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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
April 17 2013 16:32 GMT
#9161
Trilane Jakiro-Es-Gyro feed a double kill and firstblood to a solo hardlane Slark.

I guess that's what happens when you win 10 games in a row ^^.
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
April 17 2013 16:46 GMT
#9162
Phantom Lancer.
Yoona <3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Look! It's Totoro! ☉.☉☂
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 17 2013 16:59 GMT
#9163
Reverse QQ, I farmed more than a free farming weaver on the other team with a roaming/jungle lousy batrider in a 53 min game. http://dotabuff.com/matches/174740493

MM really sucks in both ways.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
April 17 2013 17:27 GMT
#9164
On April 17 2013 19:01 Ricjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 04:46 hooahah wrote:
dat Crystal Maiden

Naga Siren - Vanguard/Reaver/Vlad/Crystalis

oh well, take comfort in knowing that you played really well. Moral victories and all that.


Easy said but hard to do.Usually when i play really well and we still lose i curse my teammates so much (not in the game but in my head). Also what really bothers me in Dota is that when you try to give a friendly advice to anyone they answer Fuck you in 90% of cases and people are not opened to any discussion whatsoever.

By the way what is the optimal build for Naga? I seem to not understand that hero well as i am 0-2 with her and don't feel comfortable playing her.


I know, but sometimes you just have to look at the half full glass. Yeah, your retard teammate PA got Phase and Wand with 30 minutes of freefarm, but at least you rocked it as a roaming support. It's the little things. Because otherwise you might as well go solomid TA/SS/Nyx every single game and hope MM doesn't match you with feeding teammates.

as for Naga, depends on your build for the most part. Skip Vanguard, go Diffus->Heart->Manta->you know the drill. If you need some early game power get Drums, Drums are universally good and I honestly think they should be nerfed further.

The hardest part is knowing how to use Song well, because that can make or break the game. I've had songs where the enemy team raged so hard that they pretty much stayed in spawn and I've had songs that ended in a disaster. At the very least, Song is always a get-out-of-jail-free card, since even if you're ganked by 5 people, just pop the song, TP and bam, home free.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
April 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#9165
On April 17 2013 20:07 Ricjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 19:47 Lightspeaker wrote:
On April 17 2013 19:01 Ricjames wrote:

By the way what is the optimal build for Naga? I seem to not understand that hero well as i am 0-2 with her and don't feel comfortable playing her.



I'm hardly the best person to give advice (standard pub scrub) but I'm 7-1 on Naga and she's by far one of the heroes I'm most comfortable playing.


Item build I usually get boots > Aquila > Upgrade to Treads > Diffusal > Manta >Butterfly/Heart. Really take advantage of the illusions, you know? Sometimes grab a quelling blade or stout shield early if I'm taking a lot of damage or having trouble last hitting (standard melee carry laning basically).

Skillwise I like to get net at level 1 if there's any chance of getting an early kill (its a really good disable in my opinion). Riptide level 2 and Illusions level 3. From there I tend to max out net first and then riptide, taking the ult at level as it comes. Although if I get a really fast diffusal I mix in extra levels of illusions.

Logic being that riptide gets you armor reduction and damage, increasing your combat strength significantly as well as letting you clean up jungle camps quite effectively quite early, it also is generated by all of the illusions too which is amazing. Each level of net provides a full second of extra disable which is absolutely huge. Your illusions aren't all that useful for damage dealing outside of riptide use until you have diffusal up anyway, plus levelling it doesn't get you any extra illusions. So leaving it at level 1 for a while generally works for me. Getting your song as soon as possible is vital and it works as both an escape mechanism (not just for you but for any nearby allies) and an initiation (as long as your team knows what they're doing with it), the extra levels provide huge cooldown decreases so getting it maxed fast is always good.


Thank you for good explanation. I guess my biggest mistake was not getting a diffusal and rushing vanguard then manta. I used to think vanguard is really good, but in fact it is good and efficient only in a few cases.


Yeah, Vanguard is almost never worth it on anything with very, very few exceptions. I actually think Vanguard is a bit hard done by with how people view it, its not THAT bad, but its definitely not optimal nor is it a first choice "big" item. Stout is a possibility if you're taking a lot of damage, however, and upgrading it to PMS is definitely doable.

