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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
March 19 2015 18:49 GMT
#4181
I'd love to like the 502, but even the weight and difficulty moving 402 makes me unable to play osu and starcraft comfortably at the sensitivity that i like. 303 seems a bit on the heavy/friction side of light mice, but it's still a lightish mouse
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ThePastor
Profile Joined February 2012
New Zealand380 Posts
March 20 2015 02:06 GMT
#4182
Anyone know a reliable place to purchase Zowie MiCO mice? I have been trying to track one down for awhile. Only place I can find is some random Chinese wholesaler which is very expensive.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 02:30:32
March 20 2015 02:29 GMT
#4183
You know, I'm starting to get used to the G303 after a day.
First game on ladder tonight was still pretty rough and I was very conscious of controlling my mouse properly. By the 2nd and 3rd game though I was pretty close to my normal level of play.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
March 20 2015 09:09 GMT
#4184
Yeah, you should get used to it! I'm really loving it by now :D
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
March 20 2015 17:06 GMT
#4185
What DPI and polling rate are you guys using with the G303 to play SC2? Thanks.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
March 20 2015 18:06 GMT
#4186
You should use 1000hz (especially on a >60hz screen) and my preference for DPI is ~600-800 for sc2/osu and similar games
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
March 20 2015 18:27 GMT
#4187
800dpi for 2D, and 400dpi/2.1 sens on cs (maybe 30cm for a 180°?). As Cyro said no reason to use 1000hz unless your CPU is 15 years old
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 19:15:35
March 20 2015 19:14 GMT
#4188
I heard 1000hz and keyboard can interfere at special ciurcumstances.

So i put my keyboard into a PS2 port just to be sure. Which is better anways.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
March 20 2015 19:18 GMT
#4189
800dpi is enough for SC2 for you guys eh, somehow I feel like I'm not fast enough on 800dpi on a 1080p screen.
I've been using 1000dpi but thought maybe I was sacrificing too much accuracy.

OK, I'll try lowering the dpi a little bit and see if I can adjust.

I couldn't tell the difference between 500hz and 1000hz. I wasn't sure if anyone else could.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 20:22:10
March 20 2015 19:48 GMT
#4190
On March 21 2015 04:18 c0ldfusion wrote:
800dpi is enough for SC2 for you guys eh, somehow I feel like I'm not fast enough on 800dpi on a 1080p screen.
I've been using 1000dpi but thought maybe I was sacrificing too much accuracy.

OK, I'll try lowering the dpi a little bit and see if I can adjust.

I couldn't tell the difference between 500hz and 1000hz. I wasn't sure if anyone else could.


I couldn't tell the difference between 500hz and 1000hz. I wasn't sure if anyone else could.


It's not a big deal on 60hz, but it's important for higher refresh rates.

500/143 = 3.5 polls per frame - that is, with a 2000 pixel per second movement, one screen refresh would show a 12 pixel movement, while the next one would show a 16 pixel movement, then 12 pixels, then 16 pixels etc - it's visibly slightly unsmooth, particularly if you have a low motion blur setup.

1000/143 = 7 polls per frame, consistently moving at the same rate.

The 1ms difference in latency, with no other change, would be imperceptible. Aliasing between different polling rates (screen refresh vs mouse poll) and other effects like even the tracking of the mouse sometimes being affected make it an important setting, however - and you should default to 1000hz unless there's a major problem with it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 23:36:32
March 20 2015 23:35 GMT
#4191
I know this is a generic opinion but I like the application & use of the classic Microsoft 1103 optical wheel mouse.. that's what I use everyday in teh office!
stale trite schlub
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
March 21 2015 01:39 GMT
#4192
I'm on a wxuga monitor (1920x1200) and I use 800 cpi. Using more than that and you will gain in speed, but lose in accuracy to where there's a point that you cannot accurately control your cursor anymore (probably around 1600cpi).
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251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
March 21 2015 07:51 GMT
#4193
I'm really surprised at others' dpi settings. I use 1400 now at 1920x1080 on 24" monitor for sc2 and really couldn't see myself going any lower. that's just way too much mouse movement for me.
"If you can chill..........then chill."
ThePastor
Profile Joined February 2012
New Zealand380 Posts
March 21 2015 08:49 GMT
#4194
On March 21 2015 16:51 251 wrote:
I'm really surprised at others' dpi settings. I use 1400 now at 1920x1080 on 24" monitor for sc2 and really couldn't see myself going any lower. that's just way too much mouse movement for me.


