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On June 29 2013 02:52 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:09 sacrilegious wrote:
You're trolling me right? Have you ever even played against Treant lately, let alone one that living armors himself and has stout shield? Do you also believe Bane has an endless mana supply, and has an awesome long range attack to harass like Lina does? But whatever you believe just to make yourself sound right
I suggest you read up on some threads and discussions about living armor that have popped up quite a lot around various dota forums in the last few weeks, and also see why pros have actually picked and banned treant with higher frequency, before you give me crap about auto winning a lane that has Treant to negate most of the harass... Lol learn how to play Misplay your lane, look for excuses, relieve yourself of any responsibilty, and bitch out your teammates because you think they didnt play well. You sound like an amazing person to have on a team
Excuse me, I don't want to be a d*ck. But looking at how you conclude this QQ post, you might be the person who is "AMAZING" to play with.
Just wondering why people like you taking this thread SO hard that suddenly you became sarcastic and not being nice at all. Giving advice to someone is not that big of a deal. Trust me.
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Bah, goddamn, I fucking hate periods of time where you play like utter garbage. I'm the chillest dude when it's somebody else who obviously loses us the game or something, but nothing quite gets me as mad as when the bad play is completely mine.
My last four games have all been heroes I've played for the first time, but they aren't DIFFICULT heroes to understand. The last game was a Juggernaut game, I missed the first, like, 10 last hits on a perfectly normal ping. This doubly sucked because I went quelling blade first, and was getting right click harassed, so I couldn't even make the gold required to pick up a stout shield.
I fuck up first blood by accidentally attacking a creep instead of chasing the hero, I boned up pretty much every omni, ran into Viper like an idiot (despite being fully aware of his abilities), and ditto on the Death Prophet ult. The worst part is, the rest of my team didn't even play particularly bad, this was me taking the safe lane farm and doing nothing with it. QQ
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On June 29 2013 06:36 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero. She's one of those "lol, I can tank forever!" type of heroes. But since she doesn't dish out a lot of damage before 50 min mark, pubs don't know how to make use of her.
I'm scared by heroes like that, because even more true than 'pubs cant farm' is 'pubs cant stop someone farming'.
There's this stupid line of logic that goes like the following: 'X hero sucks, therefore we don't need to gank them/harass them. Why are we losing to X, that hero sucks.' Place any pubstomper (frequently sniper) or a hardcarry in X, and welcome to Dota pubs.
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On June 29 2013 11:59 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 06:36 Excludos wrote:On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero. She's one of those "lol, I can tank forever!" type of heroes. But since she doesn't dish out a lot of damage before 50 min mark, pubs don't know how to make use of her. I'm scared by heroes like that, because even more true than 'pubs cant farm' is 'pubs cant stop someone farming'. There's this stupid line of logic that goes like the following: 'X hero sucks, therefore we don't need to gank them/harass them. Why are we losing to X, that hero sucks.' Place any pubstomper (frequently sniper) or a hardcarry in X, and welcome to Dota pubs.
Other stupid line of reasoning is "their lategame is better than ours, lets go rambo and dive towers at 10 minutes way before any of us have core items up, cause we gotta end it before lategame".
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On June 29 2013 11:59 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 06:36 Excludos wrote:On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero. She's one of those "lol, I can tank forever!" type of heroes. But since she doesn't dish out a lot of damage before 50 min mark, pubs don't know how to make use of her. I'm scared by heroes like that, because even more true than 'pubs cant farm' is 'pubs cant stop someone farming'. There's this stupid line of logic that goes like the following: 'X hero sucks, therefore we don't need to gank them/harass them. Why are we losing to X, that hero sucks.' Place any pubstomper (frequently sniper) or a hardcarry in X, and welcome to Dota pubs.
All except 1 Medusa game I've played results in:
-Decent laning phase, usually grab a kill (RESPECT THE SNAKE)
-AFK midgame (le Harry Einsfeld face)
-maybe a teamfight in my lane as they consider 5-manning me (press R->right click->press W->EZ)
-aside from TPing out of jungle because ganks, never cross the mid lane/river
-40 mins "Okay I got my linkens/skadi-Manta-Butterfly"
-Just gotta farm a rapier and I'll b
The enemy's middle barracks has fallen
The enemy's middle barracks has fallen
Uh guys
The enemy's top tower has fallen
The enemy's top barracks has fallen
Wait but I didn't even get to play yet...
