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smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
July 22 2013 06:59 GMT
#13021
If I can't get past gold league in League of legends, my chances of ever being 'decent' at dota are slim to zero.
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Netukka
Profile Joined June 2013
71 Posts
July 22 2013 09:14 GMT
#13022
Watching Fnatic decision making vs KP yesterday was just sad. After winning the laning phase (which they shouldnt have), they proceed to just make shitty decisions for the next 40 minutes. And their draft REALLY didnt agree with their playstyle.
deichkind
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden347 Posts
July 22 2013 09:40 GMT
#13023
people who play prohpet should be punch in the nuts repeatedly until they stop. cant count on how many games been lost to some idiot afk farming jungle while we loose every lane because hes to busy cliff jungling with his 12min midas....


oh and spirit breaker fuck that hero....
Meerel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 12:01:24
July 22 2013 12:00 GMT
#13024
i love losing to players with 89 wins rofl

if they dont change matcmaking soon this game will just die.......its so fucking bad...only frustration every game
SDMF
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 12:03:43
July 22 2013 12:01 GMT
#13025
On July 22 2013 15:59 smOOthMayDie wrote:
If I can't get past gold league in League of legends, my chances of ever being 'decent' at dota are slim to zero.

That's like saying you won't be a good footballplayer, because you suck at basketball. Those games are kinda similar in terms of being played with a ball, but yet they different. Kinda like LoL and DotA. Don't give up and if you need any help, feel free to msg me.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
July 22 2013 12:20 GMT
#13026
On July 22 2013 15:59 smOOthMayDie wrote:
If I can't get past gold league in League of legends, my chances of ever being 'decent' at dota are slim to zero.


I'm in high matchmaking in DotA 2 (not impressive at all) and I'm Bronze III in LoL. The skills don't necessarily translate.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
Basic Basic
Profile Joined July 2013
Tuvalu52 Posts
July 22 2013 12:30 GMT
#13027
Sign up all pick. Instantly random Huskar.

Team proceeds to PICK (not random) Anti-Mage, PA, Natures Prophet, and Drow Ranger.

what the fuck.
Don't whine. Fix it.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
July 22 2013 12:43 GMT
#13028
On July 22 2013 10:46 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 08:55 Targe wrote:
Fuck you MM and your ridiculous matchings, yes a team of 400-800 wins is perfect against me and my friends and their 100 wins.

You do realize the number of wins has relatively little relation to skill?

No matter how many times you guys say this, it holds that someone who has played many games, most of the time, SHOULD be stronger than the average non-smurf who has significantly less wins.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
July 22 2013 12:48 GMT
#13029
On July 22 2013 21:43 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 10:46 Dfgj wrote:
On July 22 2013 08:55 Targe wrote:
Fuck you MM and your ridiculous matchings, yes a team of 400-800 wins is perfect against me and my friends and their 100 wins.

You do realize the number of wins has relatively little relation to skill?

No matter how many times you guys say this, it holds that someone who has played many games, most of the time, SHOULD be stronger than the average non-smurf who has significantly less wins.

Stacks have boosted MMR besides, maybe they wre just facing 5 random people when, they were stacking.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 13:08 GMT
#13030
Play rubic, attempt to steal to get starfall or stun-arrow-of-glory, but get leap instead. Sort of funny though, but not what I was looking for.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
July 22 2013 13:11 GMT
#13031
On July 22 2013 21:00 Meerel wrote:
i love losing to players with 89 wins rofl

if they dont change matcmaking soon this game will just die.......its so fucking bad...only frustration every game


They have to win against someone... My greatest QQ is people complaining about losing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 13:13 GMT
#13032
On July 22 2013 22:11 TiTanIum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 21:00 Meerel wrote:
i love losing to players with 89 wins rofl

if they dont change matcmaking soon this game will just die.......its so fucking bad...only frustration every game


They have to win against someone... My greatest QQ is people complaining about losing.

Yeah, we all have to win 50% of our games. Its sort of like complaining about wasting 50% of your day sleeping.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
July 22 2013 16:41 GMT
#13033
On July 22 2013 22:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:11 TiTanIum_ wrote:
On July 22 2013 21:00 Meerel wrote:
i love losing to players with 89 wins rofl

if they dont change matcmaking soon this game will just die.......its so fucking bad...only frustration every game


They have to win against someone... My greatest QQ is people complaining about losing.

Yeah, we all have to win 50% of our games. Its sort of like complaining about wasting 50% of your day sleeping.


Who sleeps 12 hours a day?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 16:55 GMT
#13034
On July 23 2013 01:41 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 22:11 TiTanIum_ wrote:
On July 22 2013 21:00 Meerel wrote:
i love losing to players with 89 wins rofl

if they dont change matcmaking soon this game will just die.......its so fucking bad...only frustration every game


They have to win against someone... My greatest QQ is people complaining about losing.

Yeah, we all have to win 50% of our games. Its sort of like complaining about wasting 50% of your day sleeping.


Who sleeps 12 hours a day?

Lucky people I guess. Still, its like complaining about sleeping or all the time you waste eating food. You have to lose games, otherwise why would we even play?(and who would we play against?)
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Meerel
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany713 Posts
July 22 2013 17:16 GMT
#13035
since they changed the mm last patch it got so fucking bad that every game i play is reatrded now.....every single one
SDMF
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 18:28:36
July 22 2013 18:25 GMT
#13036
On July 22 2013 10:46 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 08:55 Targe wrote:
Fuck you MM and your ridiculous matchings, yes a team of 400-800 wins is perfect against me and my friends and their 100 wins.