I was on 1600 originally and found it was perfect but after hearing others say it was to high I tried 800 out. It felt painfully low and I couldn't understand it. I persisted and am very glad I did my mouse accuracy and control is way better then it used to be and now that I am used to 800 it does not feel slow at all.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-21 12:24:13
March 21 2015 12:16 GMT
#4195
On March 21 2015 16:51 251 wrote:
I'm really surprised at others' dpi settings. I use 1400 now at 1920x1080 on 24" monitor for sc2 and really couldn't see myself going any lower. that's just way too much mouse movement for me.


You're just used to controlling the mouse with different parts of the hand, wrist and maybe lower arm. @600-800dpi, going side to side across the entire screen quickly can be a movement from my elbow without using the wrist or fingers at all, and that's not something that people naturally do at higher DPI - they usually only pivot the wrist to cross screen.

If you suddenly switch down and you're not using movements like that, it will feel slow and hard to make cursor do what you want in a short amount of time, but it's just a matter of figuring out what to do with your hand to make it fast and natural (and high sensitivities are less reliant on decent posture etc, that's another thing)

Also, if your sensitivity is not on 6/11 with enhanced pointer precision turned OFF in windows, and sensitivity disabled in sc2 (or 51-54%) then you can easily be confused, as either one of those sensitivities being even one notch off can make your cursor 1.5x faster or a quarter slower than it should be at that DPI
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
March 22 2015 00:33 GMT
#4196
On March 21 2015 21:16 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 16:51 251 wrote:
I'm really surprised at others' dpi settings. I use 1400 now at 1920x1080 on 24" monitor for sc2 and really couldn't see myself going any lower. that's just way too much mouse movement for me.


Also, if your sensitivity is not on 6/11 with enhanced pointer precision turned OFF in windows, and sensitivity disabled in sc2 (or 51-54%) then you can easily be confused, as either one of those sensitivities being even one notch off can make your cursor 1.5x faster or a quarter slower than it should be at that DPI


I do have all those set correctly, though. However this is my first gaming mouse and I've been using an LMO cranked up to 10/11 in windows for years, I just adapted to it. I understand your point though, I've just never gotten my whole forearm involved in my mouse movement.
"If you can chill..........then chill."
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany984 Posts
March 22 2015 22:04 GMT
#4197
I'm looking for a replacement for my Logitech G3 that I have been using for 7years+ because it's beginning to stop working properly (sometimes jitters on the spot), unfortunately they don't make those anymore and I can probably benefit from the better sensors in mice nowadays.

1. What's your grip style?
fingertip or some hybrid of fingertip/claw

2. What's your sensitivity?
high

3. What's your maximum budget?
open for anything that suits my needs, but the cheaper the better

4. Do you want additional buttons?
preferably only 2 extra buttons, 1 on each side

5. What games do you play?
SC2, LoL, WoW

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Sounds like a bother, but I really don't know.

7. Other relevant information:
I want a simple mouse with a good sensor that will last me a while. I don't like the giant/clunky designs that I mostly seem to find when looking for mice.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
March 23 2015 02:24 GMT
#4198
Sounds like you might like the G303 that was recently released. The shape is a little weird but as you can see from the previous page a bunch of us just switched to it.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany984 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 00:05:04
March 24 2015 00:03 GMT
#4199
Thanks, I've ordered one of them now. 4-6weeks waiting time since they are out of stock . I already miss the button for my pinky finger but it has the same size as the G3, that's certainly nice.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
March 24 2015 00:13 GMT
#4200
I think that's just the default message when there's no stock. It could just flick over to dispatched any day when they get it, i've been refreshing amazon.co.uk daily for like 2 and a half weeks now
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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