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Bloody
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden194 Posts
July 27 2015 19:08 GMT
#11041
I get 10% lower benchmark result with CORSAIR Vengeance Dual C DDR3 8GB Kit, 1600MHz, 2x4GB, LP UNBUFFERED 9-9-9-24 1.5V.

http://tietokonekauppa.fi/product/68164/

Versus.

4*2GB DD3 SDRAM PC3-12800 Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 XMP:1.65V

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260


Why?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 21:21:43
July 27 2015 21:18 GMT
#11042
What benchmark and stat is benchmarking lower?

Did you also verify that they're both at the correct voltage, clock speed and primary timings in bios? You can also make sure that it's correctly installed for dual-channel operation with the memory tab of a program called cpu-z. That program will also show the clock speed and timings without you having to go into bios, it should read 800mhz 9-9-9-24 dual channel for the new RAM (it's double data rate RAM, the effective data rate is 1600mhz and that is what is advertised but the actual displayed clock speed is half of that)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Bloody
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden194 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 12:52:08
July 28 2015 09:53 GMT
#11043
On July 28 2015 06:18 Cyro wrote:
What benchmark and stat is benchmarking lower?

Did you also verify that they're both at the correct voltage, clock speed and primary timings in bios? You can also make sure that it's correctly installed for dual-channel operation with the memory tab of a program called cpu-z. That program will also show the clock speed and timings without you having to go into bios, it should read 800mhz 9-9-9-24 dual channel for the new RAM (it's double data rate RAM, the effective data rate is 1600mhz and that is what is advertised but the actual displayed clock speed is half of that)


Are the Corsair vengeance suppose to be as good or better?

Should I use two corsair vengeance and two of the other kind? There is a total of 4 ram slots on my motherboard (a97-a)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
July 28 2015 14:56 GMT
#11044
They're both 1600 9-9-9-24 so they should be pretty much the same, what benchmark is showing otherwise?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Bloody
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden194 Posts
July 28 2015 19:46 GMT
#11045
Turns out I did not have them in dual channel mode. Now I only get around 2% less score with PassMark performance test.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
July 29 2015 00:43 GMT
#11046
I use several programs and games for graphics card and CPU benchmarks, for memory aida64 and maxxmem

a 2% variance in overall performance is in margin for error anyway unless you're being extremely strict about how you benchmark and the program that you're using has very little variance in controlled conditions
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
help_pls
Profile Joined August 2015
6 Posts
August 03 2015 19:33 GMT
#11047
I get over 100 fps in every game that I play. When I play without anything running in the background then everything moves too fast like there is frames going missing. If I have something running in the background like a stream or youtube video then it's normal. Why?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
August 04 2015 07:10 GMT
#11048
then everything moves too fast like there is frames going missing


You mean like game is stuttering?

Sometimes running some stuff (especially flash player) makes GPU driver act differently and run at lower/higher clock speeds etc. You can monitor GPU clock speeds under load with a program called "gpu-z" and see if it's different when you have weird behavior
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ExChill
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany179 Posts
August 04 2015 13:42 GMT
#11049
I know that an i7 isn't worth it for a gaming-only system because most games don't make use of the extra cores / multi threading and that you should only get an i7 for rendering videos and stuff like that.

I often run many programs at the same time though, like Chrome with 20 Tabs, iTunes, SC2, Steam, Skype, OneNote and on top of that some tools in the background like Dropbox and Pushbullet.

Would an i7 make a difference compared to an i5, when running many programs at the same time?
Or would I only need more RAM for that?
https://twitter.com/ExChill_
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 15:10:59
August 04 2015 14:49 GMT
#11050
I often run many programs at the same time though, like Chrome with 20 Tabs, iTunes, SC2, Steam, Skype, OneNote and on top of that some tools in the background like Dropbox and Pushbullet.

Would an i7 make a difference compared to an i5, when running many programs at the same time?


edit: Didn't see which thread this was posted in. Oops.

