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Anyone else tried Avermedia Live Gamer HD C985?

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emart835
Profile Joined November 2011
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 15:38:09
September 06 2012 15:37 GMT
#1
After reading Destiny's review on this capture card, I am extremely convinced and it looks like it will help alot with anyone who has jittery/stuttery lag while streaming though Xsplit. I am more than likely going to purchase this, as it would be cheaper than replacing my processor along with a compatible motherboard. My in-game lag is very slight, but still annoying and affects my play tremendously, and this card looks like it should help just enough to remove the stutter. Post if you have anything to say on it! Good or bad. I need more feedback.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 06 2012 17:20 GMT
#2
You know he wrote that because he's sponsored by them, right?
What he says might be true, but just stating what's available as knowledge.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-06 17:52:09
September 06 2012 17:30 GMT
#3
itmejp uses that card as well. Check out his streams.

That card is necessary if you want to do 1080p720p @ 60 FPS.

Whether or not you can actually make use of this depends on your setup. Two i7 sandy bridge or better processors might be required to get a 60 FPS stream that stays that way through thick and through thin.

And no you wont be able to play SC2 above 60 FPS in 200/200 clashes because no processor can hold up to that speed yet. For the other 95 percent of the game though is fine.

60 FPS streams are becoming really important. Soon people wont want to look at low FPS streams.
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emart835
Profile Joined November 2011
United States24 Posts
September 07 2012 00:31 GMT
#4
If the card just removes the stuttery/jittery effect when scrolling on the edge of the screen and on the units themselves, then I could kinda care less about the stream framerate. I just want to be able to stream but also be able to actually play my game while doing it. When I have to sacrifice all of my micro to stream, its not worth it. It's a waste of practice time. Destiny quotes "Streaming with the capture card eliminates all of the jittery laggy problems that occur when streaming." If this is true, then this is more than worth it for me.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 07 2012 17:59 GMT
#5
Go for it then. That card has a lot of accolades right now.
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ZeroTalent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 19:20:24
September 07 2012 19:20 GMT
#6
Right now the Avermedia probably the best game in town. The only people I know in person who use it are using it to stream console games. The concerns there are a little different b/c they're not streaming & playing from the same rig, but they all seem to like it better than similar cards from e.g. Hauppauge. It also has the best XSplit support since they test XSplit against it regularly.

The Blackmagic products do okay, but the Intensity Shuttle only runs on a handful of motherboards over USB 3.0, and at 1080p it's coming very close to the theoretical limit of USB 3.0. Over Thunderbolt it will probably work better but Thunderbolt is even rarer.

All of this stuff is really bleeding edge and usually used by a very small number of users. There's something to be said for just going with whatever is tested most thoroughly (which is definitely the Avermedia+XSplit combination).

60 FPS streams are becoming really important. Soon people wont want to look at low FPS streams.


Please god I hope not ...
Can we get an official definition of "all-in"? Please?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 19:46:05
September 07 2012 19:45 GMT
#7
60 FPS streams are awesome. If we had 120 FPS streams I'd be all over that too.

Im sure streaming technology will improve to where 60 FPS is very manageable and not too expensive.

By the time we have skymont the i3's should be able to do it.
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
September 07 2012 20:43 GMT
#8
People are so used to watching media around 24-30 FPS... when they see something @60FPS, the immediate reaction is negative for many. Also, many have negative feelings about the "soap opera effect" created by TV's which use interpolation to turn a source video at 24FPS into 120 or 240.

I vividly remember when IPL 3 had their stream @ 60 FPS (and it was a high quality stream too). It was gorgeous. I look forward to the days when most other tournaments will do the same. I'm tired of watching crappy/mediocre 480 to 720p @25-30 FPS streams from tournaments. Which reminds me, I need to buy the NASL ticket... put my money where my mouth is.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 20:57:07
September 07 2012 20:49 GMT
#9
Passing phase. 30 FPS offers no advantages over 60 FPS from an image quality standpoint.

When the only reason people dont like something is because its different, it doesn't last (the old way).

I dont even know why the reaction is negative. 60 FPS is so much easier on the eyes. The effect is immediate and gratifying. When you go from watching 30 FPS for a long time, to a 60 FPS stream, you get this mind melting effect, which is what i guess people dont like because OMG DIFFERENT KILL IT IM AGAINST DIFFERENT.
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OCDizordr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 21:21:43
September 07 2012 21:16 GMT
#10
On September 07 2012 02:30 Medrea wrote:
And no you wont be able to play SC2 above 60 FPS in 200/200 clashes because no processor can hold up to that speed yet. For the other 95 percent of the game though is fine.


Actually, if you are using the capture card, my i7-3770k has run a full 4v4 200/200 battle on the highest settings at around 30 fps. For 1v1s, with a capture card, 60fps is maintainable. The capture card takes so much of the load off of the PC that has the game, I'm sure there will be no hiccups, assuming you run a decent setup with the capture card.

EDIT: This is all just anecdotal, though, but I am pretty sure a 720p60fps stream could maintain itself fairly easily.

