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On June 29 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote:What a great thread. + Show Spoiler [Unrelated QQ] +How come when I have a NP on my team he's a mentally handicapped completely afk in the jungle level 5 at 9 minutes and 0-0-0 at 15 minutes kind of guy, but when I'm against one he is 1-0-3 at 7 minutes already level 7 and a huge global presence? T_T
Call him to ganks.
If he does not see it, call him. Say, "TP bot behind XX and sprout". Or "Ulti Furion XX low health".
Specially when beginning playing Furion it is hard to really watch the map and know when to go or not.
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Well part of the complaint is that the other guy clearly didn't need any tips.
But we definitely did give him plenty of heads up on ganks etc. And I promise we started nicely too. He just legit had no interest in anything that wasn't afk farming the jungle (mega-slowly with no opposition. It wasn't even like he was fast despite dedicating himself so hard to the jungle).
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Would any1 else find it funny if "Well played!" on the chatwheel was replaced with something else for people who were muted without that person knowing?
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On June 29 2013 04:03 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Would any1 else find it funny if "Well played!" on the chatwheel was replaced with something else for people who were muted without that person knowing?
am "i'm trying to be a dick here" just to show their intentions?
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yeah. furions that save ulti for straight farm instead of nuking heroes in ganks are fucking awful.
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On June 29 2013 03:12 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:20 nojok wrote:
12 min dagger + manaboots on offlane support ES lol Lol that's amazing, belongs in the "good moments of DotA" thread. EDIT: Self-QQ I spectated a pub game of Furion, saw him do a pseudo-cliff-jungling build where he starts with 1 level of trees, takes the radiant easy camp while stacking the southern hard camp, clears another medium/hard camp, then TPs to the cliff to kill the double stack while maxing TP for global ganking support. It seemed to work for him, but the first time I tried it, my double stacked camp had the three ranged troll guys who apparently never missed shooting uphill, and I had no mana to summon treants for a while. I almost died, it was really embarrassing and slowed me down like mad.
Moral of the story?
Do not do this. This is not very good, unless you already scouted which creeps spawned there.
And even then, it is not very optimal. Since you used your W to get there, if there is a gank by either team you will need to have a TP with you to go help any lanes. And even then TP's only put you near the towers, so your global presence early game goes through the window.
Early game a single right click is, like, 8% of a Heroes' life. So if you manage to hit him once, it may mean the difference between first blood for your team or theirs. And a well placed sprout can mean a kill very early. I VERY rarely reach level 6 with 0-0-0. Usually it is 1-0-3 or something. Sometimes it can be 0-2-2, but almost never 0-0-0.
One way of doing this decently is starting with a clarity and a TP (and a few branches. for good measure) and skill W First. You can wait to see what creep spawns where before making the decision.
Usually I prefer to start with the enemies cliff-camp, then my own. Specially true if you're Radiant, but works for Dire are well, then go to jungle normally and save further W to help team.
Level 1 ganks are uncommon, specially in pubs. So you rarely needs your TP so early, and by the time the ganks start you will already have it up again, and a couple levels of trees, too.
I don't recommend TP farming, but you can do it if you want to.
