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Please remember that while this thread is for QQ and venting about the game, racism is not tolerated here on LD.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
May 28 2013 22:26 GMT
#10821
You also need to see the muting system like a punishing system like yellow/red cards in football.

I a player gets his Xth yellow card (so he misses next match) or a red one in the 89th minute, then the team which he played against doesnt really get a benefit. It might even be a disadvantage, if the player misses next game against a direct opponent (in league standings) of the victim-team.
The system's there to punish the offender.
oGsTrueSmug
Profile Joined September 2012
England141 Posts
May 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#10822
First game of the evening, get stuck with a Venomancer "support" who maxes wards first and spams them in lane, goes 0/9/0 and then complains that I'm not carrying him enough, including the favourite line of all pub-bads when I suggest that he should be maxing gale and actually using the observer wards he's had in his inventory since 0 minutes: "if you're so good why aren't you carrying me fuckin noob"

Second game, random draft: 4 picks on our side, we have Storm (me), Troll Warlord, Sniper and AA. Enemy team has Sven, Ursa, Puck and Slardar, so clearly we need some strong CC to help us out here, and somehow Magnus and Tide are still both in the pool.
"its k i carry u noobs i win in very high bracket all da time with my bro" -> picks Drow, goes 1/19/3; turned out, Drow has never been in very high bracket, has only actually played 4 games total (on that account at least) and when asked why she didn't pick something more appropriate to our lineup responded "lol it's drow she ez pubstomp fuckin noob l2p".
At least I got an Aegis steal out of that game, always fun to watch the allchat explode.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
May 28 2013 22:33 GMT
#10823
On May 29 2013 07:27 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
First game of the evening, get stuck with a Venomancer "support" who maxes wards first and spams them in lane, goes 0/9/0 and then complains that I'm not carrying him enough, including the favourite line of all pub-bads when I suggest that he should be maxing gale and actually using the observer wards he's had in his inventory since 0 minutes: "if you're so good why aren't you carrying me fuckin noob"

Second game, random draft: 4 picks on our side, we have Storm (me), Troll Warlord, Sniper and AA. Enemy team has Sven, Ursa, Puck and Slardar, so clearly we need some strong CC to help us out here, and somehow Magnus and Tide are still both in the pool.
"its k i carry u noobs i win in very high bracket all da time with my bro" -> picks Drow, goes 1/19/3; turned out, Drow has never been in very high bracket, has only actually played 4 games total (on that account at least) and when asked why she didn't pick something more appropriate to our lineup responded "lol it's drow she ez pubstomp fuckin noob l2p".
At least I got an Aegis steal out of that game, always fun to watch the allchat explode.


All other transgressions aside, you're supposed to max wards after a point in gale. Poison sting will push the lane and the slow from gale is constant independent of the levels. He shouldn't be spamming them, but you want to have the wards available to harass and to make an impact in fights with.
dreaming of a sunny day
DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
May 28 2013 22:36 GMT
#10824
On May 29 2013 05:59 Shootemup. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 04:37 thegeek574 wrote:
Well, I'm something like 88 hours in now, and so far, it isn't nearly as bad as just reading this thread makes it sound. The only thing I can complain about is that I queue exclusively with English as my language, and only in US east and west (I'm on the west coast). Every once in a while i get queued with a 4 stack that speaks nothing but Spanish, and refuses to speak anything else. They flame me, have really loud mics, and generally are no health. It isn't that big of a deal. I am generally having fun just playing supports. Had one of my favorite games of all time last night playing bane and raping face.

Not much of a QQ, just wanted to contribute to the thread that has given me so much enjoyment so far.

There is no language option for Spanish, and from what I hear most people who live in South America get better pings to US servers because the routing is pretty poor to South American servers. Until there is a Spanish language option it is just something to deal with.



Well, being south american i can answer this.

Our routing is SHIT, like completely shit, i mean, i play with 200 ms in USE, and 260-300 in USW, and that's still better than playing in the "South Brazilian (because is not south american, there's only portuguese speakers and they are, well, not very kind to other that does not speak their language)".
Second, if i have to chosee, i prefer to play US before SA, because altough maybe the skill level is a bit behind (talking about general player population, not pro teams, please dont get offended), you (americans) seem to play with more of an idea on what to do and how to do it, and it seems that you watch more professional games and know about the game more. However, you lack some "hands" as we are used to say.
Another thing to consider, is that most spanish speakers know how to talk in english, or at least write english, and because of that we go to US servers.

