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Jewbacca
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia36 Posts
January 16 2012 02:03 GMT
#401
To whoever said that the new steelseries mice are terrible... you're wrong.

I have the Sensei, and it's awesome.

I also own a Deathadder Black Edition, but the Sensei shits all over it for comfort.
Zorgon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
January 16 2012 02:06 GMT
#402
On January 16 2012 11:03 Jewbacca wrote:
To whoever said that the new steelseries mice are terrible... you're wrong.

I have the Sensei, and it's awesome.

I also own a Deathadder Black Edition, but the Sensei shits all over it for comfort.


Comfort is really subjective. However, sensor performance is not.
AUTA
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia68 Posts
January 16 2012 02:14 GMT
#403
is anyone familiar with the e-blue line of products and how they fair with the current batch of mices out on the market?
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
January 16 2012 03:29 GMT
#404
On January 16 2012 09:30 mTwTT1 wrote:
AAAAAAAAH the mouse wheel on my da is loose so it starts to wobble from side side whenever im playing, shit is driving me insane


In other words you have "up"graded your DA into a G500.

Worst mousewheel for games I've ever encountered, but mouse itself is excellent. Get 400 instead and save some money.

That said, good mousewheel for surfing, scrolling down huge threads and pages in miliseconds.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
January 16 2012 11:06 GMT
#405
On January 15 2012 20:20 stickyhands wrote: ... Im not sure about the zowie EC2 ...

The EC2 uses a fine sensor, although it has relatively strong prediction. This is due to the fact, that the EC2 uses the A3060 sensor, which does not offer the possibility to adjust the amount of prediction.
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
January 16 2012 12:26 GMT
#406
I would like to upgrade to another mouse now but i don't know which one.
The Kana was looking awesome because i use MS IE 1.1 at the moment and the Kana is ment to be 1.1 v2 i guess but since the Kana seems to have some issues what mouse do you guys recommend?
Since i've been using MS 1.1 for like forever, it's hard to change mouse, i've tried Xai but it felt so plastic and the sensor was shit tbh. And btw i'm using palm grip.
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
January 16 2012 12:35 GMT
#407
On January 16 2012 11:03 Jewbacca wrote:
To whoever said that the new steelseries mice are terrible... you're wrong.

I have the Sensei, and it's awesome.
...

The Sensei and it's 9500 sensor do have an extremely high malfunction speed, but on the other hand an extremely low perfect control speed. This is due to the fact, that even at relatively slow movements the acceleration of the 9500 starts to kick in - you essentially no longer have "perfect control" in that case (poofie seems to have experienced that). The high malfunction speed of the Sensei isn't that important for SC 2, where most players use fingertip grip and just don't swipe their mouse with all the power of their arm over their giant mousepad reaching 2 m/s and more. Most SC 2 players won't even reach 1 m/s - although this is enough to trigger the acceleration of the 9500 sensor.

If you are interested as to what movement speeds you reach during the game, download the Enotus mouse test. First thing you have to do is click "Start" on the Resolution tab, then move your mouse 10 cm while holding down a button. Now you can click "Start" in the tab Speed and play a few games and check the value of "Max speed" after you're done.

In the near future (the Logitech G900 might be the first) there will be mice with the Avago ADNS-9800, the successor to the 9500. The only differences I know of are that the CPI now is 8200 (compared to 5000 with the 9500) and CPI steps are now possible in increments of 200 CPI (and not 90 CPI, like in the 9500). It seems likely, that the acceleration problems will still be present with the 9800.
scMellOw
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium29 Posts
January 16 2012 13:16 GMT
#408
"I've found the Logitech G700 to completely change my perception of good mice.
And I've had the Logitech G7, the Logitech MX518, the Microsoft Sidewinder x8 and tried out other top of the line mice (Razer Diamondback, Lycosa, Mamba etc)."

made me chuckle.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. ~ Sun Tzu
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
January 16 2012 14:38 GMT
#409
On January 16 2012 21:26 poofie wrote:
I would like to upgrade to another mouse now but i don't know which one.
The Kana was looking awesome because i use MS IE 1.1 at the moment and the Kana is ment to be 1.1 v2 i guess but since the Kana seems to have some issues what mouse do you guys recommend?
Since i've been using MS 1.1 for like forever, it's hard to change mouse, i've tried Xai but it felt so plastic and the sensor was shit tbh. And btw i'm using palm grip.

