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So...... Lets just get straight to the point. I am kinda new here and am looking towards improving my skills. My current mouse is horrible for my hand and thats where I feel I should start at. I have seen most of the threads reagarding which mouse are the best for SC2 and stuff like that but most of them do not suit my hand cause it is huge. Like huge.
That being said, I hoped to get some decent or great opinion from the almighty people lurking in the forums daily for things to post.
I hear tons of comments about mice. How some small mice supposedly help to micro easier and stuff like that. To huge mice like the G500 which is a perfect fit for huge hands.
My price range is like less than 80 bucks? And, second hand mice do not matter to me. So my range is pretty wide.
Options
- Logitech G500
- Logitech G9
- Razer DeathAdder
Suggest a few. I am pretty new to this stuff and undecided. Would be great if you guys show your epic professionalism and do not, troll this tread and bring it out of the topic.
Thanks in advance. =D
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Razer DeathAdder's are nice for only $45. Works well for basically any type of gaming. RTS, FPS, all that, and isn't too small and annoying for normal use either.
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heres a small "review" i did a couple of weeks ago in TL
Steelseries Ikari, Excellent mouse I have the laser version but I think the optical is pretty okay too (poor drivers tho) Really comfortable fits like a glove. Had 2 or 3 of these always the scroll broke
Zowie EC2 really sick mouse I've only had it for a bit and really digging it but I think mine has a faulty sensor so it jitters with 1000 and 2000 DPI Doesn't work at all without some mouse pads e.g goliathus control
MX518, Good solid mouse only con is that it has 125hz default polling rate which after 500 or 1000hz feels horrible. Built like a tank, they last for ever man :D
Kinzu, Quite possibly my favorite mouse but the lack of side buttons and it's really tiny scroll forced me to sell it. Some say it has prediction, could be true but I didn't mind it
Deathadder, I've used one for a while didn't like it at all. Mostly because the size of that thing was huuuuge otherwise really great mouse (It's durability is arguable)
Zowie EC1 is pretty much like deathadder but for 30$ less
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I like big mice. And I love my Deathadder, cannot recommend it enough. Though the mx518 is a fine mouse as well.
If you can (im not sure how available/ expensive they are) get the black edition of the Deathadder as it removes the glossy plastic on the sides, which is the worst part of the Deathadder.
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get an optical one. deathadder is great. zowie mice are awesome as well. my advice: go to your local BIG hardware shop and check the mices out there. just to try them. make sure it fits your hand. than go online and buy the one that fits your hand
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On October 06 2011 23:08 Prey Monkie wrote:
get an optical one. deathadder is great. zowie mice are awesome as well. my advice: go to your local BIG hardware shop and check the mices out there. just to try them. make sure it fits your hand. than go online and buy the one that fits your hand
Definitely good advice. Among the reliable and well made mice it basically comes down to personal preference.
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Interesting advice....... But in my country, I do not have a Great Hardware store. =\.
That said, Why do people recommend the Death Adder that much? Is it really that good?
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Well, I recently got the Abyssus because of how I grip mice and it certainly feels awesome and the DPI is just right(although my scrolling seems to have problems with drivers?) either way it depends on your grip as this isn't a palm mouse and I know nothing of palm mice in general.
Btw my hand's large as well but I only hold the mouse with 3 fingers like 5cm in front of my palm so.
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i recommend logitech g400 or g700. im using the g400 its shape is the same as mx518 but the build is much nicer and with higher dpi
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On October 06 2011 23:13 Laxer wrote:
Interesting advice....... But in my country, I do not have a Great Hardware store. =\.
That said, Why do people recommend the Death Adder that much? Is it really that good?
Apart from the bright, bright lights (which you can turn off) its really simple and a nice shape. Theres nothing wrong with it (except stupid glossy plastic), though there are some question marks over Razer quality control.
That said my Deathadder is fine, I think you can trust Razer on mice+mice pads. Other things however...
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Fingertip:
ZOWIE MiCO
Razer Abyssus
Razer Salmosa Asian Edition
Palm:
Razer Deathadder Black Edition
Logitech G100
Steelseries Xai
Claw:
Logitech G1/MX300
Microsoft IMO1.1A
After looking at the suggestions in this thread - they are all pretty bad (or bad for the money)
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Does that mean that a 1/3rd of your own suggestions are also bad since they have already been mentioned? ...
