Dota 2 QQ thread - Page 623

On July 08 2013 05:58 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Lastly apparently there's now some disconnect issue on EU west servers which prevent you from reconnecting. In the 2 games I had today I was in a great position before this happened. No more Dota for me today.

On July 08 2013 01:50 shizaep wrote:
People that are like, "omg finish fast plz. plz finish" and then proceed to vigorously defend their high ground, try to push out their lanes and get kills.

Bro, that is not a time to say "finish plz." Every pub game I have at least one douchebag that does that. If you're going to "give up" like that, camp your fountain. Otherwise, don't be a retard and type that shit in all chat.

On July 08 2013 01:50 shizaep wrote:
People that are like, "omg finish fast plz. plz finish" and then proceed to vigorously defend their high ground, try to push out their lanes and get kills.

Bro, that is not a time to say "finish plz." Every pub game I have at least one douchebag that does that. If you're going to "give up" like that, camp your fountain. Otherwise, don't be a retard and type that shit in all chat.

On July 08 2013 09:34 Excludos wrote:


And then they mock you for not being able to finish...

In one game, I said "If you're asking us to finish, why are you defending?" and I kid you not, the answer was "Just cuz I say FF doesnt mean I let you win".

On July 08 2013 09:52 SnipedSoul wrote:
The amount of people who demand to lane together with their friend regardless of their heroes is annoying. I don't care if he's your friend, void should not lane with tidehunter.

On July 08 2013 09:52 Belisarius wrote:


That's a fairly normal response.

If the game is unwinnable but the enemy's carries refuse to come out of jungle coz gotta get that second rapier, "hurry up" doesn't necessarily mean "I solemnly swear to afk fountain." It just means "stop farming and come win. I would prefer to die to heroes than watch my towers die to creeps over the course of 20 more minutes."

On July 08 2013 10:58 dibojulister wrote:


I get a lot of these games too. Funny how stacking sometimes lessons your odds of winning, depending on the stack.

On July 08 2013 11:14 Excludos wrote:


If you say ff, and then proceed to defend your T3 with everything you got, then you're being a douche. You're attempting to bait your opponents into switching a tactics that work for them. If you honestly thought the game had zero chance of being winable, then why bother continue playing it? You're not going to learn anything more in it, and you're certainly not having a good time.

Equivalent of this would be to write "gg" in sc2, and then continue playing till your last building dies.

On July 08 2013 11:54 Belisarius wrote:


Sure, except it's one player saying "gg" when there's 4 other players on his team who didn't say anything. That parallel is only relevant in stack vs.stack. Manipulating tactics? You're giving the pub hivemind way too much credit.

Also, if you chill at fountain and the other team continues to take their sweet time winning, you'll get an afk abandon. That's a pretty strong incentive to go back to the fights.

Plus, who listens to the other team in a pub anyway? Chances are they've got a guy who calls gg after first blood. That doesn't mean the rest agree. If it's at a stage where everyone does agree, the game is usually so blatantly lost that the enemy carry could 1v5 fountain dive while the t3s are up and it wouldn't matter.

On July 08 2013 12:29 Excludos wrote:


There is a pretty big difference between "you" and "team. If you say gg, I expect you to give up. Not the rest of your team. You don't just start defending with everything you got and say "doesn't mean I'm going to let you win", that's just childish. I do know about the abandon factor. But surely you should be able to figure a way around that which doesn't include constantly sending illuminates down the ramp while screaming "End ff ffs noobs!"?

On July 08 2013 14:07 Mithhaike wrote:

You expect wrong. When I ask people to end fast,it usually means their so far ahead they will win on the next push, instead they decide to go back to farming for no apparent reason. This is a waste of time for both you and me.

Even when I ask people to end fast, it doesn't mean you get a free win. It basically means to stop wasting time and come end us, we won't go down without a fight though. Where's the fun when people just give up and roll over to die? I rather die in a fight & lose the ancient then to just sit in fountain waiting for creeps to end me.

You call my behaviour childish? I call it valor.
The other team's decision to not end the game and instead go back to farming is what I call childish and a huge waste of time. Respect your opponents enough to give him the finishing blow instead of toying around with him.

On July 08 2013 14:32 EvilTeletubby wrote:


Wait, so you basically don't think that "gg" or "fast finish" is a concession then? I think you grossly misunderstand the concept of why people say it.

Also, isn't it counter-intuitive that you complain about them 'wasting your time' by not pushing, but it's ok to "fight them to the end even though you know you lost"? Isn't that the SAME EXACT THING?!?

:-\

On July 08 2013 15:26 Myrddraal wrote:


Hm I can understand the want to go out in a final battle, but at the same time I agree that the end result will be exactly the same.

I think the best way to act, assuming you are not one to concede and idle in the fountain, would be to go for one last push as a team and have a glorious last stand that way. I think that what Mithhaike is saying is pretending to be honorable, but really he wants them to come into his base where he might have a slightly better chance to win in which case it is just as lame as sitting back and farming. Of course, there is always the chance that you go for your final push, the other team wipes you and still continues to farm, but by this time I am assuming you are already 2-3 rax down, and it shouldn't take too long for the mega creeps to finish the job while everyone is dead.