage 4 man russian team: "Cyka blyat lol noob u skil bear on sylla all votekick!" and then you're in low prio for a week. No thanks, this WILL get abused, badly. Conceding has been discussed to death on this forum. I wanted it at first as well, but have come to agree its a bad idea as well. There are too many people willing to give up after the first tower is dead or "gg concede mid gave firstblood", and then report you if you don't click yes. I believe Icefrog has commented on it himself saying he wants the possibility for comebacks to be in the game. It might not be such a problem in the upper brackets where people know whether they can still win or not, but people in the lower brackets tend to give up much more easily, is my experience at least. I didn't say anything about low prio. Vote kick out of the game and that's it. I don't care about low priority I think that concept is stupid. As for concede, it would take all five team members. If all five want to give up after 1 tower, so be it. vote kick should take 4, concede should take 5.
To be fair, I had a game yesterday where a feeding stormspirit still building bloodstone at 32 minutes disconnected and abandoned. We sold his items, enjoyed the extra gold, and came back to win. It probably helped us that he did that.
The most amusing part is that he reconnected while we were taking the throne, probably surprised as hell.
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Why the FUCK is captain assignment not just random in Captains Draft?
Instead what happens is: you get the same fucking retards hammering at the button who would instalock something like a Riki in allpick and then drafting a team of:
AM, Omni, ET, TA, Tinker
THEN they of course pick the AM, farm a 15 minute Vlads and get all surprised when the BH playing solo vs their dual lane gets a lvl advantage.
Sigh...
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On October 30 2013 11:40 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 11:13 Appendix wrote:On October 30 2013 10:59 Quotidian wrote:On October 30 2013 08:41 sluggaslamoo wrote:On October 30 2013 04:49 Quotidian wrote:
just played a game as a veno (on dire) with a moron of an Elder Titan on my team.. when asked why he didn't get stomp vs the enemy sand king, he said he was going "0-4-4-0" and refused to explain why he tought that was a good idea. This also meant he didn't get his ult until 9, and we had no other disables on our team. What's worse, there were a couple team fights on the highground near the radiant ancients - PERFECT place for ET ulti.. Add to that how he started feeding a lot at level 8 and his ult was even more delayed, and yeah.. pubs, man. I hate when you are doing everything correctly, and some smart-ass who doesn't understand the game is constantly telling you how to play and blaming you for everything, even though he's wrong. is that some kind of dig at me? 0-4-4-0 is a shitty build if you don't build a team-wide strat around it, picks and all. Just blindly aping some pro isn't doing "everything correctly". It's being a moron.. and in this case, a feeding moron too, 0-4-4-0 doesnt require a team to be built around it, its a strong build in a vacuum. false
Please describe then how his ult and stomp, which is are most effective with a setup and reliant on your team mates not waking your opponents up, is less teamplay reliant than his passive aura and his instant AoE nuke which boosts his MS and dmg?
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HAHAHAHA
Page 6 game
SD that suicides 1v1 against a Skywrath cause he thinks he can kill him at level 1, get raped
Leaves the game
GREAT JOB VALVE
Amazing Matchmaking proving once again to be extremely well designed
oh and did I mention this SD was russian?
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On October 31 2013 01:22 Fatalize wrote:
HAHAHAHA
Page 6 game
SD that suicides 1v1 against a Skywrath cause he thinks he can kill him at level 1, get raped
Leaves the game
GREAT JOB VALVE
Amazing Matchmaking proving once again to be extremely well designed
oh and did I mention this SD was russian?
I don't see how that's match making's fault?
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I really just don't get why there are so many Russians when I play on US-E. How does it work, are they queuing on US-E or does it just expand their search area to include it? Why do they do this!??
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On October 31 2013 02:11 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:22 Fatalize wrote:
HAHAHAHA
Page 6 game
SD that suicides 1v1 against a Skywrath cause he thinks he can kill him at level 1, get raped
Leaves the game
GREAT JOB VALVE
Amazing Matchmaking proving once again to be extremely well designed
oh and did I mention this SD was russian? I don't see how that's match making's fault?
Matching people that have hundreds of games but still obviously suck balls and are also leavers at what's supposed to be the few top % of the players is not a sign of a shit matchmaking? Well
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The mute system. Ok, so maybe I talked a little trash, maybe I can't communicate nicely with my teammates sometimes. But if someone isn't communicating well, the proper punishment is not to TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE. I mean if someone doesn't like me they're more than welcome to mute my ass, but whether you're a trashtalker or an angel in human form sometimes you REALLY NEED TO TELL TOP LANE THAT PUDGE IS COMING
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