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I seem to be getting even more different mouse choices that I really expected.
What I ment on putting this thread up and actually talking about it, was to find a good, mid to high end mouse that will last me a long time for gaming, Like Starcraft 2. I know low end mice will also do the trick but I wanna get something of substance and quality.
That being said, Keep the suggestions coming.
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ryan summed it up. First you want to know if your mouse "technique" is fingertip, palm or claw.
I'm a palm-tech guy, and I can recommend you two mice: Microsoft's Sidewinder (I have one since 2007 and it works like a charm. Adjustable DPI up to 2000, very reliable and durable). I also just bought a Razer DeathAdder to see what's it all about and it's great. Never held such a confortable mice in my hands before (and the Sidewinder is REALLY confortable).
You can't go wrong with the Deathadder if you use the palm technique. Not only it is confortable, it's tracking is one of the best in the market.
I can't attest for the others, though.
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Yeah, Deathadder should be a good, relatively cheap mouse that's of good quality if you use palm grip. I've used both Salmosa and Abyssus and I think they're really good for fingergrip, my friend uses Abyssus as well. For claw I have no idea as I don't really know anyone who uses that. In either case Razer seems to have the best price-performance from what I've seen, although I've heard good things of Xai as well and it's pretty cheap. The sensors seem to not be as good, though.
I personally wouldn't buy logitech mice since the quality-price ratio seems off but I might just be biased.
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I have a laptop and I use a Razer Orochi man and I have no complaints. It's a wonderful mouse, it's relatively small though. It has 4000 dpi max wired, and 2000 dpi wireless, and I haven't had any troubles with it. It is certainly within your $80 range also.
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As people have said earlier, your type of grip matters a lot when choosing a mouse, I used a death adder before, but it is just way too heavy to use with a fingertip grip so I switched to a razer abyssus instead, works much better because of the shape and weight.
When checking what type of grip you use, just putting your hand on the mouse isn't enough, make sure you move it around like if you were playing a game. I thought I used a palm grip for a long time before i realized I only hold the mouse like that when I'm not doing anything.
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Deathadder is great for big hands.... just clean it a lot it gets dirty (and razer is absolutely NOT known for durability) But its a good mouse, my big guitar player hands are right at home on it.
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I also have somewhat big hands and being a Palm technique user, I love my DeathAdder. The buttons have the exact location and size to play SC2 seamlessly and the macros and other features are a nice add. What really helped me to improve (or, I should say, to remove obstacles from my gameplay, cuz improvement only comes from practice) is the 16-bit wide data pad. My previous mouse had issues registering double clicks or right clicks when on the heat of high APM battles. Only thing i would like is to had bought the black edition, but hey! it was on sale for $35 so it was a no-brainer.
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Kinzu or Deathadder. One or the other.
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I have been using the MX518 for like 6months now and I have no complaints when it comes to gaming with it.
fits my hand well with the palm grip.
Also very accurate even without any proper mouse pad.
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I have a DeathAdder and I'm happy with it. No complaints.
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i just ordered my 2nd Deathadder from newegg. i use it to play SC2 at home and i love it so much, that i want to use it at work as well. i also have a Mamba that i love, but it cost twice as much and is basically the wireless version of the Deathadder.
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Good stuff guys, But alot of you seem to recommend the razer deathadder and I am pretty scared of razer. Alot of people are complaining about the quality and the stuff that gets on your hands after a long period of time. Any other suggestion than razer?
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Deathadder + 40of vodka is way better than any 90$ mouse
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Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor.
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On October 08 2011 11:47 Laxer wrote:
Good stuff guys, But alot of you seem to recommend the razer deathadder and I am pretty scared of razer. Alot of people are complaining about the quality and the stuff that gets on your hands after a long period of time. Any other suggestion than razer?
IMO Razer makes mice well, my deathadder feels top quality.
My razer headphones have some stupid shortcuts taken that ruin them, and Ive heard bad things about their keyboards.
Maybe mx518 if you really don't want to buy razer?