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Most programs use very minimal amounts of CPU. I'll quote some numbers from what i have now with a 4770k @4.5ghz

these are deflated a little, because it's measured as if it's an 8 core CPU when it's actually 4 core+HT. In worst case scenario, the load might be considered twice as high (a 50% load on one core would read as 12.5% load on an i5 but 6.25% load on an i7, though their capabilities are not that different)

Firefox with 9 tabs open: 0.4% CPU load
VLC playing a .wav - 0.28% CPU
Steam idling - 0.07% CPU
Skype open - 0.02% CPU

everything on my system totalled together aside from KSP which is in the middle of gameplay literally adds up to under 1% CPU load. 2% if you assume that hyperthreading adds 0 performance. It's just not any type of challenge for a modern or even an old CPU.

somebody looking at the resource monitor or task manager might not get a clear picture if they have power saving settings enabled - the CPU might drop to 800mhz and show 10% load, but that's equivelant to only 2% load if it feels the need to run at higher clocks and rises to 4000mhz.

Chrome with 20 Tabs, iTunes, SC2, Steam, Skype, OneNote and on top of that some tools in the background like Dropbox and Pushbullet


The only thing in your list that i know to use any significant amount of CPU is sc2, which will max one core and put minor to moderate load on a second. iTunes should use almost 0 CPU unless it's badly coded (if so, maybe you could use something else for playing audio) and i'm not sure what OneNote or Pushbullet do, but it needs to be actual CPU heavy work to make a difference~

The added load from everyday desktop programs is just extremely minor, you usually need a program that has significant CPU load to even consider it. One of the more common ones would be livestreaming gameplay, live encoding while running the game itself. Hyperthreading might not raise the game framerate while you're streaming for various complicated reasons, but it will let you raise the resolution/FPS of the stream. The vast, vast majority of streams stick to lowish bitrates though, like 2-4mbit/s - an i5 4690k is already as fast as an i7 2600k or an fx 8320-9590 for encoding and is not really particularly challenged by encoding at those framerates and resolutions w/ x264 at quality-efficient settings.

The only time i'd recommend stepping to i7 for gaming would be when playing games that are CPU heavy and hit many cores at the same time, while also wanting to stream with CPU encoding. That's a bit of a niche, considering there are not many of those games and GPU encoding is quite good for them as a rule (NVENC will give you more ingame FPS, no CPU load, free ability to encode at whatever FPS and resolution you could want to stream at - you just have to pay by losing quality at the same bitrate)

The high end desktop platform (5820k) is also surprisingly competitively priced. If highly multithreaded performance is your thing, performance per dollar can actually be BETTER with the 6 core, 12 thread CPU because of how badly the 4 core i7's are priced.

RAM usage DOES massively increase as you open more programs. Browsers often hit a gigabyte or two for me, though i've seen a few friends with like 10GB dedicated to web browsers. Most of my programs use very little RAM but you can take a look at what you run, how much RAM it likes to use and if you like to open a lot of stuff, you can often benefit from 16GB or even 32GB of RAM. I'm thinking of going past 8 this upgrade because i'm more often running a heavy browser session, a few programs like that and it's becoming much more common for a game to eat 3-6GB of RAM alone.

I was forced to start running new skype recently, it regularly got to huge inflated amounts of memory usages and even crashed with out of memory errors, but since i blocked the adverts it doesn't do that any more and sticks at ~150MB.


My PC responsiveness has very noticably improved going from an older SSD with ~350MB/s read, ~100MB/s write and ~50k IOPS (going from memory) to this one with ~550MB/s, ~530MB/s and ~98k IOPS, so you can also consider that the price gap between a quad core i5 and quad core i7 will buy you something like 350GB of good SSD.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ExChill
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany179 Posts
August 04 2015 15:20 GMT
#11051
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
With this I finished my build. I just posted it here if you want to take a look at it :D
https://twitter.com/ExChill_
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 06:02:05
August 06 2015 01:31 GMT
#11052
nvm i found a 25 dollar remote that should work good
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
DrunkenJedi
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany175 Posts
August 07 2015 10:07 GMT
#11053
Hey, have a problem with pop out of twitch and azubu streams on teamliquid. on twitch.tv it is working fine.

when i click on pop out there is only a small wide stripe of the stream in the top of the window. below that window is just white. resizing the window wont change anything.....