I'm probably the exception to the rule, because i hate playing in SA servers, i dont like our community and I have a full American dota team, but anyways, i think this shreds some light in what you guys think is a very big problem and something that you often compare to "Russians of Europe servers".

Go pro or die trying
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
May 28 2013 22:39 GMT
#10825
On May 29 2013 05:18 Ramble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 01:06 KwarK wrote:
Posts like that one make me understand why the person got muted and conclude they probably deserved it.

Well this blog post confirms that, people who blame that they were mass reported by a stack and they were not in the wrong are just lying. Valve confirms that mass reports from one single game do not lead to bans or being muted, they look at several games and pattern of communication.



Some of the other interesting points in that blog:

*Since the ban system has been implemented, there’s been a 35% drop in negative communication interactions.
*Less than the 1% of the active player base (players who have played Dota 2 in the last month) are currently banned.
*60% of players who receive bans go on to modify their behavior and don’t receive further bans.
*Total reports are down more than 30%, even after accounting for the reduction in the number permitted per week.

At first glance it seems the system is actually working, and the whining we're hearing in here about it is a vocal minority who actually deserves the ban they got to begin with.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 28 2013 23:06 GMT
#10826
On May 29 2013 07:39 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 05:18 Ramble wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:06 KwarK wrote:
Posts like that one make me understand why the person got muted and conclude they probably deserved it.

Well this blog post confirms that, people who blame that they were mass reported by a stack and they were not in the wrong are just lying. Valve confirms that mass reports from one single game do not lead to bans or being muted, they look at several games and pattern of communication.



Some of the other interesting points in that blog:

*Since the ban system has been implemented, there’s been a 35% drop in negative communication interactions.
*Less than the 1% of the active player base (players who have played Dota 2 in the last month) are currently banned.
*60% of players who receive bans go on to modify their behavior and don’t receive further bans.
*Total reports are down more than 30%, even after accounting for the reduction in the number permitted per week.

At first glance it seems the system is actually working, and the whining we're hearing in here about it is a vocal minority who actually deserves the ban they got to begin with.


This looks pretty good, now tweak the MMR a bit and we're golden. And to the discussion i flame and rage on occasion, like a meepo in a game who took my safelane even when i firstpicked in RD and called it. Then goes 0 - 5 in lane, buys threads first and when i mention that for the future tranqs are really good in the start "stfu noob lol" when i´m 5 - 1 - 5 Tiny and gets his aghs at 35min and blink at 40ish, i flame and rage at him. Yet i have never been muted or LP:d
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
May 28 2013 23:23 GMT
#10827
On May 29 2013 07:39 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 05:18 Ramble wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:06 KwarK wrote:
Posts like that one make me understand why the person got muted and conclude they probably deserved it.

Well this blog post confirms that, people who blame that they were mass reported by a stack and they were not in the wrong are just lying. Valve confirms that mass reports from one single game do not lead to bans or being muted, they look at several games and pattern of communication.



Some of the other interesting points in that blog:

*Since the ban system has been implemented, there’s been a 35% drop in negative communication interactions.
*Less than the 1% of the active player base (players who have played Dota 2 in the last month) are currently banned.
*60% of players who receive bans go on to modify their behavior and don’t receive further bans.
*Total reports are down more than 30%, even after accounting for the reduction in the number permitted per week.

At first glance it seems the system is actually working, and the whining we're hearing in here about it is a vocal minority who actually deserves the ban they got to begin with.


it works at it was intended, no doubt about that.
Less available reports means 30% less reports and the brutal punishment for comm ''abuse'' means people will be reluctant to communicate in any ''malicious'' way.
Still doesnt mean the system is good though.
The core problem for me is the pendulum MM - even people with extremely thick skin will lose their shit after they go on a 7-10 loss streak.

And I think we can all agree that this is how the MM works for most of the time - 5-10 games it puts you in a good team against noobs, then it gives you 5-10 even-ish games, followed by a brutal loss streak.

Another shortcoming is the fixed number of reports you're allowed to have.
Some people play 5 games per week, some play 50.Needless to say, the latter are 10 times more likely to encounter shitheads that deserve to be reported.


In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Ryrmidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada371 Posts
May 29 2013 00:33 GMT
#10828
On May 29 2013 07:04 KwarK wrote:
Seems to me like it's working just fine. You claim to be unable to play without being a dick, it mutes you. We're not obliged to put up with your lack of restraint, learn to control yourself.

