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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
September 01 2014 06:44 GMT
#1841
Also, you mention stealing teammates farm. What do you have in mind, a support Techies?
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8866 Posts
September 01 2014 07:07 GMT
#1842
yeah only problem with him not being in the "thick of fights" is his range on all his spells are actually shitbox. his furthest is remote mines and that still puts him in range of practically every spell and ranged auto attack. a techies with either force staff or euls is able to contribute a lot more to teamfights and pushes/defenses without having to take monumental amounts of farm that could otherwise go to your cores. if youre trying to build aghs from nothing but arcane boots youre in for a really shit game.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
September 01 2014 07:34 GMT
#1843
How are Euls or Force staff going to increase his survivability to the point where he can be in the middle of fights?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 07:37:48
September 01 2014 07:37 GMT
#1844
Also we should take this Techies specific discussion to the Techies thread so others can weigh in. I'd post our discussion there but I'm on my phone. D:
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8866 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 10:46:01
September 01 2014 10:44 GMT
#1845
well the discussion is still relevant since were determining item builds for the techies guide
as for your question of how force staff/euls increases a hero's survivability, im not even going to bother answering that. the question is as obvious as how does battlefury make you farm faster
force staff and euls not only gives you survivability but the mana/mana regen you get and the utility it provides to the team is much more valuable than straight rushing aghanims and hoping your teammates pull your weight
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
September 01 2014 11:52 GMT
#1846
Arcanes and soul ring or bottle are sufficient regen to carry you through to Aghs.

My question is not how are force staff or Euls helpful for survivability. My question is how are either of those items going to help Techies specifically to the point where his survivability is sufficient enough to be in the thick of fights?

The point I'm trying to make is you NEVER want to be in the middle of a fight, aghs/euls/fs or not, and the point of Aghs is that it allows you to contribute to them from the sidelines because of the increased range of your ult.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8866 Posts
September 01 2014 13:42 GMT
#1847
i know what benefits getting aghs does. i never said techies should be in the middle of everything either. my point was going straight for aghs is gonna take too long and youre gonna be near dead weight to your team until you get it. getting items like force/euls in between provides not only utility but should you participate in fights you will last long enough to get the xp and gold bonuses from any kill in that fight, rather than dying first or leeching in the background not throwing any spells down.
id much rather have a techies who can throw down a statis and 1 remote mine and get away with it in a fight in my team than a techies who tries the same thing and dies, then proceeds to spend more time making up for the gold he just lost to build aghs
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 02 2014 08:06 GMT
#1848
Stats will be coming in today, a day earlier than intended as to not clash with Techies update and numbers.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
September 02 2014 17:57 GMT
#1849
i am missing something very important with your URSA build.
there should be a diffusal at situational, as players normally get ghost szepters against ursa.
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 03 2014 16:22 GMT
#1850
On September 03 2014 02:57 ScarPe wrote:
i am missing something very important with your URSA build.
there should be a diffusal at situational, as players normally get ghost szepters against ursa.


It was removed originally. I am rethinking the Ursa build post core items as I find going Helm is sometimes not always as good as going Vlads. They both feel situation.

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 19:02:01
September 03 2014 18:45 GMT
#1851
+ Show Spoiler [Oct 30] +
From our initial start in February 2013 to October 30, we have risen to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average growth of subscribers is 29,019.19
+ Show Spoiler [Nov 15] +
After ~15 days (Oct. 30 to Nov. 15), we have risen from 3,076,034 to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average Growth of subscribers is 34,948.88
Growth Percentage is 20.43%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 9] +
After ~15 days (Nov. 15 to Dec. 9), we have risen from 3,704,581 to 4,744,465 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,039,884

Average Growth of subscribers is 43,930.23
Growth Percentage is 28.07%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 25] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 9 to Dec. 25), we have risen from 4,744,465 to 5,567,569 combined subscribers

A difference of 823,104

Average Growth of subscribers is 50,614.26
Growth Percentage is 17.35%
+ Show Spoiler [Jan 17] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 25 to Jan. 17), we have risen from 5,567,569 to 7,154,041 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,586,472

Average Growth of subscribers is 65,036.74
Growth Percentage is 28.49%
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 4] +
After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average Growth of subscribers is 77,066.25
Growth Percentage is 21.73%


