EPTDefinitely get a 12GB+ gpu. I'm on 8GB and it is struggle bus playing cyberpunk 2077 at max or doing anything that uses the GPU.
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Definitely get a 12GB+ gpu. I'm on 8GB and it is struggle bus playing cyberpunk 2077 at max or doing anything that uses the GPU. | ||
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NonY
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I checked out the 4070 Super launch today and I'm not too worried about getting the 4080 Super the morning it launches. The 4070 Super is still available 4 hours after launch. I'll just be refreshing at 6am and secure one ASAP. Reviews of the Founders Edition are good for the 4070. Hopefully the FE 4080 Super is also fine on cooling and noise. I like the look. | ||
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Cyro
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I got the full size wooting a few months back and it's been glorious so far (although i haven't put much RTS time and customisation into it yet - i mostly used it for osu!, WoW and BG3) It has excellent latency. Being able to adjust actuation point removes latency as well (as it physically takes less time to depress the key) so it makes things more responsive in that way. With our faster systems, this was actually taking a substantial portion of the total latency for an intentional keystroke - waiting for your finger and the key to move down all of the way to say 2mm. Per-key actuation customisation and being able to change it at any time has allowed me to get rid of the rare annoying accidental keystrokes that i had from MX Silvers (1.2mm actutation) despite dailying 0.7mm actuation now on most keys, as i can deepen certain ones such as the keys around backspace and enter as well as the space bar - feels like this makes it much more realistic to use much shorter actuations without long training times and adverse effects, so more benefit and less harm. Rapid trigger does wonders for responsiveness. We can be dealing with as little as a ~10ms signal to photon latency on the keyboard and PC itself but if you let go of the switch from the bottomed out position, it may take as much as 30 milliseconds to spring up to the "off" position and stop transmitting so it would take 40ms for the action to happen instead of 10ms in that case. Sensing the position rising on several polls and then cutting the transmission instantly is big there. Rapid trigger also allows for configuration so that you can press keys with less effort and re-press keys with both less effort and greater confidence (higher keystrokes per sec, fewer accidental keypresses) compared to having a static actuation point that you have to wait for the switch to bounce back past. This is enormous for osu, fairly big for WoW (if you want to spellqueue fireballs together all night without breaking your hand or losing cast time) and i guess notable even in RTS if you want to do something specific like zzzzzz to make exactly 6 sets of zerglings. On the downsides, a linear switch doesn't really provide as nice of a typing experience as one with distinct tactile feedback IMO.. but as a performance tool, it speaks for itself. It's one of those things now where if i were to use my older cherry board or a wired mouse or a low refresh rate monitor it would be quite painful by comparison. | ||
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Like look at the function keys here. No gap between "1" and "F1" so the function keys aren't an extra high stretch. And also no arbitrary gap between "F4" and "F5". Makes these keys way more accessible ![[image loading]](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61efvyxdAZL._AC_SL1200_.jpg) Ideally I find a good analog keyboard with this layout | ||
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Cyro
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There are many more analog boards out or coming out now, Wooting was just both first to market and are still market leaders as far as the tech goes. One or two of the copies aren't far behind now, but there's still not that much choice. Optimum tech reviews them on youtube and digs into if the hardware response actually matches advertisement (which sometimes they don't) | ||
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The main parts for that build are a 5800x3d, NH-D15, x570 Aorus Master and 2x16GB RAM (dual rank samsung 8gbit B). I've OC'd that stuff to the moon (with very safe voltages) so i can do those services and leave a BIOS profile plus a note of well validated and extremely performant settings. I bought a P3 Plus 2TB NVME 4.0 SSD for £100 to put in. It's missing case/PSU/GPU. I figured if i gave it my main's current stuff (Air 540, 3x extra SP120 fans, 3080 FTW3 Ultra, RM850x 2018) then i could refresh those in the main rig. That also generally makes an awesome gaming PC. For new parts on my main, I'm looking at a Fractal Design Torrent (great case!), RM1000x Shift PSU and a 4070ti Super. Could have it all done within a week, main holdup is that 4070ti super (essentially a very slightly nerfed 4080 at 2/3'rds of the price, which moves it from "wtf are u doing" to "kinda expensive") isn't up for sale til the 24'th. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ha3IDDY.jpg) First test DDR5-8000 1T working ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/7hShmV6.png) | ||
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(Correction btw, wooting is factory-lubed, always has been but it was improved after first batches) | ||
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@Cyro, interesting test numbers. | ||
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On January 27 2024 03:53 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Might look into grabbing one of those. Wish there was a way to test them out before I purchase. My DuckyOne keyboard is legit still good. I don't clean it as much as I should, but no problems with performance. @Cyro, interesting test numbers. Yeah, my biggest upgrade tbh was going from an older mech board with meh latency (like Optimum talks about in that video, two of those keyboards add 20ms of latency.. i had one that was adding 30ms, it's really common!) to one which adds essentially no latency. Maybe a couple milliseconds, so keystroke to photon latency dropped from 45ms to 15ms. That was night and day, such a shock to the system as i'd become so used to the latency that not having it felt like the KB was reading my mind and acting before i pressed the button for a while. My old slow board was a wasdkeyboard and various other cheap ones, the fast ones are the corsair k70 and wooting. The whole rapid trigger thing and customisable actuation to be comfy with 0.7mm actuation on most keys has been really helpful though. I'm still testing a lot more. Got the RAM probably 1-2% faster (game perf numbers) than old setup and stable at 8000 but adjusting voltages and figuring out a few quirks, then have core overclocking since this board can adjust vcache CCD clocks via a seperate base clock which controls only the cache/cores instead of dragging the sata, pci-e etc along with it. I tested out a graphics card case shroud to see if there were any gains to be had from preventing the air exhaust of the graphics card from recirculating into the intake fans - the answer was no, not really, there's so much air flow and pressure in front of the graphics card intake that everything is already flowing *away* from that area unless it has a nearby fan forcing it in. Great job from the case. With a closed case or a lower performing fan setup it can matter a lot more, and i've seen people drop 10-20c by shrouding/ducting intake and exhaust or adding an extra fan to force the airflow pattern to shift. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nuLOwxu.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/mzEzIwG.png) Shroud present during red box area -0.5c on the core delta and -1c on the memory delta With 360w, core gets up to +33c over room temp without shroud | ||
