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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 11:03:58
June 10 2015 11:03 GMT
#9981
You cna technically mix sticks from different manufactures as long as they're in the same generation and if they have the same latency and voltage, really wouldn't recommend it, though. DDR2 is getting ancient as well. If you want to upgrade check your mobo's manufacturer website to see what is compatible with it.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 11:16:37
June 10 2015 11:16 GMT
#9982
im not paying £25-70 just for another bit of ddr2 ram that might not work ill just wait it out
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 12:21:17
June 10 2015 12:21 GMT
#9983
ddr2 became obsolete 6 years ago, you can't "future proof" stuff >5 years (or even very well for 5 years) with PC's

so old, we're going onto ddr4 already
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 10 2015 16:52 GMT
#9984
Hey guys,
I am thinking about buying a headset since I started playing Heroes of the Storm because it's so important to communicate well in teamgames.
When I played SCII I didn't need one and used a microphone + speakers to skype from time to time. When I play Hots with my girlfriend in the same room, it's hard to communicate via microphone.

What kind of Headset would you guys recommend? Shouldn't be much more than 50,-
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 19:21:45
June 10 2015 18:54 GMT
#9985
Friend got one of these recently and it seems fine (with separate headphones)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-ZM-MIC1-ZMMIC1-Lapel-Microphone/dp/B00029MTMQ

headsets are alright but usually not amazing, especially at lower price points
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 06:23:33
June 11 2015 06:11 GMT
#9986
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 11 2015 06:34 GMT
#9987
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 11 2015 07:29 GMT
#9988
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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 11 2015 12:06 GMT
#9989
On June 11 2015 03:54 Cyro wrote:
Friend got one of these recently and it seems fine (with separate headphones)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-ZM-MIC1-ZMMIC1-Lapel-Microphone/dp/B00029MTMQ

headsets are alright but usually not amazing, especially at lower price points


Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy.
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
June 11 2015 13:36 GMT
#9990
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)


-----

Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy


you did not link anything~ i can't give good advice on particular headsets
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 11 2015 15:18 GMT
#9991
On June 11 2015 22:36 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)


-----

Show nested quote +
Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy


you did not link anything~ i can't give good advice on particular headsets



Sorry, with "these" I ment complete headphones in general instead of just the microphone that was recommended.

I found these here:
1. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/HyperX-Cloud-schwarz-weiss_972185.html
2. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-Headset-GSone-schwarz_941831.html
3. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-G430-schwarz-blau_857844.html
4. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-USB-Headset-H540-schwarz_811458.html

Do you know anything about them?

"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
June 11 2015 15:52 GMT
#9992
nop sry
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 19:47:48
June 11 2015 19:47 GMT
#9993
On June 11 2015 22:36 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)

Which is the price that needs to be paid to fit under budget if that's the priority. The GTX 960 is significantly worse but also quite up to the task for 1080p60 gaming on medium/high settings.


edit: HyperX Cloud seems relatively popular but I've not used any of those.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 20:59:52
June 11 2015 19:56 GMT
#9994
The GTX 960 is significantly worse but also quite up to the task for 1080p60 gaming on medium/high settings.


It is, but high end cards are literally three times faster. With only 2GB of VRAM and the performance it has, i classify it as low end

gm206 = 8smm, 128 bit, 2GB ----- gtx960
gm204 = 13-16smm, 224-256 bit, 3.5 - 4GB ----- 970, 980
gm200 = 22-24smm, 384 bit, 6GB ----- 980ti, Titan

some models have doubled VRAM (4GB 960's which should be mostly avoided, plus Titan 12GB) but there's pretty clear scaling there.

We have three chips (low end, midrange, high end) - the midrange is approx 2x as fast as low and the high end is approx 3x as fast.

The naming scheme of this gen has just been terrible all around with the 980ti and 960 in particular being out of place. They don't clarify properly how strong/weak they are in the lineup (960 being weaker than imagined and 980ti actually being in a different class to 980)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17288 Posts
June 11 2015 20:56 GMT
#9995
On June 12 2015 00:18 Sewi wrote:
Sorry, with "these" I ment complete headphones in general instead of just the microphone that was recommended.

I have a few pairs of Logitech g930s. They're expensive at full price, but they go on sale fairly often. I've seen them drop down to about 40-50% off a few times. Don't buy the refurbished version, they're garbage. You'll get booms that won't stay up and damaged headphone padding.

Sound quality is solid. I keep one at work for listening to music. There's a "surround sound" mode that you can toggle that I'm a fan of.

These are circumaural and active noise cancelling. It takes some getting used to since the brain isn't a huge fan of the normal every day background noise being suppressed, but it blocks out noise around you quite well. The same isn't true for the microphone; it will pick up noises around you (a loud keyboard, someone talking, etc.).

I wouldn't recommend getting them at full price (~120 USD), but if you can get them around the 60-80 USD mark they're solid.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
June 12 2015 15:29 GMT
#9996
On June 12 2015 00:18 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 22:36 Cyro wrote:
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)


-----

Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy


you did not link anything~ i can't give good advice on particular headsets



Sorry, with "these" I ment complete headphones in general instead of just the microphone that was recommended.

I found these here:
1. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/HyperX-Cloud-schwarz-weiss_972185.html
2. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-Headset-GSone-schwarz_941831.html
3. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-G430-schwarz-blau_857844.html
4. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-USB-Headset-H540-schwarz_811458.html

Do you know anything about them?