Top 10 least popular guides (top being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 22] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average Growth of subscribers is 90,242.84
Growth Percentage is 17.10%


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 10] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average Growth of subscribers is 99,953.15
Growth Percentage is 14.68%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 10th
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 24] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 10 to Mar. 25), we have risen from 11,694,519 to 13,025,681 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,331,162
Average Growth of subscribers is 111,330.607
Growth Percentage is 11.38%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,294)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,112)
  • Tiny (Middle) (941)
  • Invoker (770)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (579)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (737,338 -> 757,516)
  • Bounty Hunter (166,830 -> 190,690)
  • Luna (80,934 -> 111,375)
  • Meepo (28,208 -> 52,003)
  • Ember Spirit (12,039 -> 36,130)
  • Lion (34,266 -> 52,853)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 24th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 9] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 25 to Apr. 9), we have risen from 13,025,681 to 14,640,324 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,614,643
Average Growth of subscribers is 125,130.97
Growth Percentage is 12.40%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Phantom Lancer (1,374)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,361)
  • Tiny (Middle) (965)
  • Invoker (790)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (626)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Assassin (9,821 -> 22,968)
  • Queen of Pain (15,279 -> 32,355)
  • Faceless Void (5,516 -> 36,628)
  • Ember Spirit (36,130 -> 73,227)
  • Weaver (63,090 -> 89,479)
  • Clinkz (84,839 -> 111,540)
  • Mirana (96,509 -> 127,826)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 9th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 24] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 9 to Apr. 24), we have risen from 14,640,324 to 16,154,754 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,514,430
Average Growth of subscribers is 134,754.24
Growth Percentage is 10.53%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,520)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,411)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1001)
  • Invoker (800)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (673)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Luna (146,691 -> 181,478)
  • Zeus (84,722 -> 100,020)
  • Faceless Void (36,628 -> 60,153)
  • Ember Spirit (Lane) (73,227 -> 101,397)
  • Sven (204,354 -> 236,078)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 24th
+ Show Spoiler [May 8] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 24 to May 8), we have risen from 16,154,754 to 17,852,025 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,670,590
Average Growth of subscribers is 147,537.40
Growth Percentage is 10.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (759)
  • Invoker (846)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1047)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,487)
  • Longe Druid (Jungle) (1,610)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (3,724 -> 14,651)
  • Dazzle (4,133 -> 15,879)
  • Juggernaut (35,334 -> 61,666)
  • Huksar (59,476 -> 81,357)
  • Lion (92,907 -> 110,668)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Ursa (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 8th
+ Show Spoiler [May 22] +
After ~15 days (May 8 to May 22), we have risen from 17,852,025 to 19,767,290 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,915,265
Average growth of subscribers is 162,026.97
Growth Percentage is 10.73%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Ursa (Lane) (289)
  • Beast Master (Middle) (207)
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (201)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (169)
  • Ember Spirit (136)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (14,651 -> 50,104)
  • Dazzle (15,879 -> 35,024)
  • Faceless Void (85,845 -> 116,488)
  • Mirana (187,849 -> 222,947)
  • Luna (212,349 -> 243,569)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 22nd
+ Show Spoiler [June 6] +
After ~15 days (May 22 to June 6), we have risen from 19,767,290 to 21,802,930 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,035,640
Average Growth of subscribers is 178,712.54
Growth Percentage is 9.93%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (294)
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (238)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (209)
  • Axe (Jungle) (197)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (164)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (448 -> 2,948)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,717 -> 7,519)
  • Tinker (81,361 -> 102,509)
  • Huskar (105,637 -> 133,977)
  • Sand King (285,320 -> 318,806)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 6th
+ Show Spoiler [June 20] +
After ~15 days (June 6 to June 20), we have risen from 21,802,930 to 23,956,248 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,153,318
Average Growth of subscribers is 193,195.55
Growth Percentage is 9.88%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (269)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (227)
  • Axe (Jungle) (218)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (182)
  • Tusk (Middle) (106)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (2,948 -> 28,665)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (7,519 -> 28,934)
  • Enchantress (75,926 -> 90,296)
  • Phantom Lancer (88,180 -> 125,948)
  • Juggernaut (126,707 -> 163,994)
  • Sand King (318,806 -> 356,684)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)
  • Naga Siren (Middle)
  • Tusk (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 20th
+ Show Spoiler [July 4] +
After ~15 days (June 20 to July 4th), we have risen from 23,956,248 to 25,861,337 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,905,089
Average Growth of subscribers is 208,559.17
Growth Percentage is 7.95%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (257)
  • Axe (Jungle) (254)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (206)
  • Tusk (Middle) (136)
  • Elder Titan (Lane) (132)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (28,665 -> 54,426)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (28,934 -> 50,379)
  • Enigma (143,931 -> 165,573)
  • Slark (Lane) (148,178 -> 174,693)
  • Juggernaut (163,994 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naga Siren (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 4th
+ Show Spoiler [July 19] +
After ~15 days (July 4th to July 19th), we have risen from 25,861,337 to 27,755,144 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,893,767
Average Growth of subscribers is 218,544.44
Growth Percentage is 7.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (286)
  2. Axe (Jungle) (286)
  3. Ember Spirit (Middle) (242)
  4. Elder Titan (Lane) (188)
  5. Tusk (Middle) (177)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin
  3. Skywrath Mage
  4. Necrophos (previously rank 5)
  5. Leshrac