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On January 29 2024 04:17 NonY wrote: Got my new PC built successfully, everything looking good. I build a pc once every 5+ years so I have some experience but it feels very awkward and slow each time I do it since I go so long between builds. Temps look good, memory is up to speed, fan curve keeping things super quiet when idle. Really pleased with this build and I love the look of this case. Assuming I get my 4080 Super without incident, I'll be streaming Stormgate on Feb 5! You can't talk about a build without posting it! Show us the goods! I'm probably building my new after taxes. Hospital bills and travel are kicking my ass. But sooooooooooooon. | ||
KwarK
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+ Show Spoiler + OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045 Other OS Description Not Available OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name DESKTOP-KQQUUFB System Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model X570 AORUS ELITE System Type x64-based PC System SKU Default string Processor AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor, 3200 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends International, LLC. F35, 7/8/2021 SMBIOS Version 3.3 Embedded Controller Version 255.255 BIOS Mode UEFI BaseBoard Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. BaseBoard Product X570 AORUS ELITE BaseBoard Version x.x Platform Role Desktop Secure Boot State Off PCR7 Configuration Binding Not Possible Windows Directory C:\Windows System Directory C:\Windows\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume6 Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 48.0 GB Total Physical Memory 23.9 GB Available Physical Memory 10.5 GB Total Virtual Memory 35.5 GB Available Virtual Memory 5.09 GB | ||
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On January 29 2024 07:47 KwarK wrote: Considering getting some additional monitors to play more EVE Online while I play EVE Online. Maybe a 3x2 setup. Beyond monitors and stands for them what else would I need. Current specs below. + Show Spoiler + OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045 Other OS Description Not Available OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name DESKTOP-KQQUUFB System Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. System Model X570 AORUS ELITE System Type x64-based PC System SKU Default string Processor AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor, 3200 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s) BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends International, LLC. F35, 7/8/2021 SMBIOS Version 3.3 Embedded Controller Version 255.255 BIOS Mode UEFI BaseBoard Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. BaseBoard Product X570 AORUS ELITE BaseBoard Version x.x Platform Role Desktop Secure Boot State Off PCR7 Configuration Binding Not Possible Windows Directory C:\Windows System Directory C:\Windows\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume6 Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 48.0 GB Total Physical Memory 23.9 GB Available Physical Memory 10.5 GB Total Virtual Memory 35.5 GB Available Virtual Memory 5.09 GB What's your GPU set up? That's going to determine everything, afaik. Cyro would know more, but you're going to need at least 2 Check this thread if you wanna read more. | ||
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KwarK
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On January 29 2024 08:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: What's your GPU set up? That's going to determine everything, afaik. Cyro would know more, but you're going to need at least 2 Check this thread if you wanna read more. AMD Radeon RX580 Graphics 4GB GDDR5 Topic said to get bigger screens and partition them over getting lots of screens. That'd work too I guess. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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I guess it ultimately comes down to aesthetic choice? | ||
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Cyro
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On January 29 2024 04:17 NonY wrote: Got my new PC built successfully, everything looking good. I build a pc once every 5+ years so I have some experience but it feels very awkward and slow each time I do it since I go so long between builds. Temps look good, memory is up to speed, fan curve keeping things super quiet when idle. Really pleased with this build and I love the look of this case. Assuming I get my 4080 Super without incident, I'll be streaming Stormgate on Feb 5! Congrats :D I'l be playing too and testing, should be a lot of fun. On discord as well @ ".aeryn" if you guys wanna hang out ----- @Above - really not sure about the mass monitor stuff, never done it. Most graphics cards (yours included AFAIK, but it might have trouble driving good framerates) are pretty chill at plugging in something like 3x 3840x2160 which can be tiled down. More than 3 or 4 display outputs and you get into weird territory, can be done but quirky and unknown at times. | ||
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I tried to take pics initially with the side panel on but you can't see anything because the glass is tinted and there's nothing lighting up the inside. The camera was mainly picking up the reflection off the glass. Anyway, I've got 3x120mm front intake, 1x120mm rear exhaust, 1x120mm top exhaust, the SSD is right under the CPU radiator there. The memory is mostly blocked by the cpu radiator too. Power cable is pulled out and awaiting the arrival of a GPU... Not much else to it! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uHClAOI.jpeg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/1FzBE64.jpeg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/zzuQz3y.jpeg) Maybe next build I'll go ITX | ||
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