EDIT2: Also another note, whenever I try to stream at 60fps, it seems that twitch locks it at 24-30fps. I don't know if I need to be partnered to get above this, but it's NOT a hardware issue. Anyone have any extra knowledge on this?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 07 2012 21:30 GMT
#11
The best minimum Ive had with i5-2500k @ 4.0 (same as i7 but without hyperthread), while not streaming, is around 41 FPS in a 1v1.
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 07 2012 22:02 GMT
#12
On September 08 2012 05:49 Medrea wrote:
Passing phase. 30 FPS offers no advantages over 60 FPS from an image quality standpoint.

When the only reason people dont like something is because its different, it doesn't last (the old way).

I dont even know why the reaction is negative. 60 FPS is so much easier on the eyes. The effect is immediate and gratifying. When you go from watching 30 FPS for a long time, to a 60 FPS stream, you get this mind melting effect, which is what i guess people dont like because OMG DIFFERENT KILL IT IM AGAINST DIFFERENT.


There are people like me who don't even notice the difference between 30 & 60 fps most of the time. And shoot, I'm including IN GAME, not just watching a stream.

Of course, even I have my limits. I watched a less GSL when they changed their free stream from 360 to 240. Not that I was watching a ton, or I'd have just purchased a ticket. But I bet their viewership dropped, because I think they switched back to 360.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 22:18:26
September 07 2012 22:11 GMT
#13


Old youtube video back from when youtube still accepted 60 FPS @ 240p.

360p is 30 FPS.
240p is 60 FPS.

I feel very confident you can tell the difference. Even if you couldnt in a vacuum, your eyes can see it. In fact i bet most people would prefer the 240p over the 360.
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 22:23:16
September 07 2012 22:21 GMT
#14
Good sample video. Yeah, I could tell the difference, but it's pretty small. And emphasized by the constant scrolling arrows that are easy to compare.

Don't get me wrong, I hope you get to watch all the 60fps streams you want. I just won't care who offers them. Kind of like how I'd never consider getting a 120hz 1920x1080 TN monitor vs a 1920x1080 IPS monitor - but I understand people who do.

As to what I'd prefer... by FAR the 360 over the 240. But of course, in the real world, people will compare 60fps 360 vs 30fps 360.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 22:40:50
September 07 2012 22:24 GMT
#15
Well trade offs are a separate conversation. Wabbit and I were talking about 30 versus 60 exclusively. Not 30 + stuff versus 60.

As for the video. If I were to show friends i would show the 30 FPS but if I had to play the game it would be 240p all the way.

Also monitors. 120hz is to me all about being able to do away with vsync. Which has the effect of stabilizing the image. The actual image differences between 60hz and 120hz are not as important until you get to really really fast motion sequences.
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twoscomp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
September 15 2012 00:44 GMT
#16
I'm super tempted to buy one, but I read that it can only do capture or encode, not both at the same time. I'd really like to offload the encoding from my CPU to the C985, but doing so would require me to use dxtory or xsplit's built in capture.

Hopefully something will come along that can do both.
BUGS-BUNNY
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine1 Post
October 25 2012 05:32 GMT
#17
I am really disappointed by this card, i want my money back (c) on forum avermedia

~80+% core2 usage when cpu enc and AMLGhd capture. or load 80% CPU when AMLGhd enc and CPU capture

ha-ha...gogog play

do not buy, if u no need win ~10-20% CPU time(but if need win, u take limited Hz on monitor, bad collor effect, and more more more more more lag...)

rly. placebo 100%

wts AverMedia Live Gamer HD pm offer :D
n0ah
Profile Joined June 2011
United States250 Posts
October 25 2012 22:35 GMT
#18
There is a pretty big difference between 30fps and 60fps while watching a stream (playing it is a different matter). But as someone mentioned earlier, I don't think that everyone is physically capable of noticing it. But correct me if I'm wrong, the human eye is not capable of seeing anything past 60fos (in terms of improvement) anyways. I use FFsplit without a capture card, and I am capable of streaming at 720p @60fps with relatively little to no performance hit.
If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together
WTFZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
United States704 Posts
October 25 2012 22:39 GMT
#19
I don't think the card provides any significant boost to streaming capabilities. The video encoding is still handled by the CPU, regardless of having a capture card with an integrated h264 chip.

You can do 720p/60 fps without a capture card. Getting one is not going to magically let you do 60 fps.

Hardware encoding is simply not a viable alternative to software encoding currently.
Might makes right.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 22:55:59
October 25 2012 22:55 GMT
#20
On October 26 2012 07:35 n0ah wrote:
There is a pretty big difference between 30fps and 60fps while watching a stream (playing it is a different matter). But as someone mentioned earlier, I don't think that everyone is physically capable of noticing it. But correct me if I'm wrong, the human eye is not capable of seeing anything past 60fos (in terms of improvement) anyways. I use FFsplit without a capture card, and I am capable of streaming at 720p @60fps with relatively little to no performance hit.


It takes about 500fps or so to get to reality perfect, but the question isn't how many FPS can the eye see.

Easy test. Wave your mouse around. Youll notice the mouse only appears in several places with easily viewable distances between them. A 120hz will double the amount of cursor points you will see.

Also the CPU still has to capture the screen, the card handles the encoding for you.
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