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edit: stupid typo, I meant dhcp, a herpy derp.
dHere is my house:
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I want to be able to access files and share the printer across the network between my home PC and my PC, laptop, etc. My house is big enough and thick walled enough that I can't get wireless connection in all the rooms from just the o2 router, and moving about the routers just isn't really an option. I have a cheap switch that I could use to achieve everything, however it doesn't have any wireless capabilities, which I need as I can't pick up wifi in my room for my laptop and my phone.
So what can I do?
A friend recommended I disable DHCP on the netgear router, which should, if I understand correctly, just turn it into a switch and everything will go straight to the thomson router and everything should be merry. However if I do that, nothing can connect to it to get to the admin pages, nor can anything connect to the internet through it (though I can still find it as a wireless network... very irritating, had to restore to factory settings to fix it)
I'm at work at the mo but I can answer technical qs or try out suggestions in about four hours when I get home.
I hope I've explained it well enough.
TL;DR
Essentially, I have a Netgear WGR614 wireless router, and I want to disable DHCP on it. When I do so I cannot access anything on the network from it (although I can still connect to the router itself)
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I've got pretty much the same setup here. Have you set the static address of your netgear router to be out of the address range of the thompson (but in the same subnet)? Is your laptop connecting to the thompson DHCP server when you connect wirelessly to the netgear (is it being allocated an address)?
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disabling DHCP on the netgear router won't help you much, since it won't turn it into a real "switch" with wifi
replacing the netgear router would provide LAN to all you LAN devices. so that would be done
and if you plug the netgear router into the switch it would probably still route the internet through the wireless (just for your laptop) and all the other devies would pick up the internet through the switch directly
this would be the only solution i could think of, without buying a WLAN repeater or something, could be worth a try, but without any guarantee
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First of all, I recommend you reading this:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/11233
There are a few other things you need to turn off before you can get things working, refer to the link.
If you've done all that and it still won't work, I suggest you...
Don't turn off DHCP on the secondary router but remember to disable any WAN configurations still on it. I've had a few aztech routers that are able to work this way. Some home routers just refuse to work as a dumb switch, so let them have their own separate network and IP range. With DHCP still on, the devices on the secondary router will basically be on another network range.
You should also configure the secondary router to have an IP within the range of the primary one. (eg. Primary router local IP : 192.168.0.1, secondary router IP:192.168.0.100)
misread topic lol.
It seems you allready had internet working between the 2 routers, now you just want them to be in the same network so your devices could communicate with each other. My bad.
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On September 27 2011 23:01 Askr wrote:
disabling DHCP on the netgear router won't help you much, since it won't turn it into a real "switch" with wifi
replacing the netgear router would provide LAN to all you LAN devices. so that would be done
and if you plug the netgear router into the switch it would probably still route the internet through the wireless (just for your laptop) and all the other devies would pick up the internet through the switch directly
this would be the only solution i could think of, without buying a WLAN repeater or something, could be worth a try, but without any guarantee
This would indeed allow you to create 1 broadcast domain excluding the wireless because that would be on another subnet and unable to "talk" to the other network segment.
Disabling the DHCP on R2 is kinda useless even if you can make R2 forward the IP request to R1 Mypc would still be unable to talk to the rest of the network because R2 is in the way, not allowing broadcasts to the other side.
You need to make it dumb aka a switch wile retaining the wifi capability's.
This would allow MyPC,XBOX and Laptop to obtain the services R1 is providing and create one broadcast domain allowing you to share print etc.
edit: typo
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you need to set static ips if you disable dhcp. you also need to set the o2 as your default gateway from your netgear.
you also might want to call microsfot about that xbox 
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Set the DHCP on the Netgear to hand out a different range of IP addresses. So for example, if the O2 is using 192.168.0.xxx, then set the Netgear to use 192.168.1.xxx. The 3rd number needs to be different, that's all.
Then, set the WAN on the Netgear to use DHCP to get it's IP address, and make sure it is connected to your O2.
After that, the devices that use your Netgear will get their IP addresses from the Netgear, and the Netgear will route the traffic to the O2.
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On September 27 2011 23:42 mahnini wrote:you need to set static ips if you disable dhcp. you also need to set the o2 as your default gateway from your netgear. you also might want to call microsfot about that xbox
That wont help.
The R2 would then forward packets if he does not know what to do with them but.. screams aka broadcast he would drop. and a DHCP request is a broadcast.
So again it would not help because of the presence of R2 that will not allow any cross network talk.
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On September 28 2011 00:04 DarkEnergy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 23:42 mahnini wrote:you need to set static ips if you disable dhcp. you also need to set the o2 as your default gateway from your netgear. you also might want to call microsfot about that xbox That wont help. The R2 would then forward packets if he does not know what to do with them but.. screams aka broadcast he would drop. and a DHCP request is a broadcast. So again it would not help because of the presence of R2 that will not allow any cross network talk.
couldn't you just assign the netgear an ip within the o2 subnet?
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On September 27 2011 23:53 Tuplex wrote:
Set the DHCP on the Netgear to hand out a different range of IP addresses. So for example, if the O2 is using 192.168.0.xxx, then set the Netgear to use 192.168.1.xxx. The 3rd number needs to be different, that's all.
Then, set the WAN on the Netgear to use DHCP to get it's IP address, and make sure it is connected to your O2.
After that, the devices that use your Netgear will get their IP addresses from the Netgear, and the Netgear will route the traffic to the O2.
I think you are missing the point.
the problem is that he is unable to contact the other devices on the network becous there are difrent networks ranges and the router netgear(R2) that will stop broadcasts from getting to O2(R1).