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I love my mx518. It's good all around and fits perfect in my hand (Which may be a problem for you because i don't think my hands are that big). And i don't think the price is that bad, so thats my 2 cents...
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i have a zowie mico becouse i love small mice and it is basicly flawless imo, but might be too small for most people it is has about logitech optical mini shape.
no accel almost no prediction no drivers
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On October 08 2011 12:35 Phayze wrote:
Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor.
Now, that was the kind of advice I was hoping for. Great stuff. CM Storm...... Looks pretty small .XD
Edit: Now, I am basically looking off this spreadsheet I found somewhere along the net.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AosJbEwEG9GpdEpBMGc1ZXo0S3BLQm1YQ09jeVZ6bEE&w=100&h=650
Could somewhere actually explain to me what positive accleration does? =O
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I personally use the Razer Deathadder and I love it. If you have big hands like me then you may find this just a bit uncomfortable but its about as nice as you are going to find for size. I think the biggest factor for games is the mouse pad you have with the mouse. I can play RTS games fine with my Razer mouse pad but I have to use a Steelseries mouse pad for FPS games because of the gliding.
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On October 08 2011 13:42 Laxer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 12:35 Phayze wrote:
Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor. Now, that was the kind of advice I was hoping for. Great stuff. CM Storm...... Looks pretty small .XD Edit: Now, I am basically looking off this spreadsheet I found somewhere along the net. https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AosJbEwEG9GpdEpBMGc1ZXo0S3BLQm1YQ09jeVZ6bEE&w=100&h=650Could somewhere actually explain to me what positive accleration does? =O
The cursor will accelerate across the screen as you move it. So a set distance you move your mouse on the mousepad will not equate to a set distance on the screen.
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I like the deathadder a lot. The driver gives you a lot of flexibility in configuration to make it feel best for you. I also like that it's an infrared mouse and adjustable DPI up to 3500.
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I have a g500 and have rather large hands (i've never met anyone with larger hands than me lol) they are rather thin but long and it fits my hand very well. i was using the razer copperhead before and that was a rather good size also for me (copperhead was known to be big)
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Don't get G500 or G9, they have build-in acceleration in their sensors (can't turn it completely off in the software/Windows).
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deathadder is good for large hands and for having an all purpose mouse for all sorts of games. I recently changed from a deathadder to a zowie mico which i like more for rts but the deathadder is still better for fps and other sorts of games. I would recommend the deathadder if you like palm grip and want a good all-purpose mouse
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I've looked around and it seems like I can't find a solid, reliable mouse that isn't full of stupid gimmicks that is a natural successor to something like the 518, but with higher dpi and driverless.
I guess the CM storm spawn is the closest thing to what I want, but it's so ugly
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On October 08 2011 12:35 Phayze wrote:
Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor.
where did you find out about these mice having acceleration? :O
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Woah, Hey drewbie. =\
And regarding the acceleration, I believe This Spreadsheet at the other section area, shows ~5% acceleration.
Back to topic again, Which mouse do you use? As in drewbie and why. =D
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On October 08 2011 22:35 coL.drewbie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 12:35 Phayze wrote:
Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor. where did you find out about these mice having acceleration? :O
Steelseries is pretty open about the fact their mice have acceleration
quote from their website:
ExactAccel will accelerate your movements even faster in order for you to move across your game or page faster
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DeathAdder is always a good choice. I used mine for quite a few years before I did something stupid and slightly messed up one of my side buttons. It still works but I can't press it down on the top side. Anyways, I still use it at school and it's as very solid pick
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After going through the comments and thinking again, What do you guys think about the Cyborg R.A.T 7 mouse? It does not seem to have acceleration and looks good. Input please. =X
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i just can't stand a big mouse, althought light and comfy like a deathadder, its just not that good for apm and micro in an rts game. Fast apm, a gm zerg player.
I have knizu its good and all but micro isn't perfect, its obviously good but not perfect. I tried the G1 logitech mouse, and it is similar length as kinzu but more lump, to fit into ur palm for that easy claw grip. It glides so well too, such good percision. Theres a reason why it was the most chosen mouse for sc n cs. Alot of pros still use it today.
Im trying to find a g1 logitech mouse. cyborg rat n g9 logitech have similar structure but just more expensive. my 2 cents.
