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So i ended up just building my own desk and going with a triple mount system. I haven't gotten a new GPU yet and working in UE5 is a slog. I'm crashing constantly or it's hanging up on me. I'm saving to do a completely new build. Still getting one of the 7000 series GPUs and a AM5.
I'd like to salvage the one I have, but I'm figuring if I'm going to a new architecture, a lot of the old components won't be compatible. So just going to save the headache. Here's the list of what I've picked out so far. Parts
E: The main requirement for getting a new PC is that I'm going to be doing more work in UE and I need a larger cache/memory size. The 8GB I have currently is perfect for gaming but it does not work on anything else when it comes to production (Cinema 4D, UE, Photoshop, etc). I was tempted to get a 4080 but I think I'll just stick to AMD for now.
On October 18 2023 20:26 llIH wrote: I put my 7800x3D on -30 PBO. Temps lowered but fps was also lower. Anyone else noticed this?
Either problems with the test measurement or instability. Run ycruncher VT3 at least a few hours
negative CO directly translates to more frequency at the same voltage, or less voltage at the same frequency. On a 7800x3d you might be sat at the 5050mhz frequency cap in your game even without CO so in that case it would only use less power.
It is also a relative scale, not an absolute one. My friend's 7800x3d (which is not unusual) needs about -45 CO just to break even with my 7950x3d's vcache CCD at -0 CO.
If it doesn't have that, it asks for more voltage at lower frequency in the same workload because its "baseline rating" is about 45 ticks worse.
Anyone got any insight into what parts will be going forward? Heard Maersk is suspending shipping through red sea. Any other factors that are going to start negatively impacting parts? I gotta get this PC built immediately if it's going to look bleak. Price has already gone up 400$ since I started the build.
Should be an okay year overall for building, graphics market isn't amazing IMO but it wasn't last year either. Refreshes due to help gpu price/perf this month.
Shipping thing will probably hurt but hopefully not that much or for long
On January 03 2024 17:22 Cyro wrote: Should be an okay year overall for building, graphics market isn't amazing IMO but it wasn't last year either. Refreshes due to help gpu price/perf this month.
Shipping thing will probably hurt but hopefully not that much or for long
Okay, good. I got a lot of medical shit piling up so I wanted to get a sense of what I'd be looking at in a few months. Kinda sad my build has been put on hold for the better part of a year, at least partial upgrades, but I think it'll be worth it.
On January 03 2024 17:22 Cyro wrote: Should be an okay year overall for building, graphics market isn't amazing IMO but it wasn't last year either. Refreshes due to help gpu price/perf this month.
Shipping thing will probably hurt but hopefully not that much or for long
Okay, good. I got a lot of medical shit piling up so I wanted to get a sense of what I'd be looking at in a few months. Kinda sad my build has been put on hold for the better part of a year, at least partial upgrades, but I think it'll be worth it.
GL and take care <3
You will probably be interested in my recent testing, i'l just post the pic i put on reddit
I'm about to build a new PC and would like to get a 4080 super. I don't know what it's like to shop for a GPU on its release date. Can I expect to get one for MSRP? And will there be multiple manufacturers' versions available on the release date with various aesthetics and cooling solutions and noise levels? And if so, how soon do reviews come out? I don't care about the aesthetics at all, nor is an insane cooling solution a huge priority either, but I do care about noise levels.
I was just about to buy a 7900 XTX last month and then I decided to wait for the nvidia refresh and I'm excited to see the 4080 super at $999 MSRP and that seems like the smart play now. I just want to make sure I play this right so I'm not seeing "out of stock" or huge increases over MSRP or some other nightmare. Waiting until Jan 31 is already kind of a bummer for me so I want to make sure it goes smoothly when it's time to act.
On January 03 2024 17:22 Cyro wrote: Should be an okay year overall for building, graphics market isn't amazing IMO but it wasn't last year either. Refreshes due to help gpu price/perf this month.
Shipping thing will probably hurt but hopefully not that much or for long
Okay, good. I got a lot of medical shit piling up so I wanted to get a sense of what I'd be looking at in a few months. Kinda sad my build has been put on hold for the better part of a year, at least partial upgrades, but I think it'll be worth it.