Without a diffusal your illusions do very little so the diffusal as your first big item is very, very important to make Naga relevant. In theory you could just go straight diffusal I think but I like the fast Aquila because its a smaller item and provides a lot of nice little bonuses which ease the early game.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
fearpLug
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany153 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 19:04:22
April 17 2013 19:00 GMT
#9166
dota mm is just a simple joke. its always been like that since i play, and that quite alot of time. if u get raped so hard that a pubgame ends 52-13 in like 23 minutes, sth is totally wrong..
ppl keep telling me, that dota 2 mm is kinda hard 2 do and that this game, dota, can be snowbally at times, and i agree.
But with dota 2 mm its either ur are in a team of scrubs or you are the scrub, no middle way.
but what i hate the most about dota 2 mm, is valves pure ignorance towards it.
ppl complain that their are not enough skill brackets? still theres only 3 -> 0 f's given
ppl complain about not being able to communicate with certain ppl -> still 0 f's given
if somebody is able to enlighten me on the subject, id be highly grateful.
sorry for my bad english anyway..
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 19:17:49
April 17 2013 19:16 GMT
#9167
played a game, picked LD after lycanthrope. Lycanthrope thought i was jungling for some fucking reason. rather than off laning. Have to buy courier cause the support nyx doesnt do it, so i cant afford my orb of venom after tangos. Up against a tri lane. Microing my pull of the first wave with my bearGame fucking freezes. so my bear takes like half damage on tower shots and i dont get the pull.. so basically i cant do denies and last hits for a good minute. contesting pulls and last hitting good. Thing i get a freeze RIGHT when they go on the bear that's low that im about to resummon and it dies, i lose a shit ton of health, and it hurts so i resummon my bear. And ive had to use all my fucking tangos because of the freezes. Then mid loses and i start getting ganked, over and over again and die twice in lane. But i lterrally lost like 2- levels and like 14-20 last hits cause of the game freezing. Then i get blamed by my teammates when they died bot 3 times to a fucking solo phantom lancer. like how do you even do that? oh yeah and the lycan died to neutrals 3 times
Flash Fan!
Lavitage2
Profile Joined June 2012
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 19:33:01
April 17 2013 19:25 GMT
#9168
In terms of physical actions performed, what's the best way to bottle crow?

Does it involve dropping the bottle on the ground and leaving it there for long enough that the other team's riki can jump in, snatch the bottle, kill the courier, and escape?
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
April 17 2013 19:43 GMT
#9169
It's a possible course of action - except you really shouldn't be bottle crowing after the sidelanes hit level 6
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
April 17 2013 20:30 GMT
#9170
I had a really odd crappy game that turned out ok last night in the end, but super frustrating in middle.

So, typical solo queue, pick US east server, get 3 chinese names on my team who dont speak any english and pick bad heros vs a Pudge/PL/Prophet/Jariko/Miranda.. Obviously looking like a loss already. And to make matters worse, since the lineups so bad, I end up mid clockwerk vs pudge LOL..

So I am owning mid somehow vs Pudge, with rockets getting LS's I would say im doubling him. But the other two lanes, feed an easy 1-10 within the first 10 minutes. Looks terrible. Then all the sudden, the 3 chinese players leave all at the same time. So, obviously lost game. But somehow miraculously, the other team has 3 leave also! Making it a 2v2, but my last partner left also, so 1v2, Clockwork vs Pudge/PL.

PL is pushing the side lanes while Pudge pushing mid, so I defend mid with the 4 left heros and get Pudge a few times, while clockwerk + sentry ward hookshoting to kill PL. This goes on for about 10 minutes, even trading (but them still heavily ahead) and at 20 minutes, I have radiance and heart on clockwerk (along with core items) .. I know its over though because PL is also fed too. But for some stupid reason, PL leaves too! Leaving me vs Pudge solo, and I manage to kill him 3 times mid (with the help of my left-teammates Sven and Weaver to gank) and pudge leaves too! Therefor, I get the win! So odd/funny. I love Clockwerk.
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
April 17 2013 23:06 GMT
#9171
this day must be the worst day of dota in my entire life.
1. game: our trilane loses against a solo bountyhunter while the other team is 3man ganking me in mid all the time. of course we never had wards.
2. game: next trilane loses against solo darkseer while the other teams pl has total freefarm. should be obvious who loses...
3. game: games looks good in the beginning. of course my teammates start feeding and diving behind t2 after 10mins. that was the time when i realize that we had a furion who was 0-4 and casted his ult everytime it was ready. i dont have to mention that it was a public and that we had another 3 semicarries who needed a little bit of farm themselves. after 50minutes furion has sb,orchids and hex and starts chatting about how its such an easy win wiht splitpushing. right after he said that he tped twice in front of their rax and we lost the game. of course we also had the worst potm in our team who than starts trahstalking the other carries how little they have farmed.
i lost a few matchesm ore but thats not really worth qqing about. mm can be so frustrating at times
FTD
Lavitage2
Profile Joined June 2012
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 23:44:07
April 17 2013 23:41 GMT
#9172
On April 18 2013 04:43 hooahah wrote:
It's a possible course of action - except you really shouldn't be bottle crowing after the sidelanes hit level 6