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On October 09 2011 16:59 Laxer wrote:
After going through the comments and thinking again, What do you guys think about the Cyborg R.A.T 7 mouse? It does not seem to have acceleration and looks good. Input please. =X
Supposedly there are problems with the sensor. I don't actually know what they are.
Have a look around overclock.net for posts about the twin eye sensor.
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I got a DeathAdder 9 months ago, awesome mouse.
However, you guys are scaring me. What's all this about bad durability?
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I tried looking around but seem to not get anything. =\ Any idea?
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On October 09 2011 18:56 Laxer wrote:
I tried looking around but seem to not get anything. =\ Any idea?
All the rat mice are 100% garbage. Please don't buy it.
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On October 09 2011 18:56 Laxer wrote:
I tried looking around but seem to not get anything. =\ Any idea?
Read this
OCN twin eye
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On October 06 2011 22:55 Laxer wrote:
So...... Lets just get straight to the point. I am kinda new here and am looking towards improving my skills. My current mouse is horrible for my hand and thats where I feel I should start at. I have seen most of the threads reagarding which mouse are the best for SC2 and stuff like that but most of them do not suit my hand cause it is huge. Like huge.
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Options
- Logitech G500
- Logitech G9
- Razer DeathAdder
Suggest a few. I am pretty new to this stuff and undecided. Would be great if you guys show your epic professionalism and do not, troll this tread and bring it out of the topic.
Thanks in advance. =D
If your hands are big, I'd steer clear of the G9, it is somewhat on the small side, even with the wider more palm-grip friendly shell. 82x109x37mm is as big as it gets.
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Okay okay fine. All the negative feedback really does take an impact. No R.A.T nor Logitech mouse.
I will try my hand at the Death Adder then. Seems like expansive mice does not mean great mice. Thanks alot guys. =D
Before I go and grab one, Mind recommending me a good mouse pad too. I really do need one.
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On October 09 2011 20:41 Laxer wrote:
Okay okay fine. All the negative feedback really does take an impact. No R.A.T nor Logitech mouse.
I will try my hand at the Death Adder then. Seems like expansive mice does not mean great mice. Thanks alot guys. =D
Before I go and grab one, Mind recommending me a good mouse pad too. I really do need one.
I don't want to sound like a Razer rep but goliathus? I like mine.
But mousepads are just fabric and rubber, can't really go wrong.
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On October 09 2011 20:59 Blaec wrote:
But mousepads are just fabric and rubber, can't really go wrong.
I'm guessing branded mouse-pads don't wear out as easily as cheap ones. My mousepad is fraying at the edges, is sort of losing its colour
But I guess it still works
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=\ I want something that last and is very comfortable. Any ideas other than that?
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On October 09 2011 17:08 HCmystic wrote:
i just can't stand a big mouse, althought light and comfy like a deathadder, its just not that good for apm and micro in an rts game. Fast apm, a gm zerg player.
Are you saying the emperor is wrong.
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If you have a huge hand, the Lachesis should do you fine.
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On October 08 2011 12:35 Phayze wrote:
Problem is there is not many options outside of razer that will give a mouse that does not have acceleration. All steelseries mice have acceleration, which makes them horrendous for consistency. Idra uses a kinzu, but uses a small resolution so he's not as effected. For most people here, who will be gaming 1080p+ , steelseries mice SUCK. Xai has 5% positive acceleration and should be avoided at all costs.
All newer logitech mice have acceleration, The only logitech mouse worth getting is the 510/518 (but they have some pretty hefty prediction). CM Storm spawn, Deathadder, or one of the other razer mice that use the optical 3g sensor (avago optical). CM storm spawn is cheap, small, lightweight, an d has the newer avago sensor.
Stay away from any laser mouse, they are all trash as far as gaming is concerned. If you want to get a laser mouse and are okay with always have acceleration that cannot be disabled, just dont get a phillips twin eye sensor.
The Xai and Sensei are fine, 99% of people won't even notice the acceleration or even get it. Only the ones who play at extremely low DPI/Sensitivies will, and this is a Starcraft site so that's not happening.
Even CS players use the Xai/Sensei now, the acceleration doesn't matter.
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