GL and take care <3
You will probably be interested in my recent testing, i'l just post the pic i put on reddit
That is good to see. I wasn't sure if a 79503D would be something if get. The 7900xtx is already vastly better than what I'm currently running lol. I think the Corsair RAM I'm getting will probably need to be adjusted as well, so this info will work for preliminary testing. I'll gingerly mess with timings and see what happens. I'll definitely post here or hit you on discord!
@nony, it depends on the reviewer you follow. Some get advanced units and can get something out a week or a few days before release. But I'd usually wait a month after release to get reviews and make a decision because then the bugs found from hobbyists can be patched etc. as for will the scalpers screw you...probably. The whole AI thing isn't going away and even if you can get the GPU, it might be above MSRP. If you're usual places are overpriced, then you might have to get it from manufacturer.
On January 09 2024 05:42 NonY wrote: I'm about to build a new PC and would like to get a 4080 super. I don't know what it's like to shop for a GPU on its release date. Can I expect to get one for MSRP? And will there be multiple manufacturers' versions available on the release date with various aesthetics and cooling solutions and noise levels? And if so, how soon do reviews come out? I don't care about the aesthetics at all, nor is an insane cooling solution a huge priority either, but I do care about noise levels.
I was just about to buy a 7900 XTX last month and then I decided to wait for the nvidia refresh and I'm excited to see the 4080 super at $999 MSRP and that seems like the smart play now. I just want to make sure I play this right so I'm not seeing "out of stock" or huge increases over MSRP or some other nightmare. Waiting until Jan 31 is already kind of a bummer for me so I want to make sure it goes smoothly when it's time to act.
Can be a shitshow on new, in-demand gens (e.g. randomly adding +£100 in the hour before launch in response to website traffic, sites failing) but shouldn't be anything like that right now. That was the 3080 experience, and even 1080/1070/1080ti was not that bad.
On a mid gen refresh it's likely to be much gentler, and i would expect to pay a little over MSRP especially for a good and available model but it is best to be refreshing some pages at least 15min before the release to grab one because they may not sit on shelves for ages.
Usually there are many different SKU's but not neccesarily all available.
For reviews it depends - usually they are before launch in some capacity. Rumor says some review units have already been shipped. In this case we're also pretty much certain to have more than enough information before launch no matter what Nvidia does (again because of mid-gen refresh) - you could say that we have it already, but some stuff is still in rumor/leak status rather than confirmed. It probably won't stay there.
Thanks yeah so it looks like I'll gather what info I can heading into January 31 and come up with a plan of action then. In the meantime I think I'll order everything else and build the PC with on-board graphics and have it ready to go for when the GPU comes in.
Nothing particularly wrong with this list of parts is there? I had a different SSD but it shot up in price so I browsed to find an alternative.
Mobo is one thing that I never know for sure if I'm overpaying for things I don't need or if I'm missing out on something that'd be nice. With this build I'd like to upgrade to the final AM5 chip when it comes out (assuming it's a significant improvement and a reasonable value proposition) and likely upgrade the GPU somewhere down the line too in the 3-4 year range. Consensus seems to be that even in 3-4 years, GPUs will not need pcie 5 to perform better than on pcie 4 but I thought I'd get it just in case.
The PC is primarily for blasting high frame rates at 1080p on lower settings for competitive gaming. But I'd like to have the option for more casual play and max graphics settings at 1440p, or consider playing competitively at 1440p. I also plan to stream with it.
I copied some advice about pairing this CPU with that set of memory so hopefully this memory is a good choice. 850 W PSU felt like the correct / safe amount of headroom.
The case is one spot where I'm paying extra for aesthetics and getting a little worse airflow than some other options but it's a serviceable choice I think.
I don't see why your mobo is more expensive than mine. So just keep shopping around if you want something a little cheaper.
Corsair and AMD CPU fits nicely. I have it in my current build and I never have any issues. I also only use Samsung 900+ SSDs, so I don't know if the Acer is good or not. Should be.
PSU looks fine as well.
Overall the build looks solid imo. If you save any money on the mobo, might as well go a tier up and get the 7900X CPU. Cryo can probably tell you more about the difference between the 2 if you want more information.
1: "E" chipsets guarantee PCI-E 5.0 wiring, including the 24 lanes from the cpu (for a couple of m.2 drives and the graphics card) - while the other ones don't
2: x670 has more i/o (for storage drives, USB's etc) than b650.
