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Aron Times
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
June 07 2015 06:39 GMT
#3621
Greetings, I think I'm blind, but there doesn't seem to be much difference between the Phoenix mid and lane guides. Is this because there isn't much difference between Phoenix mid and non-mid?
"The drums! The drums! The drums! The neverending drumbeat! Open me, you human fool! Open the light and summon me and receive my majesty!"
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 07 2015 10:58 GMT
#3622
On June 07 2015 15:39 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Greetings, I think I'm blind, but there doesn't seem to be much difference between the Phoenix mid and lane guides. Is this because there isn't much difference between Phoenix mid and non-mid?


Yes.

Also because no one plays Phoenix mid any more (or at all).
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 07 2015 12:12 GMT
#3623
[image loading]

80 million
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
June 07 2015 13:04 GMT
#3624
have we ever discussed about removing jungle lifestealer guide? its really annoying to play with such a useless hero first 20min :|
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 13:22:54
June 07 2015 13:20 GMT
#3625
On June 07 2015 22:04 Velzi wrote:
have we ever discussed about removing jungle lifestealer guide? its really annoying to play with such a useless hero first 20min :|


Yes,

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-guide-project-80m-subs-2-year?page=142#2821

On January 19 2015 01:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
I am very sick and busy moving into a new apartment this coming week, so I will follow-up on posts by Wednesday/Thursday.




For the lifestealer guide, if you don't like it, promote the Lane version because I offer both options and clearly one of them is significantly more popular.

On that note, I am not impervious to a change of policies. I changed the Jungle Legion Commander guide to the Lane Version because it no longer worked at all. That said, if you disagree with my choices and attitude, feel free to make your own guides as there isn't exactly much competition unfortunately.


If there wasn't such a huge discrepancy of numbers between the two guides; I'd swap them as I did with Skywrath Mage and Legion Commander. I'm also waiting for Nyx Assassin to close in on numbers so I can swap them.

Since Lifestealer is not a core/popular hero right now (not for many patches), he is not getting that much popularity; so the numbers aren't shifting. It was the same for Leshrac Middle, Line Middle, Troll Lane and Middle. They didn't get a spurt of popularity until very recently.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 07 2015 21:14 GMT
#3626
[image loading]


Full graph shows a low expoential, then consisten growth.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 08 2015 03:02 GMT
#3627
while "exponential growth" is a common colloquial phrase, that is a polynomial function and not an exponential one
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2015 07:45 GMT
#3628
Statistics was not my strong suit, but nevertheless; there is consistent growth from Feb. 2014.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 08 2015 08:22 GMT
#3629
'exponential growth' is the ultimate statistics buzzword
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2015 08:23 GMT
#3630
My math is pretty much at a 10th grade level (out of 11 grades)
My statistics knowledge is Stats 101 and 102.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
June 08 2015 14:08 GMT
#3631
On June 08 2015 17:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
My math is pretty much at a 10th grade level (out of 11 grades)
My statistics knowledge is Stats 101 and 102.


[image loading]

here's a relevant pic

quadratic is more steady while exponential shoots up quick.

polynomial refers to the fact that it can have multiple terms, but it is more appropriately called a power regression (quadratic bc your regression would probably be something like x^2).
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2015 14:15 GMT
#3632
Since when is everyone here a stats major? Getting schooled in guides/Dota 2 and in Stats D:<
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 08 2015 14:20 GMT
#3633
This isn't really a stats thing, lol.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2015 14:24 GMT
#3634
Point still stands that I'm being educated in two fields simultaneously, but it's good to tack on a third.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 08 2015 14:30 GMT
#3635
all we need now is graphlord's input
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 08 2015 14:41 GMT
#3636
Torte will be educated on the different fields of math whether he wants to be or not. One does not simply post graphs without understand how to talk about them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
June 08 2015 15:21 GMT
#3637
im a math teacher remember
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3300 Posts
June 08 2015 15:25 GMT
#3638
On June 07 2015 19:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 15:39 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Greetings, I think I'm blind, but there doesn't seem to be much difference between the Phoenix mid and lane guides. Is this because there isn't much difference between Phoenix mid and non-mid?


Yes.

Also because no one plays Phoenix mid any more (or at all).

I have a friend playing about 20% of his games as phoenix mid (not 20% of pheonix games but ap games)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-08 15:40:31
June 08 2015 15:40 GMT
#3639
On June 09 2015 00:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
im a math teacher remember

You and the 3 other people that responded correcting his use of "Math Language."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2015 15:43 GMT
#3640
On June 09 2015 00:25 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2015 19:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
On June 07 2015 15:39 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Greetings, I think I'm blind, but there doesn't seem to be much difference between the Phoenix mid and lane guides. Is this because there isn't much difference between Phoenix mid and non-mid?


Yes.

Also because no one plays Phoenix mid any more (or at all).

I have a friend playing about 20% of his games as phoenix mid (not 20% of pheonix games but ap games)


I welcome feedback on the guide. I've actually not played Phoenix Middle in a long time sadly.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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