RADIANT VICTORY
Medusa 3-1-2 Items:yes GPM:Loads
A win's a win, but it makes me feel empty.
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On June 29 2013 09:40 Chill Penguin wrote:First time replying in this thread, but I'm feeling so frustrated after the game I feel the need to vent. TL:DR We had 2 rax down, the enemy throne was down to 19 hp and we lost.
I don't get angry at bad players, I don't rage and report people because they're 'noob'. I'm a very calm Dota player but the one thing that does frustrate me is bad decision makers in regards to raxing / killing throne. This game was like a nightmare for me. We had just assaulted the enemy base, finished off mid rax and started taking down the towers at throne. I was having a big game (27-2-7 with Bloodseeker at that point) and victory seemed assure. It's 4v4 and Jugg Omnislashes into a pack of 3 trying to be a hero without the team engaging with him. The rest are then forced to engage and we end up going 3-1 down in the fight and lose the aegis. While this is happening the creeps are banging on the throne and our Sven comes in very late since he was killed earlier. It was 2v4 with no way of successfully engaging the other heroes. He had 2 options, back off with our Skywrath or suicide into the throne (which had about 500 hp at the time). He chooses the worst option, he BKBs up, and runs in on the 4, their beastmaster immediately roars him down, and he drops in 2 seconds. The siege units brought the thrown down to an excruciating 19hp. That's unfortunate but things are still fine. After respawn Jugg calls for a smoke dive with just 3 heroes. I advise against it but he goes anyway. If they were going to actually dive the tower, fine. Pop omni ulti, repel Jugg and they might have succeeded. But they engaged in a team fight after they were revealed at the steps. They get wiped and the throw is well and truly on. We proceed to lose 2 teamfights when we should be split pushing the win as they were bigger than us at that point and the throw was complete. Score and match ID
They thought they were close to winning when they weren't, it sucks but sometimes people make dumb calls.
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Invisible != Invincible ffs when will people learn. >_>
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ima just start abandoning games if the other team picks treant. waste of time. global invincibility + heal is overpowered. who woulda guessed.
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CM mode, the guy drafts a nasty agressive trilane, SD lina naix versus their weak spectre nyx veno. He picks SD, he used disruption once during the laning phase, which resulted in a kill, he waited for so long that the ennemies NP and zeus (who dominated our OD mid -.-) reach 6, incoming shining storms over our head... We got raped. He seemed to have a clue about drafting but no clue about how to play what he drafts.
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On June 29 2013 12:15 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 11:59 Dfgj wrote:On June 29 2013 06:36 Excludos wrote:On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero. She's one of those "lol, I can tank forever!" type of heroes. But since she doesn't dish out a lot of damage before 50 min mark, pubs don't know how to make use of her. I'm scared by heroes like that, because even more true than 'pubs cant farm' is 'pubs cant stop someone farming'. There's this stupid line of logic that goes like the following: 'X hero sucks, therefore we don't need to gank them/harass them. Why are we losing to X, that hero sucks.' Place any pubstomper (frequently sniper) or a hardcarry in X, and welcome to Dota pubs. Other stupid line of reasoning is "their lategame is better than ours, lets go rambo and dive towers at 10 minutes way before any of us have core items up, cause we gotta end it before lategame".
Or you play against 4 carries, so our only semi'ish carry, lycan, decides to go for a battlefury first item because, and I quote "I can't take them lategame without farm".. Ironically they actually won against us in the 25m mark.
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Single Draft
Our team only has Riki as a carry
Enemy team gets Riki + Bristleback + Slardar
Fuck
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furion is to blame because he is not soloing their raxes non stop!
nvm i started getting items at the 40 minute mark
nvm i never got any items for the entire game
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
srsly, this whole ''blame it all on the furion if he is in your team" mentality is pissing me off so much
OMG WHY NO TP TO KILL BOUNTY HE IS 2 HP LEFT?
because he killed you from the bonus damage from casting shadow walk and I'm lvl 4 in the jungle without detection?
