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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
April 22 2015 21:14 GMT
#9621
Buy one if you want one now
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
PrOsperity
Profile Joined November 2010
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-23 04:17:20
April 23 2015 04:04 GMT
#9622
On April 22 2015 09:19 Cyro wrote:
For your programs, >8GB of RAM might be very useful. A friend of mine said that many CPU cores was also useful for MatLab, but i don't know anything about the hardware usages of the other unfortunately, so i have no more info than you would have with a 5 second google search for them

It's very bad value on GPU's to go past the 970 or r9 290 (on AMD side) - the 980 costs often 1.65x more for only 1.2x performance gain and for a few reasons, is not worth paying a premium for (based on what it actually is and why the market value is as artificially high as it is right now for that one card)

For a system like that, a 450w PSU would work but good 550w unit would be very comfortable at any overclocks


What graphics card would you suggest in the $300-450 range? I would like to be about $150 off the $600 pricepoint listed in the typical professional build.

*Edit*

Doing some more homework, what is the difference between these two 780's?

03G-P4-2784-RX
03G-P4-2884-KR

http://www.evga.com/Products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=E00844C5-564F-4038-99C2-BBB56CE8134D
http://www.evga.com/Products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=E4755EA0-12DF-4F22-ABA3-650C494D83DC

I guess I am just wondering how to quantify all the numbers. There's almost a $350 dollar price break between the two, is the performance really that different?
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
April 23 2015 05:05 GMT
#9623
One is a Ti edition, the other one isn't.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
April 23 2015 15:32 GMT
#9624
On April 23 2015 13:04 PrOsperity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 09:19 Cyro wrote:
For your programs, >8GB of RAM might be very useful. A friend of mine said that many CPU cores was also useful for MatLab, but i don't know anything about the hardware usages of the other unfortunately, so i have no more info than you would have with a 5 second google search for them

It's very bad value on GPU's to go past the 970 or r9 290 (on AMD side) - the 980 costs often 1.65x more for only 1.2x performance gain and for a few reasons, is not worth paying a premium for (based on what it actually is and why the market value is as artificially high as it is right now for that one card)

For a system like that, a 450w PSU would work but good 550w unit would be very comfortable at any overclocks


What graphics card would you suggest in the $300-450 range? I would like to be about $150 off the $600 pricepoint listed in the typical professional build.

*Edit*

Doing some more homework, what is the difference between these two 780's?

03G-P4-2784-RX
03G-P4-2884-KR

http://www.evga.com/Products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=E00844C5-564F-4038-99C2-BBB56CE8134D
http://www.evga.com/Products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=E4755EA0-12DF-4F22-ABA3-650C494D83DC

I guess I am just wondering how to quantify all the numbers. There's almost a $350 dollar price break between the two, is the performance really that different?


One is 780 acx (regular), the other is 780ti acx superclocked

the 780ti has 25% more core clusters and faster stock VRAM (VRAM that probably clocks higher too)

you should be looking at current gen cards though. 970/980 for nvidia unless your programs ran significantly faster on the older tech (i'm not aware of any in particular)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Inex
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria443 Posts
April 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#9625
Hi guys I am thinking of getting this PC below and I am interested to know if you think that's a good configuration for 1080p gaming:

Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache

ASUS® H97I-PLUS: Mini-ITX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs

8GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960 - DVI, HDMI, 3 DP - 3D Vision Ready

240GB KINGSTON HYPERX 3K SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 555MB/sR | 510MB/sW)

500GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD5003AZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)

CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY


The processor is the regular non K version because I am not interested in overclocking it. 3.5GHz I think should be enough for 1080p. The video card is 4GB VRAM because I hear some games already demand more than 2GB at 1080p and I am sure the games later this year will be even more demanding. I was thinking of getting a GTX 970, but I am going beyond my budget. I can probably slash a few things off the list and squeeze the GTX 970, but for 1080p gaming is it worth it?

Thank you very much for your help!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-23 21:01:52
April 23 2015 20:59 GMT
#9626
3.5GHz I think should be enough for 1080p


The resolution is irrelevant when considering CPU performance.

If you want >2GB of VRAM you should get an r9 280/x, 290 or 970. Of those, the 290 should have a higher capacity PSU and a bit more consideration for airflow~

you need 2x4GB of RAM otherwise your memory bandwidth will be halved

kingston is not good to buy SSD's from, they have some shady practices there. An SSD is something where there's not really a reason for you to not re-use it for like a decade straight, so it's good to get a good one.

other stuff is mostly about price vs quality of the part, and that info isn't listed
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-24 14:12:17
April 24 2015 13:44 GMT
#9627
I'm looking to upgrade my girlfriend's laptop. I'm pretty savvy when it comes to desktop hardware, but I'm very inexperienced when it comes to laptop hardware. I want to get her a (new) video card, so she can play some games on normal settings (mainly games like Heroes of the Storm and Diablo) with decent fps (40-60). I'm not looking to turn this thing into the ultimate gaming machine or something; I just want a pretty serious fps boost (she current gets like 15-25 fps in Heroes of the Storm on the lowest settings).