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On June 29 2013 02:52 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:09 sacrilegious wrote:On June 29 2013 01:26 Ryrmidon wrote:On June 29 2013 00:23 sacrilegious wrote:On June 28 2013 21:32 Ryrmidon wrote:On June 28 2013 11:25 sacrilegious wrote:Just had a game as Bane, where our bot safe lane Omniknight and Silencer lost horribly to a Viper and Disruptor. Both feed early on going 0-3 or so the first 10 minutes. The game was AR and we only had 2 carries, a sniper (mid) and silencer. I knew we'd be screwed if Silencer didn't become a carry because their Viper was already fed, and they had an AM who literally free farmed because myself and Lich teammate couldn't do anything while Treant kept healing AM. So on top of feeding early on, Silencer does the following that makes me just facepalm... pulls creeps while Omniknight is solo'ing and dying, and does not even put a single point in Glaives until level 10. The amount of INT he could have stolen from about 4 kills during our teamfights in between that time would have put him back in the game, but nope stuck to maxing CotS after last word. Only items through the first 40 minutes were treads and aghanims (yes he rushed aghanims while feeding badly). Game went on and we made it close, but only because AM didn't push because Treant trolled. Eventually lost, bitched that Silencer some more for wasting my time. I swear to god if I wasn't out of reports I would have abused the crap out of that system and reported him with the bias knowing he was horrible and messed up my game right from the start. Oh yea that was like my 7th loss in a row in pubs http://dotabuff.com/matches/229726066 Anyone else find the hypocrisy here funny? You blame your bottom lane, a disadvantageous lane for losing, while you and Lich, who should have had a field day vs AM / Treant couldn't stop AM from farming. Disadvantageous because they were in safe lane? Disadvantageous because Omni can negate most of the harass taken while Silencer can potentially deal a shit ton of harass? Then again maybe you should have been in that game watching their positioning from the start. Lol apparently you also have no idea what living armor is either Boohoo. Youre 2 ranged supports going up vs 2 melees with absolutely no kill potential or form of harass. Learn to play, theres no excuse for not murdering that lane You're trolling me right? Have you ever even played against Treant lately, let alone one that living armors himself and has stout shield? Do you also believe Bane has an endless mana supply, and has an awesome long range attack to harass like Lina does? But whatever you believe just to make yourself sound right I suggest you read up on some threads and discussions about living armor that have popped up quite a lot around various dota forums in the last few weeks, and also see why pros have actually picked and banned treant with higher frequency, before you give me crap about auto winning a lane that has Treant to negate most of the harass... Lol learn how to play Misplay your lane, look for excuses, relieve yourself of any responsibilty, and bitch out your teammates because you think they didnt play well. You sound like an amazing person to have on a team
Sounds like you take this game way too seriously my friend.
Also if anyone reports someone just because they aren't "good enough" for your level of play, you need to step away from the game for a little while. The only time you report due to play reasons is if the person is using abilities to purposely mess-up your time.
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On June 29 2013 04:34 beesinyoface wrote:The only time you report due to play reasons is if the person is using abilities to purposely mess-up your time.
THIS.
And NO, supports fighting last hits against carries does not count. This is bad play, try to educate people, not scold then.
I find that I rarely have problems with people being dicks when I'm not acting like one myself. The few times I do encounter though... I wish I could report more, even these few times are more than I can report.
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Tree weaver and WIsp CK on the same team vs my uncoordinated team. Fun times!
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Bara is completely broken. He's near impossible to not win with. Just got my all time highest kills in a game (29) with him, and the times I died was pretty much "yeah, I can charge into 5 people no problem!" type of deaths.
If that wasn't enough, try to combine him with troll for added hilariousness.
edit: Oh, thought I was posting in another thread..well, its a qq after all, so not entirely unfitting 
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On June 29 2013 04:06 Deathmanbob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:03 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Would any1 else find it funny if "Well played!" on the chatwheel was replaced with something else for people who were muted without that person knowing? am "i'm trying to be a dick here" just to show their intentions?
*pingpingpingping*
"Im sorry I misplayed"
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2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero.
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On June 29 2013 05:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:06 Deathmanbob wrote:On June 29 2013 04:03 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Would any1 else find it funny if "Well played!" on the chatwheel was replaced with something else for people who were muted without that person knowing? am "i'm trying to be a dick here" just to show their intentions? *pingpingpingping* "Im sorry you misplayed"
fify.
I like bob's idea the most though
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On June 29 2013 04:52 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 04:34 beesinyoface wrote:The only time you report due to play reasons is if the person is using abilities to purposely mess-up your time. THIS. And NO, supports fighting last hits against carries does not count. This is bad play, try to educate people, not scold then. I find that I rarely have problems with people being dicks when I'm not acting like one myself. The few times I do encounter though... I wish I could report more, even these few times are more than I can report.
I give people three chances to stop doing it.
"let me lasthit pls" is all I say. If the response is "fuck you", I report them. If they start using their nukes to spite me, I report them.
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On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero.
I dunno, I'd just say that dusa kinda reminds me of AM. Farms fast, rapidly becomes quite hard to kill, but desperately needs some do-shit allies. As in, 4-protect-1 or bust most of the time. Maaaaaybe viable in dual core but that requires a lot of work and/or greed from the other team as well.