OMG WHY ARENT YOU BACKDOORING THEM
because i went for necro/sheep build which doesnt give me much backdoor potential?
god these fucking retards, i swear to god
and now with the mute system im not allowed to say anything so i have to just stand there and take abuses for 20 minutes straight.
fuck this shitty game, honestly
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QQ : ennemy OD ult our team : 4 insta death + one auto attack = RAMPAGE.
our OD ult ennemy team : barely puts strength underleveled heroes at half hp.
It is clear some abilities are vastly superior when used by ennemy team ; please fix this Valve.
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On June 29 2013 18:14 pyro19 wrote:
Single Draft
Our team only has Riki as a carry
Enemy team gets Riki + Bristleback + Slardar
Fuck
i dont get it. two rikis?
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On June 29 2013 03:48 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:14 sacrilegious wrote:On June 29 2013 02:37 iokke wrote:
Don't abuse the system to report ppl for having a bad game. Viper disruptor lane isn't much easier for omni silencer than tree/am lane for your heroes imo (doesnt excuse them mass feeding). + a safe-lane in a pubs doesn't mean all that much if there aren't many ganks (well safety is closer still).
I also don't feel that AM shoulda free-farmed vs your lane even with living armor, but it does make it much harder to push him out. Anyway hope your lose streak ends, but "abusing the crap out of report system" is lame. Im sure you had similarly shitty games.
Actually I've been quite vocal about the report system in the past including its abuse for non-communicative purposes, on both playdota.com and dev.dota2.com. I've also asked for Valve to make better ways to improve the mm system and provide better knowledge about playing the game fundamentally (which include buying wards, supports not contesting last hits with your carry, creep pulling, and updating their item builds for almost all their heroes especially with crappy vanguard). They refuse to do it at this point, while leaving the report system open up for abuse. I've resisted the temptation to report with bias, but game after game despite keeping the search range down while searching for a game, it just takes 1-2 allies and bad early game from them to ruin trying to play the game in its entirety. Multiply that by 6-7 games in a row, then ask what difference is it between providing me with a bad gaming experience where someone is vocally or chat abusing me versus not even having some common sense (as I listed above) in this game and feeding 3-4 deaths the first 10 minutes of the game? On June 29 2013 02:52 Ryrmidon wrote:
Lol learn how to play
Misplay your lane, look for excuses, relieve yourself of any responsibilty, and bitch out your teammates because you think they didnt play well. You sound like an amazing person to have on a team
I guess it's pointless to have a discussion about any detailed aspect of the heroes, their skills, and the situations when I can see you providing awesome informative responses. Axe says: A good day to you sir! Well what do you want. 2 heroes with good range, enfeeble, consume, ice blast.... vs 2 melee heroes who have no skill that lets them harass and absolutely zero kill potential. If you didn't have a field day in your lane you're bad and you misplayed your lane, there's no excuse. Your argument is basically "living armor, look it up bro". Living armor shouldn't be enough to let antimage farm comfortably in that lane, and if he did then you should have played better. Also the MM system generally does a good matching you with players of your skill. Obviously you'll get an exception every now and then but in general it's not nearly as bad as people say it is. If you're getting queued up with certain players, there's a reason. If you think their fundamentals suck then they're probably doing well enough in another category to be queued in your games. If you're actually as superior to them as you think you are then you won't get matched vs players of that level for long.
My word is by no means law here, but at least I play in the very high bracket so I at least I know something. But this is pure theorycrafting so take it with a grain of salt anyway.
Id say that lane comes down to the treant more than anything. If he knows how to pull the wave towards their tower and control the lane in general and then uses it to go around behind you and try to punch you in the face with living armor and stout shield, I'd say he should be able to do a pretty good job of giving AM free, or at least good, farm. You cant manfight him and you cant kill him through armor + shield. A well timed offensive blink from AM could also suddenly make you have two melee in your face ready to punch you, which you WILL need to back off from. And once the PMS + RoH is up on AM (which he should get) hes pretty much unharassable and need to be bursted or wont die.