Much easier to give you advice if you have an idea how much you're approximately willing to spend. Generally picking up a cheapo mic and headphones is the far superior solution though, the vast majority of gaming headsets are horrible, and even the "okay" ones are overpriced. You'll get certainly get better audio when buying equivalently priced headphones + a £5 mic, which you can always upgrade to a nicer one later on.
Also, please don't buy from mindfactory, never had any good experiences with them, they're quite notorious for sending out used products as new goods.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 12 2015 16:18 GMT
#9997
On June 13 2015 00:29 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 00:18 Sewi wrote:
On June 11 2015 22:36 Cyro wrote:
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)


-----

Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy


you did not link anything~ i can't give good advice on particular headsets



Sorry, with "these" I ment complete headphones in general instead of just the microphone that was recommended.

I found these here:
1. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/HyperX-Cloud-schwarz-weiss_972185.html
2. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-Headset-GSone-schwarz_941831.html
3. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-G430-schwarz-blau_857844.html
4. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-USB-Headset-H540-schwarz_811458.html

Do you know anything about them?


Much easier to give you advice if you have an idea how much you're approximately willing to spend. Generally picking up a cheapo mic and headphones is the far superior solution though, the vast majority of gaming headsets are horrible, and even the "okay" ones are overpriced. You'll get certainly get better audio when buying equivalently priced headphones + a £5 mic, which you can always upgrade to a nicer one later on.
Also, please don't buy from mindfactory, never had any good experiences with them, they're quite notorious for sending out used products as new goods.


As I mentioned above, I want to spend around 50,-.
I think you are right, that many gaming headsets are pretty much useless if you dont spend tons of money, and even then - as you stated - many are overpriced because of brands and/or design...

Do you have any recommendations for good headphones around ~50?
Would you recommend wireless or wired headphones?

About mindfactory: I can't say anything bad about them. I bought parts for two complete systems and everything was fine so far. Guess you can have good/bad experiences with most shops but I don't mind buying from anywhere else.
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
June 12 2015 16:34 GMT
#9998
The i5-5675C has some impressive integrated graphics.

[image loading]

Entry-level graphics cards are becoming obsolete faster than I expected.

It'll be pointless to buy anything below a GTX 960 / R9 280 for Skylake i5 processors.
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
June 12 2015 19:03 GMT
#9999
On June 13 2015 01:18 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 00:29 dismiss wrote:
On June 12 2015 00:18 Sewi wrote:
On June 11 2015 22:36 Cyro wrote:
On June 11 2015 16:29 krndandaman wrote:
On June 11 2015 15:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The first one (with the Core i5-4590) is about right, except too expensive. Basically the price needs to drop ~$100 so Windows can be thrown in and come under $800. You can do just that by getting a GTX 960 instead of the GTX 970, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091

For a monitor, if you don't need height or other stand adjustments and prefer or don't mind a glossy panel (if there's a window or any light source behind a glossy monitor, this is very bad), the Dell S2340M for $170 is reasonable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BM2WP3879

I looked around some but didn't find amazing deals available on monitors.

You could probably also save on shipping and hassle by getting similar parts from the same retailer rather than having that many different orders. If you need help with this, ask.


thanks so much!
question: how big is the drop off from the gtx970 to 960? from what I've read people going for gaming desktops tend to prioritize the video card heavily. is the drop off negligible for my needs?

but yeah i'm probably going to settle on that build, dropping to the 960 should make it the perfect price for me.


970 is about ~65-70% stronger with 2x VRAM, so i'd suggest just saving up the $100 (960 is more low end, 970 is still not even close to the higher end cards released now and coming soon but it's much better)


-----

Thank you, but I don't have any good hedphones so I'd like to buy a complete headset.
Any advice on these? Quality should be ok and what's most important is that it is comfortable to wear / not too heavy


you did not link anything~ i can't give good advice on particular headsets



Sorry, with "these" I ment complete headphones in general instead of just the microphone that was recommended.

I found these here:
1. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/HyperX-Cloud-schwarz-weiss_972185.html
2. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Sharkoon-Headset-GSone-schwarz_941831.html
3. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-G430-schwarz-blau_857844.html
4. http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Logitech-USB-Headset-H540-schwarz_811458.html

Do you know anything about them?


Much easier to give you advice if you have an idea how much you're approximately willing to spend. Generally picking up a cheapo mic and headphones is the far superior solution though, the vast majority of gaming headsets are horrible, and even the "okay" ones are overpriced. You'll get certainly get better audio when buying equivalently priced headphones + a £5 mic, which you can always upgrade to a nicer one later on.
Also, please don't buy from mindfactory, never had any good experiences with them, they're quite notorious for sending out used products as new goods.


As I mentioned above, I want to spend around 50,-.
I think you are right, that many gaming headsets are pretty much useless if you dont spend tons of money, and even then - as you stated - many are overpriced because of brands and/or design...

Do you have any recommendations for good headphones around ~50?
Would you recommend wireless or wired headphones?

About mindfactory: I can't say anything bad about them. I bought parts for two complete systems and everything was fine so far. Guess you can have good/bad experiences with most shops but I don't mind buying from anywhere else.

Definitely wired. I'm not super sure on the prices but the Audio Technica ATH-T400, AKG Y50, and AKG K540 are all decent, circumaural headphones that should be ~around your price range.
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