I've never been muted yet the system still punishes me by forcing me to play with people who can't communicate. Again, if I want some1 muted I can mute him in 2 clicks, I don't see the point. If some1 does enough to warrant getting muted why don't they just get put in low priority with all the other ragers and flamers instead of getting queued with me
"He can't beat me in a real game" IdrA
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:53:17
May 29 2013 00:43 GMT
#10829
On May 29 2013 02:13 ReignSupreme. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 22:24 Belisarius wrote:
On May 28 2013 19:17 Nightmarjoo wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/dKLI8Z4.jpg
Two 9/10s before this of 6-7 minute queue-time each; found an 8/10 game about 30 seconds after the screenshot was taken.

edit: gave up after 10 minutes into the next queue.

I play -cm to maximize the enjoyment, success chance, and learning I'll reap from each game. Playing on another server makes lasthitting harder, and can prevent clutch escapes/kills. Even just playing on uswest can be the difference between shadow demon getting a clutch disruption off and living or not and dying, etc. If I had a group of similarly skilled and like-minded friends to play with, I'd be queueing with them instead of with pubs. In-house games don't improve mmr. I agree that playing at a different time would make the difference, but I'm awake now, and still-- 47 minute queue is a bit ridiculous...


This is pretty much the story of my life on the Australian server, except I get almost those kinds of queue times in solo queue all pick. I've never even attempted -cm for fear of dying from old age.

I get depressed by the way the timer resets after a 9/10, because it robs me of the opportunity to screenshot a 1:xx:xx timer and mail it to valve.


Bit of an exaggeration there bud, given that I get 3minute queues almost all the time on Aus server. And I sometimes play at 2am, 8am and the afternoon. Even 8am on a weekday I can still find 3min queues.


Note that I said solo queue. I have never, since the solo queue system was implemented, had a <5 minute solo queue. If I play full queue, sure, I get <3 minute queues, but I have little interest in being a 4-stack's wardbitch just for that.

In solo at whatever mmr I'm in, the average time per wait is between 10 and 20 minutes, and 9/10s are common because with a queue time that long, it's pretty likely that someone somewhere has got up to get a glass of water. A fairly standard progression is 15:00, 9/10, ~10:00, 8/10, 7:00, load (and then potentially player drop, 10:00, load, game). The largest single number I've seen is in the 30s, but I have certainly sat there for far more than an hour as games are repeatedly declined.

Of course, if all players in the first queue are actually there, i get a game in 15 minutes or even <10. That's not the norm.

So no, I am not really exaggerating.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
May 29 2013 01:02 GMT
#10830
Jesus cunt-destroying christ on the cross

playing custom games for shits and giggles
WTF, instant respawn, x2
some shithead picks magnus and spams RP for literally 300 kills in fountain over the space of about 5 minutes
I can't even imagine how that's fun for people. our tier twos weren't even down when he started so there was no chance of the game actually finishing or anything while he was at it.
Ugh, people like that just need to fuck off and die.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
May 29 2013 01:29 GMT
#10831
I hate pubs where people keep autoattacking or supports keep stealing cs (AND FAILING so no one gets the gold)

Got so fed up that I went to NC with PL at level 4 cos of retard shadow shaman in lane.. no wards for runes when game starts. Sigh
Team of Roof, Shadow Shaman, Leshrac and Wolf then proceed to get caught out many times.
Instead of turtle and split push them to death, they decide to team fight against PA, clock, tusk, undying, jakiro from early levels

When they get caught and enemy took mid rax, the nubs bitched and then I took bot lane despite their nubness.
Why people think every game has to be teamfight and get wiped? You are so low level because you keep feeding despite no teamfight potential and individual skill.

Won the game with 704 CS and 37.5k networth.. Kills losing 32 - 47
PL so good.. pls no nerf.. good when you have idiots in teams unless they are super idiots to which there is no saving. :S
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
May 29 2013 02:11 GMT
#10832
On May 29 2013 10:02 Nocticate wrote:
Jesus cunt-destroying christ on the cross

playing custom games for shits and giggles
WTF, instant respawn, x2
some shithead picks magnus and spams RP for literally 300 kills in fountain over the space of about 5 minutes
I can't even imagine how that's fun for people. our tier twos weren't even down when he started so there was no chance of the game actually finishing or anything while he was at it.
Ugh, people like that just need to fuck off and die.