Should, on the other hand, the treant not pull and generally just stay behind their lane (which you'll probably mostly see in the normal/high bracket), i suppose double ranged should eventually be able to outharass AM and force him back even through heals.
My two cents.
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On June 29 2013 18:33 SKYFISH_ wrote:
furion is to blame because he is not soloing their raxes non stop!
nvm i started getting items at the 40 minute mark
nvm i never got any items for the entire game
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
srsly, this whole ''blame it all on the furion if he is in your team" mentality is pissing me off so much
OMG WHY NO TP TO KILL BOUNTY HE IS 2 HP LEFT?
because he killed you from the bonus damage from casting shadow walk and I'm lvl 4 in the jungle without detection?
OMG WHY ARENT YOU BACKDOORING THEM
because i went for necro/sheep build which doesnt give me much backdoor potential?
god these fucking retards, i swear to god
and now with the mute system im not allowed to say anything so i have to just stand there and take abuses for 20 minutes straight.
fuck this shitty game, honestly
Just mute them for god's sake. I just played a game where someone said something retarded in the first couple of minutes; I muted everyone because I just wanted to play without any bullshit. 45 minutes later we win the game and I am relaxed as hell because I didn't have to listen to any stupid shit.
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On June 29 2013 20:01 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 18:33 SKYFISH_ wrote:
furion is to blame because he is not soloing their raxes non stop!
nvm i started getting items at the 40 minute mark
nvm i never got any items for the entire game
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
srsly, this whole ''blame it all on the furion if he is in your team" mentality is pissing me off so much
OMG WHY NO TP TO KILL BOUNTY HE IS 2 HP LEFT?
because he killed you from the bonus damage from casting shadow walk and I'm lvl 4 in the jungle without detection?
OMG WHY ARENT YOU BACKDOORING THEM
because i went for necro/sheep build which doesnt give me much backdoor potential?
god these fucking retards, i swear to god
and now with the mute system im not allowed to say anything so i have to just stand there and take abuses for 20 minutes straight.
fuck this shitty game, honestly
Just mute them for god's sake. I just played a game where someone said something retarded in the first couple of minutes; I muted everyone because I just wanted to play without any bullshit. 45 minutes later we win the game and I am relaxed as hell because I didn't have to listen to any stupid shit.
doesnt work.
they take their bullshit to the allchat and soon enough even people on the enemy team are flaming you...
back before this muting BS whenever something like this happened I'd simply return fire and I wouldnt be bothered because I knew at least those idiots were getting a hefty dose of their own medicine
now I cant talk back because one report = insta mute
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Can't even collect free wins with Furion lately, every time I pick him before the 0:00 mark there always is one guy that picks SB for the sole purpose of shutting me down. Meanwhile team goes "OMGWTFBBQ FURION NOOB DOES NO PUSH/FEEDS THE SB (that we already fed in lane)".
Outside AP the enemy team is always stacked with good teamfight stuns (at least 2 of Mag/Tide/SandK/Warlock/etc.) while have a ganking lineup that does not gank...
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On June 29 2013 18:33 SKYFISH_ wrote:
furion is to blame because he is not soloing their raxes non stop!
nvm i started getting items at the 40 minute mark
nvm i never got any items for the entire game
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
srsly, this whole ''blame it all on the furion if he is in your team" mentality is pissing me off so much
OMG WHY NO TP TO KILL BOUNTY HE IS 2 HP LEFT?
because he killed you from the bonus damage from casting shadow walk and I'm lvl 4 in the jungle without detection?
OMG WHY ARENT YOU BACKDOORING THEM
because i went for necro/sheep build which doesnt give me much backdoor potential?
god these fucking retards, i swear to god
and now with the mute system im not allowed to say anything so i have to just stand there and take abuses for 20 minutes straight.
fuck this shitty game, honestly
SKYFISH you must be the King of QQ. I see at least 2 posts from you everyday :D
On your topic - most of my pub games the Furions straight up suck and are to blame for the loss. It is like playing 4 v 5, cause all Furion thinks about is farming, stealing farm from carries and pushing towers despite us losing every teamfight we come to. Then they are not able to do shit to enemy carry anyways.
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