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Legion Commander (Middle) (2,377 -> 12,226)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (50,379 -> 68,885)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (54,426 -> 81,821)
  • Tinker (140,421 -> 159,260)
  • Enigma (165,573 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Lycan (Lane)
  • Skywrath Mage (Lane)
  • Dragon Knight (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 19th
+ Show Spoiler [August 3] +
After ~15 days (July 19th to August 3rd), we have risen from 27,755,144 to 30,003,730 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,248,586
Average Growth of subscribers is 236,249.84
Growth Percentage is 8.10%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Ember Spirit (Middle) (338)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (269)
  3. Tusk (Middle) (238)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (206)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (168)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  4. Necrophos
  5. Sven (previously rank 7)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Terrorblade (361,318 -> 395,937)
  • Silencer (274,906 -> 293,250)
  • Shadow Shaman (Lane) (274,525 -> 310,355)
  • Sven (446,554 -> 482,174)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 3rd
+ Show Spoiler [August 18] +
After ~15 days (August 3rd to August 18th), we have risen from 30,003,730 to 32,005,885 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,002,155
Average Growth of subscribers is 248,107.64
Growth Percentage is 6.67%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (402)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (369)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (345)
  4. Tusk (Middle) (307)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (222)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos (previously rank 4)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  5. Sven


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (114,862 -> 143,205)
  • Enigma (216,943 -> 240,711)
  • Brewmaster (190,123 -> 218,765)
  • Juggernaut (266,505 -> 301,914)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Weaver (Lane)
  • Kunkka (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 18th


After ~15 days (August 18th to September 3rd), we have risen from 32,005,885 to 34,023,240 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,0173,55
Average Growth of subscribers is 263,746.05
Growth Percentage is 6.30%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (426)
  2. Tusk (Middle) (338)
  3. Naga Siren (Middle) (251)
  4. Weaver (Lane) (122)
  5. Kunkka (Middle) (104)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle) Celebrating 1 Million Unique Subscriptions!
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos (previously rank 4)
  4. Sven (previously rank 5)
  5. Skywrath Mage (Middle)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (143,205 -> 170,414)
  • Enigma (240,711 -> 261,923)
  • Brewmaster (218,765 -> 245,407)
  • Phantom Lancer (246,265 -> 275,824)





Associated Reddit Topic - September 3rd
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 18:58:54
September 03 2014 18:51 GMT
#1852
  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million since August 3rd (or June).
  • Growth Rate Percentage hits all-time low at 6.30% -- Lowest since the guide project back in 2013.

  • Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide achieves over 1 million unique subscribers (achieved on August 26th)!
  • 10.62% of last month's unique players [9,535,652] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • Sven's popularity is skyrocketing in the ranks, now 4th most subscribed guide!

  • Top 10 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
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GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
September 04 2014 00:46 GMT
#1853
Wow. Dem fat numbers.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 05:21:42
September 04 2014 05:18 GMT
#1854
I always used guides because the item recommendations from valve are often pretty bad, and it helps with decision making if you can see items. Searching items in the shop ui is annoying and takes time.