What else is supposed to happen in -wtf instant respawn? lol.
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
May 29 2013 03:47 GMT
#10833
the guy last pick Naga on our team when there already a Bara, Sniper, Razor and Warlock
lost easy lane to Pugna and Tusk then afk farm in jungle
suddenly raged that Warlock stole his item and start feeding the enemy team

the funny thing is that everytime he feed, he actually show where the enemy are grouped up so we either get to push other lanes or manage to team wipe them with WL ulti + Static Link+thunder storm + Bara bash + sniper chipping away from distances :D

seeing his plan to feed actually giving us advantage he then buy all the wards and hide them in the jungle and also suicide gems into their team (which we easily recovered in no time)

and this morning when I logged in, got the action have been taken against your report message. cheers Valve
Put quote here for readability
SandwichApoc
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States115 Posts
May 29 2013 04:21 GMT
#10834
Playing a match where my team is just getting wrecked for the better part of the game but we're winning in towers. Near the end of the game, we're clawing our way back in, manage to take their top barracks and getting some very favorable engagements. 4 of us are pushing their bottom tower and barracks expecting they'll come back for the defense, but instead all 5 of them bulldoze up the middle of our base forcing a base race. It's at this point where I realize only 2 of us have TP scrolls and we can't hold off them off. Our ancient blows up as theirs is at half health.

Not as bad as some of the QQs here, but still pretty heartbreaking

yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
May 29 2013 05:33 GMT
#10835
On May 29 2013 11:11 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 10:02 Nocticate wrote:
Jesus cunt-destroying christ on the cross

playing custom games for shits and giggles
WTF, instant respawn, x2
some shithead picks magnus and spams RP for literally 300 kills in fountain over the space of about 5 minutes
I can't even imagine how that's fun for people. our tier twos weren't even down when he started so there was no chance of the game actually finishing or anything while he was at it.
Ugh, people like that just need to fuck off and die.


What else is supposed to happen in -wtf instant respawn? lol.

Warlock inifinite golems mayb
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 29 2013 08:52 GMT
#10836
One guys instalock storm and calls mid, I random void, call for swap, he randoms me centaur, last 2 picks : weaver and clinkz. Void 1st item : MoM, weaver goes HoM then perseverance, storm and clinkz rushes orchid. Length for ennemly gyro to quadrakill with flak cannon : 2 sec
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Jalle
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden149 Posts
May 29 2013 09:16 GMT
#10837
On May 29 2013 07:27 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
First game of the evening, get stuck with a Venomancer "support" who maxes wards first and spams them in lane, goes 0/9/0 and then complains that I'm not carrying him enough, including the favourite line of all pub-bads when I suggest that he should be maxing gale and actually using the observer wards he's had in his inventory since 0 minutes: "if you're so good why aren't you carrying me fuckin noob"


Gale is a one point wonder (slow is marvelous at lvl 1 and doesn't increase with lvls). Your wards scale better and should be maxed first. Still doesn't mean you should spam out wards at random though -.-
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
May 29 2013 09:22 GMT
#10838
On May 29 2013 18:16 Jalle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 07:27 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
First game of the evening, get stuck with a Venomancer "support" who maxes wards first and spams them in lane, goes 0/9/0 and then complains that I'm not carrying him enough, including the favourite line of all pub-bads when I suggest that he should be maxing gale and actually using the observer wards he's had in his inventory since 0 minutes: "if you're so good why aren't you carrying me fuckin noob"


Gale is a one point wonder (slow is marvelous at lvl 1 and doesn't increase with lvls). Your wards scale better and should be maxed first. Still doesn't mean you should spam out wards at random though -.-

Yeah max wards are amzing to take towers/def towers, ofc spamming them requires a proper situation to do so. Concerning venomancer I jsut noticed recently he says "plague our ennemies" and that his ulti is basicly plague from bw.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 09:53:54
May 29 2013 09:53 GMT
#10839
What a fucking joke. Naix with armlet maelstrom and abyssal can 1v1 a Gyro with BKB, MKB, Satanic, Butterfly and manage to win despite the networth of Gyro is like 2 times the networth of Naix.

Hero is balanced.
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
May 29 2013 09:54 GMT
#10840
Regarding this mute discussion; Is the use of microphone popular on the US Servers?

I remember in HoN, the americans ALWAYS used their mic to communicate, where as the euros only had a few whiners on mic.
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