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On June 29 2013 06:09 10734 wrote:
2 games with medusa in a row... the new ult is pretty ok, but she still has zero impact in pubs. You either lose or would've won with any hero.
She's one of those "lol, I can tank forever!" type of heroes. But since she doesn't dish out a lot of damage before 50 min mark, pubs don't know how to make use of her.
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Sigh, I just spend 60 minutes on a game doing fuck all because our Chaos Knight bought a Divine Rapier.
The scenario: We have a Sniper, CK lane top, a OD mid and a Nyx + Bounty bot lane. It's pretty awkward but in the mid game we can gank a lot and start winning the game because of track gold. Our CK went for Midas + Battlefury despite the insane amount of track gold. Whatever, it's fine. He buys a Crystalis... whatever, doesn't matter. Then he saves 7k gold and buys a Rapier. This is when the throw starts. He has insane items but ofcourse (obv) no bkb. So when their Sand King, Witch Doctor, Dragon Knight and Brewmaster use their ultimates when we push for rax our CK gets blownup. I'm playing the Nyx but I can't really stun their DK (he actually does have a bkb) or Brewmaster so I can't prevent the disaster.
Now at this point I'm already annoyed, but what happens next takes the cake. They spend the next 30-40 minutes in their base defending, defending and defending while we keep failing to siege. I got blown-up so hard in teamfights that I couldn't do anything so all I was doing was watch as we threw the game harder and harder. Basically they could have throned us after getting the rapier, but instead I had to spend 30 minutes in agony waiting.
Worst. Game. Ever. >
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On June 29 2013 04:34 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 02:52 Ryrmidon wrote:On June 29 2013 02:09 sacrilegious wrote:On June 29 2013 01:26 Ryrmidon wrote:On June 29 2013 00:23 sacrilegious wrote:On June 28 2013 21:32 Ryrmidon wrote:On June 28 2013 11:25 sacrilegious wrote:Just had a game as Bane, where our bot safe lane Omniknight and Silencer lost horribly to a Viper and Disruptor. Both feed early on going 0-3 or so the first 10 minutes. The game was AR and we only had 2 carries, a sniper (mid) and silencer. I knew we'd be screwed if Silencer didn't become a carry because their Viper was already fed, and they had an AM who literally free farmed because myself and Lich teammate couldn't do anything while Treant kept healing AM. So on top of feeding early on, Silencer does the following that makes me just facepalm... pulls creeps while Omniknight is solo'ing and dying, and does not even put a single point in Glaives until level 10. The amount of INT he could have stolen from about 4 kills during our teamfights in between that time would have put him back in the game, but nope stuck to maxing CotS after last word. Only items through the first 40 minutes were treads and aghanims (yes he rushed aghanims while feeding badly). Game went on and we made it close, but only because AM didn't push because Treant trolled. Eventually lost, bitched that Silencer some more for wasting my time. I swear to god if I wasn't out of reports I would have abused the crap out of that system and reported him with the bias knowing he was horrible and messed up my game right from the start. Oh yea that was like my 7th loss in a row in pubs http://dotabuff.com/matches/229726066 Anyone else find the hypocrisy here funny? You blame your bottom lane, a disadvantageous lane for losing, while you and Lich, who should have had a field day vs AM / Treant couldn't stop AM from farming. Disadvantageous because they were in safe lane? Disadvantageous because Omni can negate most of the harass taken while Silencer can potentially deal a shit ton of harass? Then again maybe you should have been in that game watching their positioning from the start. Lol apparently you also have no idea what living armor is either Boohoo. Youre 2 ranged supports going up vs 2 melees with absolutely no kill potential or form of harass. Learn to play, theres no excuse for not murdering that lane You're trolling me right? Have you ever even played against Treant lately, let alone one that living armors himself and has stout shield? Do you also believe Bane has an endless mana supply, and has an awesome long range attack to harass like Lina does? But whatever you believe just to make yourself sound right I suggest you read up on some threads and discussions about living armor that have popped up quite a lot around various dota forums in the last few weeks, and also see why pros have actually picked and banned treant with higher frequency, before you give me crap about auto winning a lane that has Treant to negate most of the harass... Lol learn how to play Misplay your lane, look for excuses, relieve yourself of any responsibilty, and bitch out your teammates because you think they didnt play well. You sound like an amazing person to have on a team Sounds like you take this game way too seriously my friend. Also if anyone reports someone just because they aren't "good enough" for your level of play, you need to step away from the game for a little while. The only time you report due to play reasons is if the person is using abilities to purposely mess-up your time.