You do realize the number of wins has relatively little relation to skill?

These players also vastly outplay us, a 20 minute loss is not normal, it's not just me complaining about the number.

On July 22 2013 21:48 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 21:43 xAdra wrote:
On July 22 2013 10:46 Dfgj wrote:
On July 22 2013 08:55 Targe wrote:
Fuck you MM and your ridiculous matchings, yes a team of 400-800 wins is perfect against me and my friends and their 100 wins.

You do realize the number of wins has relatively little relation to skill?

No matter how many times you guys say this, it holds that someone who has played many games, most of the time, SHOULD be stronger than the average non-smurf who has significantly less wins.

Stacks have boosted MMR besides, maybe they wre just facing 5 random people when, they were stacking.


This happens both with a 5 man stack and with regular and with small stacks, we've had this quite a few times and I've finally had enough.

Also although wins don't directly correspond to better skill it's a reasonable assumption that someone with 500 wins is better than me with 82.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Shadetree
Profile Joined June 2012
United States11 Posts
July 22 2013 18:34 GMT
#13037
The recent patch I think has screwed up MM for me, I really thought it would help. Randomed TA immediately, then about 15 seconds later a guy picks Invoker. Not wanting to ruin the game by making him rage over it, I repicked ES and went support rather than fight him for mid. Rest of the teams picks are so-so, not terrible. Well, my safelane carry is autoattacking and pushing from level 1, I get no item despite my pulling and managing to get some assist gold later because I'm the sole hard support. Necrolyte does nothing but act confused all game. Invoker does okay, doesn't get any kills despite going max export, then quas, with one point wex in endgame. I wasn't frustrated all game, despite the fact that the enemy team was snowballing. Then my mind was blown.

Invoker starts talking over mic, saying he was sorry that he couldn't do anything in teamfights, because he had to farm because, "Invoker isn't good and can't fight or gank until he has Aghanims." My brain went blank, I didn't respond because I didn't know what to say to that.

Then, there was a Puck on the other team who I guess told them that he was smurfing and plays in MLG. He was good, but not that amazing. Their Enigma asks if Puck is good. I didn't understand, said yes, Puck is a good hero, especially with their lineup. Invoker says, no, Puck is one of the worst heroes and he's hardly ever picked because he was terrible. No, he wasn't joking because I was so confused I wanted to check his reasoning. Over voice he told me, "He's a caster support with bad DPS. Bad in teamfights too and can't gank." At this point I just stopped caring.
Batcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina72 Posts
July 22 2013 18:38 GMT
#13038
20 minute losses are perhaps not the most common kind of loss but they are still normal.
All it takes is to lose all 3 lanes, which is not something highly unlikely.

From my experience, matchmaking seems to be working just fine as people are roughly of same skill level/make similar mistakes. At least if you take a look at the entire player base..
The occasional big skews can come from people playing role or a hero skill requirement they're not used to, or flat out terrible picks.
Some easymode heroes specifically come to mind heh.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 22 2013 21:14 GMT
#13039
Seems like people just want to shift blame over to match-making. Anyone who's played any online game knows that games played means nothing at all.

Like seeing a SC2 player with 1000+ wins deservedly in Bronze/Silver. Or someone in Plat with 1000+ wins doing a one-base double Starport Cloak Banshee.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 22 2013 21:40 GMT
#13040
On July 23 2013 03:34 Shadetree wrote:
The recent patch I think has screwed up MM for me, I really thought it would help. Randomed TA immediately, then about 15 seconds later a guy picks Invoker. Not wanting to ruin the game by making him rage over it, I repicked ES and went support rather than fight him for mid. Rest of the teams picks are so-so, not terrible. Well, my safelane carry is autoattacking and pushing from level 1, I get no item despite my pulling and managing to get some assist gold later because I'm the sole hard support. Necrolyte does nothing but act confused all game. Invoker does okay, doesn't get any kills despite going max export, then quas, with one point wex in endgame. I wasn't frustrated all game, despite the fact that the enemy team was snowballing. Then my mind was blown.

Invoker starts talking over mic, saying he was sorry that he couldn't do anything in teamfights, because he had to farm because, "Invoker isn't good and can't fight or gank until he has Aghanims." My brain went blank, I didn't respond because I didn't know what to say to that.

Then, there was a Puck on the other team who I guess told them that he was smurfing and plays in MLG. He was good, but not that amazing. Their Enigma asks if Puck is good. I didn't understand, said yes, Puck is a good hero, especially with their lineup. Invoker says, no, Puck is one of the worst heroes and he's hardly ever picked because he was terrible. No, he wasn't joking because I was so confused I wanted to check his reasoning. Over voice he told me, "He's a caster support with bad DPS. Bad in teamfights too and can't gank." At this point I just stopped caring.


You deserve a pat on your shoulder, brother, that first paragraph sounds like a dejavu to me. Yup, i can not remember all these countless games where team just forced s*** into my mouth, i knew if i went mid/carry i could have played 10times better than them but no s*** can be done when you are in a game like that.....

Just go carry/mid/hardlane. And you need to stop caring immediately after you saw him auto last hitting, push the tower for the tower gold and gtfo to help the other lanes, that way you are helping the weaker team mates and at the same time you are buying time for him to farm (pray to god he will get his items...), and if he get ganked it is fine as long as you guys are taking towers.

Feels like dota2 is slowly becoming another game that i have played before.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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