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On August 04 2015 17:32 mantequilla wrote:
Btw, I didn't use fast boot before at all. How do you get to bios if OS is damaged, it straight up loads windows.
My fast boot still has step where you get into bios. It's maybe shorter, so you might have to mash the button before it pops up
it does some stuff on this board like only enabling certain usb ports during the initial boot (there's a few "special" ones that you're supposed to use for mouse etc) + ps/2 ports - and also some stuff like not validating/training memory timings (i have no idea what the correct terms are, but you're supposed to turn it off when changing settings relating to a RAM overclock) ~ probably a bunch of other stuff under the hood too
it works no problem and cuts seconds off boot time so i just run it when i can :D
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What's your mobo? My friend got a msi h97 and it seems there's not a timing window that you can get into bios. So we disabled it. Booting old and slow style 
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looks like amazon.fr has €10 off a €50 purchase as well? did you use gift cards, cyro?
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Estonia4644 Posts
Here's my 840 as comparison
Same deal, 250 drive = 232GB - overprovisioning = 210GB and RAPID enabled
![[image loading]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42425448/840evo.png)
Some pretty mythical seq read&write numbers but considerably lower random reads&writes
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What does rapid do? RAID config or something else?
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On August 04 2015 19:30 Incognoto wrote:
looks like amazon.fr has €10 off a €50 purchase as well? did you use gift cards, cyro?
I did not!
On August 04 2015 18:00 mantequilla wrote:What's your mobo? My friend got a msi h97 and it seems there's not a timing window that you can get into bios. So we disabled it. Booting old and slow style
A z87x-ud3h at the moment. There's a fast boot and ultra fast boot mode, i just put fast on.
On August 04 2015 21:36 mantequilla wrote:
What does rapid do? RAID config or something else?
RAPID is a RAM cache. It helps a few niche benchmarks (like samsung's) a LOT (can hit like 6000MB/s sequential read) but doesn't help much if at all for real world performance in most cases.
When it's enabled, you can't really asess the drive performance with benchmarks very well. With a reading of ~50k IOPS though, it's likely that it would be way worse than mine and maybe improvable with some configuration or drivers (i had 80k IOPS when i plugged it in, went up by ~1.25x when i installed intel rapid storage thing from my motherboard website which improved benchmarks). 50k is just too low for these tier of drives, they can do much more
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cpmTOwE.png)
^Has the potential to completely redefine performance especially on the newer drives, but in practice AFAIK the times where it even helps at all are rare. It can't help with boot times since it's done in software after the OS loads and it does nothing to help unpredictable loads. Predictable loads are also already improved a lot by automatic windows behavior, so that cuts into the gains possible from a mode like this
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I just finished completing my build I plan to buy and I just wanted to post it here to know if I missed something / made a rookie mistake.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920*1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Mostly eSports game like StarCraft II, CS GO on low settings, 120 fps
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Watching Twitch, Netflix, etc., iTunes, Skype / TeamSpeak
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes, no heavily though. (Is the cooler I selected sufficient enough for that?)
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I plan to buy everything at mindfactory.
Here is the build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Mwave)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($338.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7HX ATX Mid Tower Case ($101.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Eizo FG2421-BK 240Hz 23.5" Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Other: BenQ GL2450 (Purchased)
Total: $1063.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-04 11:16 EDT-0400
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes, no heavily though. (Is the cooler I selected sufficient enough for that?)
Yes
Looks fine, maybe not optimal but good. What parts do you already have? None? You can set pcpartpicker to use german sites/prices. That will change the availability of parts too
That monitor is very expensive and still only takes a 120hz input, it is not one that i would choose but if used, it's probably for the VA panel
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Your build is very similar to mine. Runs amazing :D. I only have 2x4 gb RAM though...
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
Gratz that's a huge win :D the main thing against it is price.
If the items are at the german merchants, they should be listed. If they're on the sites but not on pcpartspicker, you can write the items/price underneath i guess
A single 450w would be alright for one 970, but not support absolute-max overclocks of everything or a higher end GPU (a 980ti has ~69% more cores than a 970 and uses a lot more power, future flagships will too) - 550w has a lot more headroom for that, but isn't great for multi-GPU due to lack of power when stuff is overclocked and only having two 6+2 pin pci-e connectors when GPU's often want two each. Also, a single 980ti (used or not) is preferable to two 970's for low latency gaming and also uses a bit to a lot less power, depending on how high you OC'd it
I don't know for sure the OC settings available or other stuff with that board, but it should be fine. The z97x-gaming 5 stood out as a z97 board for having a very good VRM for its price point which the gaming 3 does not have, but it's probably 25-30 euros more expensive and might not affect you at all. The VRM thing would only make a difference at higher OC's, and i'm not sure if the general options available (or other stuff on the board) are any different
132 euros is a lot for a case. My air 540 was around that price and is one of the best things in my system (top tier airflow and some of the easiest building and cable management available) so i'm not sure why you would prefer that one in particular unless you want the standard black PC box look. Didn't take a look at reviews for it though :D
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For the case I have a corsair spec 03 which has a fair price and is nice and roomy and has some really clever design features.