Sounds more like you got called out on your bullshit and now you're pulling the "lol such nolife neckbeard tryhard I don't care about this game" card
Grow up.
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First time replying in this thread, but I'm feeling so frustrated after the game I feel the need to vent.
TL:DR We had 2 rax down, the enemy throne was down to 19 hp and we lost.
I don't get angry at bad players, I don't rage and report people because they're 'noob'. I'm a very calm Dota player but the one thing that does frustrate me is bad decision makers in regards to raxing / killing throne. This game was like a nightmare for me.
We had just assaulted the enemy base, finished off mid rax and started taking down the towers at throne. I was having a big game (27-2-7 with Bloodseeker at that point) and victory seemed assure. It's 4v4 and Jugg Omnislashes into a pack of 3 trying to be a hero without the team engaging with him. The rest are then forced to engage and we end up going 3-1 down in the fight and lose the aegis. While this is happening the creeps are banging on the throne and our Sven comes in very late since he was killed earlier. It was 2v4 with no way of successfully engaging the other heroes. He had 2 options, back off with our Skywrath or suicide into the throne (which had about 500 hp at the time). He chooses the worst option, he BKBs up, and runs in on the 4, their beastmaster immediately roars him down, and he drops in 2 seconds. The siege units brought the thrown down to an excruciating 19hp.
That's unfortunate but things are still fine. After respawn Jugg calls for a smoke dive with just 3 heroes. I advise against it but he goes anyway. If they were going to actually dive the tower, fine. Pop omni ulti, repel Jugg and they might have succeeded. But they engaged in a team fight after they were revealed at the steps. They get wiped and the throw is well and truly on. We proceed to lose 2 teamfights when we should be split pushing the win as they were bigger than us at that point and the throw was complete.
Score and match ID
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On June 29 2013 04:13 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:12 Vod.kaholic wrote:On June 29 2013 02:20 nojok wrote:
12 min dagger + manaboots on offlane support ES lol Lol that's amazing, belongs in the "good moments of DotA" thread. EDIT: Self-QQ I spectated a pub game of Furion, saw him do a pseudo-cliff-jungling build where he starts with 1 level of trees, takes the radiant easy camp while stacking the southern hard camp, clears another medium/hard camp, then TPs to the cliff to kill the double stack while maxing TP for global ganking support. It seemed to work for him, but the first time I tried it, my double stacked camp had the three ranged troll guys who apparently never missed shooting uphill, and I had no mana to summon treants for a while. I almost died, it was really embarrassing and slowed me down like mad. Moral of the story? Do not do this. This is not very good, unless you already scouted which creeps spawned there. And even then, it is not very optimal. Since you used your W to get there, if there is a gank by either team you will need to have a TP with you to go help any lanes. And even then TP's only put you near the towers, so your global presence early game goes through the window. Early game a single right click is, like, 8% of a Heroes' life. So if you manage to hit him once, it may mean the difference between first blood for your team or theirs. And a well placed sprout can mean a kill very early. I VERY rarely reach level 6 with 0-0-0. Usually it is 1-0-3 or something. Sometimes it can be 0-2-2, but almost never 0-0-0. One way of doing this decently is starting with a clarity and a TP (and a few branches. for good measure) and skill W First. You can wait to see what creep spawns where before making the decision. Usually I prefer to start with the enemies cliff-camp, then my own. Specially true if you're Radiant, but works for Dire are well, then go to jungle normally and save further W to help team. Level 1 ganks are uncommon, specially in pubs. So you rarely needs your TP so early, and by the time the ganks start you will already have it up again, and a couple levels of trees, too. I don't recommend TP farming, but you can do it if you want to.
I always thought the idea of cliff jungling with NP was to remove the need to skill treants so you could have sprout + teleport for a gank at level 2. It's pretty risky and highly situational tho
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