What is your current build?
She has a HP 2000-2D89NR.

2.6ghz i5-3230M

4GB ram


What is your monitor's native resolution?
Not sure

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
GPU for better fps on normal settings on "basic" Blizzard games like Heroes of the Storm, Diablo etc. Not looking to turn this laptop into a high end gaming machine.

What is your budget?
$150-200 (?) I'm not sure what is realistic for a laptop gfx card.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Prefer nvidia cards, but not required.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
April 24 2015 15:45 GMT
#9628
On April 24 2015 22:44 HardlyNever wrote:
I'm looking to upgrade my girlfriend's laptop. I'm pretty savvy when it comes to desktop hardware, but I'm very inexperienced when it comes to laptop hardware. I want to get her a (new) video card, so she can play some games on normal settings (mainly games like Heroes of the Storm and Diablo) with decent fps (40-60). I'm not looking to turn this thing into the ultimate gaming machine or something; I just want a pretty serious fps boost (she current gets like 15-25 fps in Heroes of the Storm on the lowest settings).

What is your current build?
She has a HP 2000-2D89NR.

2.6ghz i5-3230M

4GB ram


What is your monitor's native resolution?
Not sure

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
GPU for better fps on normal settings on "basic" Blizzard games like Heroes of the Storm, Diablo etc. Not looking to turn this laptop into a high end gaming machine.

What is your budget?
$150-200 (?) I'm not sure what is realistic for a laptop gfx card.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.

Prefer nvidia cards, but not required.

Good luck finding a "laptop graphics card" on the consumer market. You are likely better off saving 300-400 and building a ghetto build desktop with used and salvaged parts.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 24 2015 16:47 GMT
#9629
A laptop of that kind won't have an MXM slot, never mind the appropriate cooling apparatus to even connect to a heatsink. Typically until the bulky $1500+ gaming laptops or so, even if it comes with dedicated (not in the CPU) graphics, it's soldered onto the mainboard. And even on those laptops, upgrade options can be nonexistent.

Anyway, you're out of luck.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
April 24 2015 16:56 GMT
#9630
Ok, thanks for the help.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
PrOsperity
Profile Joined November 2010
United States10 Posts
April 24 2015 18:15 GMT
#9631
Okay, looking to finalize the selection on the graphics card and go ahead and purchase it today.

What do we think about this card? Seems to be at a pretty good price right now, although from what I've read about the stock cards the 980 should outperform this right? Or this this similar to NVDIA's gtX series?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202144
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-24 21:02:39
April 24 2015 20:56 GMT
#9632
On April 25 2015 03:15 PrOsperity wrote:
Okay, looking to finalize the selection on the graphics card and go ahead and purchase it today.

What do we think about this card? Seems to be at a pretty good price right now, although from what I've read about the stock cards the 980 should outperform this right? Or this this similar to NVDIA's gtX series?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202144


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202143&cm_re=r9_290-_-14-202-143-_-Product

Price/performance is over 1.35x better on that card. 290 to 290x difference is extremely small if you clock them the same (less than 5% usually)

970 is their rival, 980 is ~1.2x faster.

That's for gaming purposes - you should check if your software can utilize any GPU's for something useful, and if so, which ones
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
April 24 2015 23:53 GMT
#9633
Is it ok to buy a used PSU? Half the price, 2-3 years old.
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
April 25 2015 00:06 GMT
#9634
Depends what PSU it is
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 00:22:47
April 25 2015 00:20 GMT
#9635
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xilence-RedWing-Series-R3-Gaming-Power-Supply-Unit-400W-SPS-XP400-12-R3-PSU-/111240140326

for about 18 dollars
Age of Mythology forever!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 25 2015 00:29 GMT
#9636
That one? Not advisable unless maybe you want a cheap spare for testing or something like that.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
April 25 2015 00:31 GMT
#9637
I'm just gonna run a low power build, some i3 + gtx 750. Isn't it ok?
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-25 01:22:10
April 25 2015 01:21 GMT
#9638
Looks like a pretty bad quality unit (quality is way more important than wattage), and you wouldn't have any warranty for that (though PSU warranties don't cover if they damage your other parts, even if it did have one)

not worth IMO. Buying a bad PSU is cheap, but buying a bad PSU and then buying a good PSU a year later is more expensive than just buying a good PSU.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17278 Posts
April 25 2015 01:46 GMT
#9639
You can get a quality unit for ~$40. You're much better off forking out another $20 on the component that is responsible for managing the electricity going to all the components and dealing with load variations and surges coming off the wall/strip.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
April 25 2015 04:20 GMT
#9640
The red flags on that one (though i'm light on the PSU knowledge) is random brand/psu i've never heard of before, no easily findable reviews of quality on google, "high efficiency" yet no mention of actual efficiency (and not 80+ certified, which is not hard to get). It's also not active PFC and i remember that was bad, but not really how bad. Overall though some of the guys who actually know what they are talking about for PSU's have called more well known PSU's without those problems (or shady business) bad units. There's a pretty wide scale of good vs bad and i think that one is very likely to be quite far on the bad side.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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