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Windows 8: Increasing USB polling rate

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Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 14:14:30
November 15 2012 08:59 GMT
#1
Hi peeps,

The Win 7 (64bit) method doesn't work in Win 8 , even with Test Mode enabled (shows Test mode enabled on Win 8 desktop).

So if anyone has been able to successfully increase USB polling rate to 500Hz in Windows please share.

If I find out, I will post solution in this post, Thanks!



WORKAROUND: I managed to get my mouse running at 200Hz in Windows 8 via PS2 port (PS2 to USB adapter). Feels very similar now to USB 500Hz Win 7 settings. Uses less CPU cycles this way as well.

Program I used:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/PS2_Mouse_Adjuster_d298.html

Method:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/PS-2-Mouse-Report-Rate-under-Windows-7-x64/td-p/441128

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pidikun
Profile Joined October 2010
Japan22 Posts
November 15 2012 09:13 GMT
#2
Which old method do you mean?
Did you try the Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider?

Like this:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.mikemartin.co/gaming_tweaks/tier_3/mouse_tweaks/polling_rate
Two hours of trial and error can save ten minutes of manual reading.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 15 2012 09:30 GMT
#3
Thats the method he tried.
twitch.tv/medrea
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 09:52:06
November 15 2012 09:42 GMT
#4
Yeah tried MikeMartin method , unfortunately doesn't work. Also tried the NGOHQ (http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html) method and even tried manually copying HIDUSBF.SYS to WoW64 folder , no go as well.



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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 15 2012 10:30 GMT
#5
I think you are gonna need to get the dev kit and sign your own drivers.

Good luck.
twitch.tv/medrea
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
November 15 2012 11:19 GMT
#6
Thanks for that tip , I will look into that.

WORKAROUND: I managed to get my mouse running at 200Hz in Windows 8 via PS2 port (PS2 to USB adapter). Feels very similar now to USB 500Hz Win 7 settings. Uses less CPU cycles this way as well.

Program I used:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/PS2_Mouse_Adjuster_d298.html

Method:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/PS-2-Mouse-Report-Rate-under-Windows-7-x64/td-p/441128
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 15 2012 11:38 GMT
#7
You generally dont have to worry about CPU cycles for a mouse. We are beyond that. PS2 for mice isnt recommended (its the best thing for keyboards though).
twitch.tv/medrea
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 11:48:29
November 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#8
That's true, CPU cycles isn't a major concern with PCs these days.

Why isn't PS2 recommended for mice ? Where did you hear that ?

Mouse performance feels great with PS2 and the tweaks, definitely an improvement from default Windows 8 settings (125Hz USB).
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
November 15 2012 12:34 GMT
#9
Most mice can do 500hz over USB though, and some 1k
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 14:13:39
November 15 2012 14:00 GMT
#10
Yeah USB can OC upto 1000Hz but I dont really notice an improvement over 500Hz.

Was trying out Windows 8 but gotta say, even ignoring the inability to OC the USB, Im not too impressed with Win 8. Im sticking with Windows 7.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
November 15 2012 14:15 GMT
#11
Because 1ms of input lag is almost impossible to detect
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
November 15 2012 14:19 GMT
#12
Depends on the person and the mouse, but generally speaking yeah.
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DarK[A]
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States217 Posts
November 15 2012 14:26 GMT
#13
What mouse are you using? Is my Sensei running at 1000 hz or do I have to apply a fix in 7?
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
November 15 2012 14:43 GMT
#14
The mouse only transmits data when the host controller asks for it, so even if you had your mouse set to 1000Hz, unless your USB port is configured to 1000Hz there will be a bottleneck at the motherboard end. Also, PS/2 default speeds are either 40 or 80Hz an can be clocked to 200-250 iirc.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333648
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
November 15 2012 14:43 GMT
#15
On November 15 2012 23:19 Parcelleus wrote:
Depends on the person and the mouse, but generally speaking yeah.


There is so much lag from other processes. On a 60hz screen you have a 16.6ms delay between frame updates, so if you move your mouse at the right time you wont see any movement for at least that long. 1/1000'th of a second is an impossibly small window to detect or feel. In a blind test i dont think it is even humanly possible to differentiate between 1ms and 2ms of mouse input lag on top of every other factor.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 15:12:38
November 15 2012 15:05 GMT
#16
On November 15 2012 23:26 DarK[A] wrote:
What mouse are you using? Is my Sensei running at 1000 hz or do I have to apply a fix in 7?


WMO 1.1A , not sure about the Sensei but check your software. Otherwise you can OC your USB upto 1000Hz using this article from NGOHQ; http://www.ngohq.com/news/15043-how-to-increase-usb-sample-rate-in-windows-vista-7-a.html


On November 15 2012 23:43 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 23:19 Parcelleus wrote:
Depends on the person and the mouse, but generally speaking yeah.


There is so much lag from other processes. On a 60hz screen you have a 16.6ms delay between frame updates, so if you move your mouse at the right time you wont see any movement for at least that long. 1/1000'th of a second is an impossibly small window to detect or feel. In a blind test i dont think it is even humanly possible to differentiate between 1ms and 2ms of mouse input lag on top of every other factor.


Yeah that is why most people myself included use 500Hz. I have seen other gamers who use 1000Hz and prefer that, whatever floats your boat.
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Radu
Profile Joined March 2014
Romania1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 22:13:42
March 18 2014 22:12 GMT
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