But i really hate that guides give you a fixed skill order, out of habit i sometimes skill the wrong skill, not getting ult at 6 and stuff like that because another skill is flashing. And fixed skill builds don't really make sense for most heros anyway. I also dislike that most guides are only listing a very limited amount of items but i do understand why.

A while ago you asked what you can do to improve guides, i wonder how easy it would be to make an additional set of guides that aren't guides but rather a better version of valves item suggestions. I don't know if there would be any demand for that, i only know that i would be using them. Also since it would be for more experienced players there is no need for hero/item/skill descriptions.

--

void guide doesn't have maelstrom/mjollnir, but it is a very common item on him much more common than butterfly for example.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
September 04 2014 07:06 GMT
#1855
You realise you're asking him to create and maintain an entire second set of duplicate guides, right? I think that's a bit much.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
September 04 2014 07:17 GMT
#1856
On September 04 2014 16:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
You realise you're asking him to create and maintain an entire second set of duplicate guides, right? I think that's a bit much.


he asked a while back (a month or so) what else he can do, it sounded as if he is bored. I don't expect anything really.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 08:56:09
September 04 2014 08:46 GMT
#1857
On September 04 2014 14:18 idonthinksobro wrote:
I always used guides because the item recommendations from valve are often pretty bad, and it helps with decision making if you can see items. Searching items in the shop ui is annoying and takes time.

But i really hate that guides give you a fixed skill order, out of habit i sometimes skill the wrong skill, not getting ult at 6 and stuff like that because another skill is flashing. And fixed skill builds don't really make sense for most heros anyway. I also dislike that most guides are only listing a very limited amount of items but i do understand why.

A while ago you asked what you can do to improve guides, i wonder how easy it would be to make an additional set of guides that aren't guides but rather a better version of valves item suggestions. I don't know if there would be any demand for that, i only know that i would be using them. Also since it would be for more experienced players there is no need for hero/item/skill descriptions.

--

void guide doesn't have maelstrom/mjollnir, but it is a very common item on him much more common than butterfly for example.


I will add that to void.

The demand to make guides without any skills is relatively low. It's popped up a few times but it isn't the main reason people subscribe. I could do it, but the demand is low and as the game expands, it would stretch even further. I've debated on doing it, but it'd be 260 guides to maintain and more as all the heroes are released (up to 280).

As for low items on certain guides, I'm willing to expand in certain situations (like Ursa). I saw the Morphling guide and I don't think I like it: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129076227

Ideas like making certain guides more specific would be great, like how the Phantom Assassin, Slardar, or Leshrac ones are done: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128920907

On September 04 2014 16:17 idonthinksobro wrote:
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On September 04 2014 16:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
You realise you're asking him to create and maintain an entire second set of duplicate guides, right? I think that's a bit much.


he asked a while back (a month or so) what else he can do, it sounded as if he is bored. I don't expect anything really.


Feeling a bit stagnant in terms of things to do, yep
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 08:58:42
September 04 2014 08:53 GMT
#1858
Ursa (Lane/Middle)
Removed Desolator
Added Diffusal Blade to Situational Items

Faceless Void
Added Maelstrom to Situational Items
Added Mjollnir to Extension Items
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ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 09:09:43
September 04 2014 09:09 GMT
#1859
On September 04 2014 01:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 02:57 ScarPe wrote:
i am missing something very important with your URSA build.
there should be a diffusal at situational, as players normally get ghost szepters against ursa.


It was removed originally. I am rethinking the Ursa build post core items as I find going Helm is sometimes not always as good as going Vlads. They both feel situation.



what was the reasoning behind removing it from situational items?
i mean it should be clear, that ghost scepters, pugna decrepify and e.g. omniknight ultimate completely negate the ursa burst potential. but on the other hand one single diffusal negates those abilitys/items completely.
its not like an "okish" choice, its like "you dont care about that spells anymore" if you got diffu.

i feel like most ursa players (4,x+ on EU west) even stay only on mask in the beginning, while getting an even quicker blinkdagger.
then upgrading the mask to vlads or whatever.

On September 04 2014 17:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
Ursa (Lane/Middle)
Removed Desolator
Added Diffusal Blade to Situational Items

edit:
Faceless Void
Added Maelstrom to Situational Items
Added Mjollnir to Extension Items

never mind mate
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 04 2014 19:09 GMT
#1860
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=309919893
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