They were level 5. Tinker stood behind his tower and dropped the bottle in plain sight while the tower was shooting creeps. Riki did blink strike, bottle grab, courier stab, run through trees. Replay is 174906891 if you wanna see it.
Gluttony
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden160 Posts
April 18 2013 01:43 GMT
#9173
Gaaaah! My first post in this thread is QQ about myself... First I lose some games with friends, we just played really really bad. Not much to do about, shit happens.

Then I wanna finish the night with a win. I go for Troll, for wherever you are on the map, you can help your allies. It goes really well. We own! I kill roshan 2 times. We take mid rax, I still have aegis. I get cocky. I, who hate when carries on my team think they are hot shit and chase beyond rax and try to kill heroes, instead of focusing rax. I go to their fountain and try kill them. Die twice. they kill the rest of the team. And after this they comeback and we slowly wither away. All of us thinks we still have the game. We don't. Mistake on mistake and we lose.

And it's all my fault for getting cocky after mid rax and trying to get easy kills instead of taking the next rax. I never do this. I will probably never do it again... Can't get over it. Stupid throw.
I'm out of quotes atm :/
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 04:02:18
April 18 2013 02:23 GMT
#9174
Just played a game as PA where I'm forced into the offlane buying my own wards because bristleback has to solo bot. Lesh fights me for every last hit top and pushes the lane against a jugger bane combo. 15 minutes later team complains that I suck because I have nothing and can't/won't help them in teamfights.

So I just got matched with the lesh above 3 times in a row. His scores: 3-9, 3-7, 1-7. How does this even '_'
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
April 18 2013 03:23 GMT
#9175
Some reverse QQ from me, Dota gods be good today.

Yesterday played my first Spectre game in a while, lane with a Witch Doctor who

1) blocks the safe lane causing creeps to push into our tower, losing all lane control for me.

2) fights me constantly for last hits, and then has the audacity to get mad that I tell him to stop (also proclaiming he is a better last hitter -_-)

3) pings and casks luna when laning with a spectre, then wonders why I don't follow up.

Somehow or other (aka their luna being absolutely awful and my team finally letting me farm) I manage to get diffusal and heart to win the game.

Skip to today, play another spectre game, drums, diffusal, heart, aegis, game over ezpz, had a slightly better early game and ended up carrying team to a win.

Then again that is the difference between a 3 stack and a 5 stack.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
April 18 2013 04:49 GMT
#9176
I wish Batrider would just get nerfed into the ground. I don't care if he's never viable ever again- such a friggin stupid hero that can be played in practically any role and controls the game with just 2 items.
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
April 18 2013 06:16 GMT
#9177
On April 18 2013 10:43 Gluttony wrote:
Gaaaah! My first post in this thread is QQ about myself... First I lose some games with friends, we just played really really bad. Not much to do about, shit happens.

Then I wanna finish the night with a win. I go for Troll, for wherever you are on the map, you can help your allies. It goes really well. We own! I kill roshan 2 times. We take mid rax, I still have aegis. I get cocky. I, who hate when carries on my team think they are hot shit and chase beyond rax and try to kill heroes, instead of focusing rax. I go to their fountain and try kill them. Die twice. they kill the rest of the team. And after this they comeback and we slowly wither away. All of us thinks we still have the game. We don't. Mistake on mistake and we lose.

And it's all my fault for getting cocky after mid rax and trying to get easy kills instead of taking the next rax. I never do this. I will probably never do it again... Can't get over it. Stupid throw.


Don't worry about it, we all have that one game where we got fat as hell as the carry and managed to throw it. I once lost as a mega-farmed PL. They had only one racks standing, no towers, I bought a Daedelus for no reason and wasted my buyback money. Sven got a Hammer on me, killed me in 3~4 swings and they went straight for the throne. So yeah, your throw could have been worse :D
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42412 Posts
April 18 2013 07:31 GMT
#9178
Fuck sake some British are rude. I mean, holy hell. I kinda hope "IU" isn't from TL.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 18 2013 09:03 GMT
#9179
why the fck are russians queueing on aus server...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Korrawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania31 Posts
April 18 2013 09:21 GMT
#9180
because this:
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