Anyone an idea how to fix this? Screenshot [img]http://i.imgur.com/T13qPGo.png[/img]
"Don't worry, I use Special Tactics this time, no problem."
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 11:52:14
August 07 2015 11:38 GMT
#11054
This might be a bit complicated for SQSA but I'll start here and make a thread if it gets too much.

I'm pretty sure the PCIe x16 slot on my z77 pro3 has died. My trusty 560 Ti (and two older GPUs I had lying around) started giving black screens at post, but work ok in the x4 slot. Is blaming the board reasonable here? PSU is basically brand new.

Running in the x4 slot, it now blackscreens at the windows logo as soon as I install the NVIDIA drivers. I can always get to safemode, and if I use safemode to uninstall the NVIDIA stuff again I can get to normal in VGA.

I can't get the driver working, though. I've tried 4 different versions from the past 1.5 years and every combination of disabling/enabling adapters, installing in safe/normal etc. that I can think of.

Does this sound like something that can be solved with more fiddling/reformat or is it likely the hardware is fubared?

I would love to be able to limp along on the x4 slot for at least another month or two, especially since TI5 is on atm.

Full specs:
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Intel G2030 (yeah, ikr)
ASROCK z77 pro3
ASUS GTX560 Ti
2x G.skill 4Gb 1600Mhz
Antec Earthwatts 650W
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 07:43:54
August 08 2015 03:17 GMT
#11055
[H] Low fps dota 2 on new comp

I have i7 4790, and MSI R9 390 gpu, 750 watts, 16gb ram etc..

I get 60+ fps without ambient occlusion, then it drops to 20-30 when i turn it on. Running it at 1920x1080 not that it matters this card is built to handle witcher 3 and other games at ultra + 4k res.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 04:26:35
August 08 2015 04:24 GMT
#11056
That really should not happen; probably open up a monitoring system to see what the usage is like with dota running
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 08 2015 10:19 GMT
#11057
I got access to win10 and it tryies to install autotmatically...
I dont want it. I only want it on cd for a later date.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 08 2015 10:29 GMT
#11058
i am kinda angry right now, this windows 10 bullshit tries to install the newest nvidia drivers - i dont want them - doing a clean remove - installing old drivers (cuz new ones crash a lot for me and the gta5 rdy drivers do not i try to use them) but yesterday this windows 10 shit just installed the newest again. now i removed them again, installed the desired driver and rebooted...now it just wants to install the newest ones again even thou i ve fucking disabled windows update....what the fuck is wrong with this shit windows
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 11:23:15
August 08 2015 11:18 GMT
#11059
I've been wanting to install Windows 10 but as of right now, still no reason to.

I guess if it does that kind of stuff, I won't be installing it yet..

hmm

I also don't like that apparently Windows 10 is tied to a single computer and that no keys are given.

Really maybe it's time to start looking at Linux and Linux game support

On August 08 2015 12:17 BrutalMenace wrote:
[H] Low fps dota 2 on new comp

I have i7 4790, and MSI R9 390 gpu, 750 watts, 16gb ram etc..

I get 60+ fps without ambient occlusion, then it drops to 20-30 when i turn it on. Running it at 1920x1080 not that it matters this card is built to handle witcher 3 and other games at ultra + 4k res.



Hey, if you're using latest AMD drivers, try this perhaps.

Go to AMD control panel and select or unselect VSR.

Just toggle it. At the moment with latest AMD drivers I am forced to touch these options (doesn't matter on / off, just need to toggle) just to get acceptable fps in odl games:

http://i.imgur.com/cKUIFq9.png
maru lover forever
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 08 2015 20:00 GMT
#11060
Why my samsung magician can not detect firmware 4.6? Did they forget that magician should detect it automatically? You can find 4.6 on their homepage.
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