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On August 05 2015 02:32 Cyro wrote:
132 euros is a lot for a case. My air 540 was around that price and is one of the best things in my system (top tier airflow and some of the easiest building and cable management available) so i'm not sure why you would prefer that one in particular unless you want the standard black PC box look. Didn't take a look at reviews for it though :D
I just watched some videos of the air 540 and now I'm totally in love with it :D Think I'm going to go with it.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
Skylake info is quite confusing and a bit conflicting right now between sites. NDA went up, but it seems like a lot of people have partially complete info ~
Looks like IPC gains in the 7-15% region without a clockspeed loss against Haswell? We also have the improved-but-not-solder thermal interface straight out. A guy quoted 74c average core temp @4.6ghz 1.3v with a d15 - on i7.
brutal prices in the UK on www.overclockers.co.uk at least, a 6700k (quad core + HT) costs £320 while a 5820k (haswell 6 core + HT) costs £294.
Some people reporting clock speed gains~
Originally Posted by Sin0822
I haven't gotten clocks like I have with Skylake since Sandy Bridge (I can only validate 5.2GHz on air consistently on sandy bridge and skylake) my sample (which is a retail 6700K) can do 4.8GHz stable without a hitch (from what i have seen there were two types of ES, and one of them really sucked). I think 4.5ghz is an understatement. I would expect some people will be running 5ghz 24/7 with good sample maybe higher.
Good enough for me to semi-dissapointedly buy in order to have new mobo with ddr4 and a spot for an NVME SSD, i guess. I might buy i5 if they clock as well - £100 is £100.
It's actually in stores in stock available to pick up right this second.
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Meh I'd rather the 5820k if I was buying right now.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
Sure but 6600k is still the cheaper option and having more cores just doesn't help at all for too much of the stuff that CPU performance is desperately required for. That game that won't keep FPS over 100 (or those like sc2 that dip far lower)~ Encoding is good, but the CPU's are already fast, NVENC is a thing and offline encoding you can always just wait longer. I care more about a 10-15% gain with the same core count than for going 4 cores to 6 at the moment, but that may be a bad choice.
i5 + lowish end decent lga1151 board + 2x4GB of DDR4 doesn't cost all that much, not in comparison to what i was thinking originally (i7 + good board that supports nvme SSD + 16GB of ddr4) which seems prohibitively expensive
I must also point out that 2x4GB of 3000mhz c15 DDR4 RAM is about £65. It's silly to use 2133mhz c15.
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I still don't understand people who don't justify 6 cores. Gaming isn't all. You may run stuff in the background when multiple cores will be useful. This is when looking at benchmarks isn't enough. Moreover, DirectX 12 will happen at some point then you will all curse your 4 cores CPUs.
Skylake may be tempting but I'm sticking with my i7-5820K. CPUs before Skylake are still good for the required job.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
You may run stuff in the background when multiple cores will be useful.
Usually entirely irrelevant. Read the spoiler here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/233916-simple-questions-simple-answers?page=553#11050
Moreover, DirectX 12 will happen at some point then you will all curse your 4 cores CPUs.
Well threaded games w/ dx12 will see substantial performance improvement from having 6 cores instead of 4. However, that gain won't be +50% due to amdahl's law (dx12 isn't perfectly multithreaded, it's just better. A lot of game code can't be multithreaded). It's much more likely to be in the +10-35% range and Hyperthreading cuts into those gains as it helps the 4-core CPU but not the 6-core for the API workload.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see 5820k's coming 10-15% ahead of 6700k in some games, it just won't be that much more and that won't be the standard. It will also be reversed (or more) in the games that don't scale significantly onto more than 5 cores.
IPC gains as high as the 8-13% region (higher end of that being more niche programs like encoding, not what's expected for everything) confirmed on multiple sites and higher OC seems to be a thing. I'm thinking 15% ST performance upgrade right now from a 4.5ghz 4770k.
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/7/77/77cbd5c8_5.png)
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Looking for a laptop with an Intel Core i5-5350H and haven't found anything. Are there any on the market? Any webpages that list laptop systems by their processor?
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Do you think SC2 will get DX12 support with LotV?
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