Both add cost.
For the PCI-E gen thing, i do have an eye on it for both the m.2 drives and for high FPS gaming but it's not something that i've had any use out of yet. A 4.0 x4 drive can be very fast, but a 5.0 x4 could have a meaningful edge in the near future. PCI-E gen also tends to be disproportionately impactful at higher FPS.
Here are some numbers on improvements that we got just in a year or so advancement on 4.0 x4 drives for load times, red numbers to yellow:
I'm curious to see what a 5.0 x4 drive can do.
And @ Zerocool
This is what vcache does on Baldur's Gate 3 and more than a few other games now if you use that 5200 memory
8c with vcache, 8c without. A 7900x would likely perform below the bottom result, but a 7800x3d is within 5% of the top one.
Similar stuff for MMO, RTS style games too. Here's a chart i never got around to publishing:
Can't test Stormgate til next month xx
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CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Nothing particularly wrong with this list of parts is there? I had a different SSD but it shot up in price so I browsed to find an alternative.
It looks fine to me, one thing that jumps out is that the 1TB drive. I've noticed personally that these drives slow down a lot when they start to get >50% full so having 2-4TB available in the main pair of m.2 slots can be much more comfortable and consistently performant.
1: "E" chipsets guarantee PCI-E 5.0 wiring, including the 24 lanes from the cpu (for a couple of m.2 drives and the graphics card) - while the other ones don't
2: x670 has more i/o (for storage drives, USB's etc) than b650.
Both add cost.
For the PCI-E gen thing, i do have an eye on it for both the m.2 drives and for high FPS gaming but it's not something that i've had any use out of yet. A 4.0 x4 drive can be very fast, but a 5.0 x4 could have a meaningful edge in the near future. PCI-E gen also tends to be disproportionately impactful at higher FPS.
Here are some numbers on improvements that we got just in a year or so advancement on 4.0 x4 drives for load times, red numbers to yellow:
I'm curious to see what a 5.0 x4 drive can do.
And @ Zerocool
This is what vcache does on Baldur's Gate 3 and more than a few other games now if you use that 5200 memory
8c with vcache, 8c without. A 7900x would likely perform below the bottom result, but a 7800x3d is within 5% of the top one.
Similar stuff for MMO, RTS style games too. Here's a chart i never got around to publishing:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Nothing particularly wrong with this list of parts is there? I had a different SSD but it shot up in price so I browsed to find an alternative.
It looks fine to me, one thing that jumps out is that the 1TB drive. I've noticed personally that these drives slow down a lot when they start to get >50% full so having 2-4TB available in the main pair of m.2 slots can be much more comfortable and consistently performant.
In my defense, I didn't even see the 670/650 difference. And that would make sense. Good call and thanks I would only ugrade to the 8000 series later this year if I changed from the 7900X. MAYBE get the 7950. I just have to consider how quickly I'd have to upgrade again.
The goal would be to be able to play Diablo 4 and Starcraft 2 with maximum graphics settings at a resolution of at least 1080p.
I would try new games as well. It would be ideal if newer titles could also achieve a constant 60+ FPS on medium-high settings.
A friend of mine said that if I want to play in 1440p, the Radeon RX 6700XT 12GB might not be enough, but I wont spend much more and I'm not even sure that I need a 32" WQHD monitor for gaming.
I rarely watch series/movies on a computer and I think 27" would be enough (now I have 22"), especially since 27+ is not recommended for Starcraft 2 afaik, because you have to move your head a bit while playing I guess.
Anyway, I sit about 80-90 cm from the screen.
Maybe I should change the monitor to 1080p 27”?
If so, what 144hz 27” 1080p monitor would you guys recommend?
If I go with 1080p should I go with a cheaper card than the RX 6700XT, isnt the 6700XT overkill for 1080p? If so what card you would recommend?
That's pretty good stuff, the 6700xt and 7600 cpu are both okay and not amazing so they will do fine for general 1080p max gameplay or 1440p/ultrawide with some settings reduced.
I would definitely look to buy a 12GB graphics card today like a 6700xt or a 4070 (or even a 3060 12GB at entry level), because 6-8GB is too easily limiting and that will get much worse in the future.
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