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On July 23 2013 06:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Seems like people just want to shift blame over to match-making. Anyone who's played any online game knows that games played means nothing at all.
Like seeing a SC2 player with 1000+ wins deservedly in Bronze/Silver. Or someone in Plat with 1000+ wins doing a one-base double Starport Cloak Banshee.
These people completely outplay us when we get them, they generally take ancient before 30 mins or whatever, I wouldn't be complaining about it if it wasn't unwinnable.
As for my QQ: Nyx telling me as drow to stop last hitting because he needs his farm.
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On July 23 2013 06:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Seems like people just want to shift blame over to match-making. Anyone who's played any online game knows that games played means nothing at all.
Like seeing a SC2 player with 1000+ wins deservedly in Bronze/Silver. Or someone in Plat with 1000+ wins doing a one-base double Starport Cloak Banshee.
Match making is the new "But I was matched with a 5 stack and they just rocked me and my team failed". Now its "The matchmaking put me with new players and we all died because my MMR was so amazing it pulled in a nearly pro team that killed us. If only Valve woud put me with people that could support my greatness".
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I would still say games played matters to some extent. Even if a player with 200 matches is roughly as good as me, there's still some things he doesn't know about that a more experienced player would know, since dota is a very complex game. For example, one thing I noticed about players with few matches played (relatively) is they have a hard time gauging how a game is going (if we are winning, loosing etc). One bad teamfight and it seems most newer players thinks it's GG while in reality our carries are farmed and it was only the opponents supports who got gold and xp from the fight for example.
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On July 23 2013 07:06 BigO wrote:
I would still say games played matters to some extent. Even if a player with 200 matches is roughly as good as me, there's still some things he doesn't know about that a more experienced player would know, since dota is a very complex game. For example, one thing I noticed about players with few matches played (relatively) is they have a hard time gauging how a game is going (if we are winning, loosing etc). One bad teamfight and it seems most newer players thinks it's GG while in reality our carries are farmed and it was only the opponents supports who got gold and xp from the fight for example.
And how many games you've played is also a factor in matchmaking..just not a very big one. Neither should it. I've seen people with 1000 games not know that you can't jungle a fucking Shadow Fiend from lvl 1. While others come from wc3 dota background or other similar arts games, and picks up the reigns rather quickly.
The preemptive "gg" is so fucking annoying, even more so when it comes out at seemingly random times "gg" because you lost a teamfight while still being ahead in towers, gold, kills, levels, and all their big ulties are now off the field for 2 minutes. "gg" because no one bought wards at the beginning. "gg" because our carry got picked off from a smoke gank. "gg" because you got picked off from trying to push their T3 alone while the rest of us are at roshan. Whiners who gives up at the slightest inconvenience. It's not because they can't gauge the game properly, It's because they don't want to gauge the game properly.
I can't express how glad I am that there's no concede button in this game.
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I have around 280 wins.
I just got matched with a 760 win player.
HE WAS THE WORST FUCKING OMNI I HAVE EVER SEEN.
0 support item. Arcane boots, then Aghanims. We fought 4vs5, while he chilled around pushing another lane. No ult.
A solo Troll comes visiting him? Ulti.
We tried pushing their last T3 tower? He stood in range, got down to 20% HP by Sniper chipping away at him. Didnt react at all.
No Repels. Ults only after people got killed.
Yeah... your win-count means shit. So if you QQ about someone who has less wins than you in your same game? You're probably shit yourself.
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You guys realise that "I got matched with this 9,999-wins dude and he was bad, therefore there is absolutely no correlation between win count and ability" is an even dumber statement than what you're raging against, right?
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On July 23 2013 08:22 Belisarius wrote:
You guys realise that "I got matched with this 9,999-wins dude and he was bad, therefore there is absolutely no correlation between win count and ability" is an even dumber statement than what you're raging against, right?
I'm raging at a shit player.
And I rage at players who say "X has so few wins in my games, he must suck!"
If you're a player with a high amount of wins and dont QQ at your teammates (with low wins) and you know MMR = MMR and != wins then I'm not raging at you.
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On July 23 2013 06:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Seems like people just want to shift blame over to match-making. Anyone who's played any online game knows that games played means nothing at all.
Like seeing a SC2 player with 1000+ wins deservedly in Bronze/Silver. Or someone in Plat with 1000+ wins doing a one-base double Starport Cloak Banshee.
You're pointing at extreme outliers to discredit a metric only used for really rough approximations. No one is saying games play can be used to accurately deduce a player's skill. It's not entirely bullshit either though. As a general trend, people improve by playing more games. On average, people with more games played are more skilled. Is this always the case? No. Does this mean there's absolutely no correlation? No.
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Where did all these leavers come from? I swear everyone from WC3 dota has come back just so they can leave after first blood.
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On July 23 2013 08:46 Vod.kaholic wrote:
Where did all these leavers come from? I swear everyone from WC3 dota has come back just so they can leave after first blood.
"Mid no gank, im outta here guyz"
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The feeling when me and my team throw a game to a Sniper because we are retarded and pick too many melee heroes, take terrible teamfights and overall play like shit.
Do I learn anything from this? Hopefully I at least start to figure out which heroes I shouldn't pick against opposing lineups.
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On July 23 2013 08:27 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 08:22 Belisarius wrote:
You guys realise that "I got matched with this 9,999-wins dude and he was bad, therefore there is absolutely no correlation between win count and ability" is an even dumber statement than what you're raging against, right? I'm raging at a shit player. And I rage at players who say "X has so few wins in my games, he must suck!" If you're a player with a high amount of wins and dont QQ at your teammates (with low wins) and you know MMR = MMR and != wins then I'm not raging at you.