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On September 28 2011 00:08 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:04 DarkEnergy wrote:On September 27 2011 23:42 mahnini wrote:you need to set static ips if you disable dhcp. you also need to set the o2 as your default gateway from your netgear. you also might want to call microsfot about that xbox That wont help. The R2 would then forward packets if he does not know what to do with them but.. screams aka broadcast he would drop. and a DHCP request is a broadcast. So again it would not help because of the presence of R2 that will not allow any cross network talk. couldn't you just assign the netgear an ip within the o2 subnet?
Yes but think of this as a 2 part problem.
the first part would be getting your devices on the same subnet.
witch would allow communication between the hosts.
but the second part is the router.
if you send packages with a destination like i wanna go to ip 192.168.1.10 (lets say fam pc)
if the router can not find the address locally he will then it sends it to his default gateway indeed.
but if its you tell it i want to send this to 255.255.255.255 (everybody)
like halp i need a IP who is servicing me here ? it would send it to all hosts in the LOCAL network and be done with it. it will not send this request any further aka the other side
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I am not sure you can achieve what you want since I don't know the devices, but DHCP is not your problem. You want to connect two wireless routers together and you can't turn one of them into a switch simply by turning DHCP off. Each of the routers assume, they have to forward all traffic to either devices that are connected to themselves or to the internet. If you plug them together, all decives connected to the other router are unknown to them so you can't share files or printers between devices connected to the other router.
What you need is, to turn one of the routers (the one not connected to the internet) into an access point and connect it via LAN cable to the other router. Have a look in the configuration, if that is possible. If not, buy an access point instead.
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On September 28 2011 00:08 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:04 DarkEnergy wrote:On September 27 2011 23:42 mahnini wrote:you need to set static ips if you disable dhcp. you also need to set the o2 as your default gateway from your netgear. you also might want to call microsfot about that xbox That wont help. The R2 would then forward packets if he does not know what to do with them but.. screams aka broadcast he would drop. and a DHCP request is a broadcast. So again it would not help because of the presence of R2 that will not allow any cross network talk. couldn't you just assign the netgear an ip within the o2 subnet?
Now that i think of it it would gain partial functionality if you take away problem 1.
it would allow direct traffic between segment 1 and 2.
so that would result in ??? everything you do needs to be addressed directly ?
If you want to access a windows host you need to type it's IP and cannot use windows network explorer etc..
I do not know how comfortable network use would be in that situation.
if you have programs or whatever sending a broadcast that will be dropped.
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I heard that connecting a second router to the first by switch ports (not connecting the wan port of the second router) turn the second router to a switch. Can't say it works with everything, but my father did that with his routers and it worked for him. As for the wireless through the switch... Can't help you with that one.
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On September 28 2011 00:22 grs wrote:I am not sure you can achieve what you want since I don't know the devices, but DHCP is not your problem. You want to connect two wireless routers together and you can't turn one of them into a switch simply by turning DHCP off. Each of the routers assume, they have to forward all traffic to either devices that are connected to themselves or to the internet. If you plug them together, all decives connected to the other router are unknown to them so you can't share files or printers between devices connected to the other router. What you need is, to turn one of the routers (the one not connected to the internet) into an access point and connect it via LAN cable to the other router. Have a look in the configuration, if that is possible. If not, buy an access point instead.
If you can manage turning that router into a wireless access point and have a switch at hand.
that would be the ideal solution i guess.
it would be
+ Show Spoiler +
-------LAP1-------------------------------------
------- ****---------------------------------------
---------\_/---------------------------------------
-----<WAP>------------------------------------
-------- ||-----------------------------------------
----<switch>--<router/modem>--WAN--
-------- ||----------------- ||---------------------
----- /-----\--------------/---\---------------------
--XBOX-PC2------PC1-Printer--------------
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I'm pretty sure your proposed solution is not going to solve your problem.
You should be able to assign static addresses without disabling DHCP, and then configure your devices to use those statics. All dynamic addresses delegated will skip the reserved statics, but there isn't much else to it otherwise.
Wireless or wired, the routing should be the same downlink of your router -- if you're out of ports you can use a switch to NAT arbitrarily many devices beneath your router.
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On September 28 2011 00:42 DarkEnergy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:22 grs wrote:I am not sure you can achieve what you want since I don't know the devices, but DHCP is not your problem. You want to connect two wireless routers together and you can't turn one of them into a switch simply by turning DHCP off. Each of the routers assume, they have to forward all traffic to either devices that are connected to themselves or to the internet. If you plug them together, all decives connected to the other router are unknown to them so you can't share files or printers between devices connected to the other router. What you need is, to turn one of the routers (the one not connected to the internet) into an access point and connect it via LAN cable to the other router. Have a look in the configuration, if that is possible. If not, buy an access point instead. If you can manage turning that router into a wireless access point and have a switch at hand. that would be the ideal solution i guess. it would be + Show Spoiler +
-------LAP1-------------------------------------
------- ****---------------------------------------
---------\_/---------------------------------------
-----<WAP>------------------------------------
-------- ||-----------------------------------------
----<switch>--<router/modem>--WAN--
-------- ||----------------- ||---------------------
----- /-----\--------------/---\---------------------
--XBOX-PC2------PC1-Printer--------------
Yes like that.
It is beyond me, why other people are theorycrafting here, who really don't know much themselves. This is not helping anyone, if you write "I think it could be..." or "I heard somewhere.." without knowledge.
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Well i guess if the intentions are pure.
And by doing this we can all learn.
still it is a bit confusing for the OP.
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lol
All you need to do is set the O2 in bridge mode and assign the printer and fam PC ip's on the netgear subnet.
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