What you're raging at isn't the point. The point is that in doing so, you're making an absolute statement which is significantly sillier than the people you're responding to.
Wins are different to MMR. Someone can have low wins and be good (ie. a smurf), or high wins and be bad (ie. bad). However, when the 10-wins player picks sniper and autoattacks, he's probably genuinely new. His presence in a game where the other team is dewarding and smoking is thus a legitimate thing to comment on.
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I'm so bad, I can't stop feeding! Sorry anyone who plays with me xD
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On July 23 2013 08:41 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 06:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Seems like people just want to shift blame over to match-making. Anyone who's played any online game knows that games played means nothing at all.
Like seeing a SC2 player with 1000+ wins deservedly in Bronze/Silver. Or someone in Plat with 1000+ wins doing a one-base double Starport Cloak Banshee. You're pointing at extreme outliers to discredit a metric only used for really rough approximations. No one is saying games play can be used to accurately deduce a player's skill. It's not entirely bullshit either though. As a general trend, people improve by playing more games. On average, people with more games played are more skilled. Is this always the case? No. Does this mean there's absolutely no correlation? No.
Yeah...and guess what people are raging about? Outliers.
Yes, it correlates, which means the higher the MMR the higher the percentage of players that have high win numbers, as well as the converse. It does not mean that the matchmaker is fucking you up the ass because some guy has 1000+ wins in your newb game.
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Piece of shit Drow and Skele king safe lane uses cour at 2 min for stick and bracer recipe. IM TRYING TO GET MY BOTTLE TO ME FIRST.
MOTHER FUCKER TAKES MY BOTTLE CAUSE I WAS FIGHTING FOR CHICK. FUCK IM SO MAD.
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Introducing new Agh ult for heroes just makes it more frustrating because some pubs will just go straight for it and not get anything else. I had a silencer in my game go for Aghs because he said "we needed more crowd control". He could of gotten force + ghost scepter and lived against the enemy N'aix way easier. He ended up with 14+ deaths because he "couldn't do anything".
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On July 22 2013 21:20 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 15:59 smOOthMayDie wrote:
If I can't get past gold league in League of legends, my chances of ever being 'decent' at dota are slim to zero. I'm in high matchmaking in DotA 2 (not impressive at all) and I'm Bronze III in LoL. The skills don't necessarily translate.
How do you know its high matchmaking? Is there some sort of 'tell' that lets you know where you're currently at?
QQ: I'm having so much fucking trouble finding players to play with because I'm bad. Rage rage rage and no constructive criticism from anyone.
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On July 23 2013 09:09 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 08:27 Zocat wrote:On July 23 2013 08:22 Belisarius wrote:
You guys realise that "I got matched with this 9,999-wins dude and he was bad, therefore there is absolutely no correlation between win count and ability" is an even dumber statement than what you're raging against, right? I'm raging at a shit player. And I rage at players who say "X has so few wins in my games, he must suck!" If you're a player with a high amount of wins and dont QQ at your teammates (with low wins) and you know MMR = MMR and != wins then I'm not raging at you. What you're raging at isn't the point. The point is that in doing so, you're making an absolute statement which is significantly sillier than the people you're responding to. Wins are different to MMR. Someone can have low wins and be good (ie. a smurf), or high wins and be bad (ie. bad). However, when the 10-wins player picks sniper and autoattacks, he's probably genuinely new. His presence in a game where the other team is dewarding and smoking is thus a legitimate thing to comment on.
Either I'm not able to convey what I want to say (Eng not my native language, possible).
Or you're not able to understand it (since you're a native speaker I doubt it)
Or you're a retard.
Or you're deliberately misunderstanding me.
Wins are different to MMR. That's my whole point. People who just QQ about wins are retarded.
Never in my whole scenario which I described I was talking about autoattacking 10win Snipers.
That 750 win Omni QQed about his sub 500win teammates. And he was the bad player. Because he was the guy who was basically "autoattacking".
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On July 23 2013 09:54 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 21:20 Witten wrote:On July 22 2013 15:59 smOOthMayDie wrote:
If I can't get past gold league in League of legends, my chances of ever being 'decent' at dota are slim to zero. I'm in high matchmaking in DotA 2 (not impressive at all) and I'm Bronze III in LoL. The skills don't necessarily translate. How do you know its high matchmaking? Is there some sort of 'tell' that lets you know where you're currently at? QQ: I'm having so much fucking trouble finding players to play with because I'm bad. Rage rage rage and no constructive criticism from anyone.
Yes. If you go to "watch" and click on recent games, you can filter yourself by typing your own nick, and then change between the "very high", "high" and "normal" skill level. It's a horrible way of trying to indicate to yourself how good you are. I've been in all 3 "brackets" on the same day depending on who I play with, so its not stable at all. There are also no brackets when you search in normal queue, as your it will be based on your mmr which is dynamic. I also think there is more going on in that "skill level" than just mmr, but thats speculating.
The truth is, its the only real piece of information we have available to us. And if you play enough you will start to notice where the majority of your games takes place, and you can sort of place yourself in that bracket.
my qq: Please give us more information so we can know if we're progressing or not! I know its a hard balance between whiners abusing this info, and actually helping people see what they're lacking. But please give us something. Make it private or something.
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