Kana's good to go except for the shitty plastic feet. The sensor issues have been fixed, I think that the reports of the sensor issues are from people who bought the earlier batch, if you notice from the reports on overclock.net they bought the Kana pre-release, so it was probably the beta build, because according to a lot of people who bought the mouse after it released from bigger retailers they didn't have the mouse jump bug. I own a kana and I don't have the mouse jump bug as well.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
January 16 2012 17:32 GMT
#410
On January 16 2012 23:38 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 21:26 poofie wrote:
I would like to upgrade to another mouse now but i don't know which one.
The Kana was looking awesome because i use MS IE 1.1 at the moment and the Kana is ment to be 1.1 v2 i guess but since the Kana seems to have some issues what mouse do you guys recommend?
Since i've been using MS 1.1 for like forever, it's hard to change mouse, i've tried Xai but it felt so plastic and the sensor was shit tbh. And btw i'm using palm grip.

Kana's good to go except for the shitty plastic feet. The sensor issues have been fixed, I think that the reports of the sensor issues are from people who bought the earlier batch, if you notice from the reports on overclock.net they bought the Kana pre-release, so it was probably the beta build, because according to a lot of people who bought the mouse after it released from bigger retailers they didn't have the mouse jump bug. I own a kana and I don't have the mouse jump bug as well.

good new that they fix the bug , try to get one for sure.
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
January 16 2012 18:50 GMT
#411
On January 16 2012 23:38 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 21:26 poofie wrote:
I would like to upgrade to another mouse now but i don't know which one.
The Kana was looking awesome because i use MS IE 1.1 at the moment and the Kana is ment to be 1.1 v2 i guess but since the Kana seems to have some issues what mouse do you guys recommend?
Since i've been using MS 1.1 for like forever, it's hard to change mouse, i've tried Xai but it felt so plastic and the sensor was shit tbh. And btw i'm using palm grip.

Kana's good to go except for the shitty plastic feet. The sensor issues have been fixed, I think that the reports of the sensor issues are from people who bought the earlier batch, if you notice from the reports on overclock.net they bought the Kana pre-release, so it was probably the beta build, because according to a lot of people who bought the mouse after it released from bigger retailers they didn't have the mouse jump bug. I own a kana and I don't have the mouse jump bug as well.


Did they fix the poor accuracy at 1600 dpi? Can you compare tracking at 800 and 1600 dpi on your Kana then post the results?
stickyhands
Profile Joined May 2011
187 Posts
January 16 2012 19:21 GMT
#412
On January 17 2012 03:50 Neurosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 23:38 lisward wrote:
On January 16 2012 21:26 poofie wrote:
I would like to upgrade to another mouse now but i don't know which one.
The Kana was looking awesome because i use MS IE 1.1 at the moment and the Kana is ment to be 1.1 v2 i guess but since the Kana seems to have some issues what mouse do you guys recommend?
Since i've been using MS 1.1 for like forever, it's hard to change mouse, i've tried Xai but it felt so plastic and the sensor was shit tbh. And btw i'm using palm grip.

Kana's good to go except for the shitty plastic feet. The sensor issues have been fixed, I think that the reports of the sensor issues are from people who bought the earlier batch, if you notice from the reports on overclock.net they bought the Kana pre-release, so it was probably the beta build, because according to a lot of people who bought the mouse after it released from bigger retailers they didn't have the mouse jump bug. I own a kana and I don't have the mouse jump bug as well.


Did they fix the poor accuracy at 1600 dpi? Can you compare tracking at 800 and 1600 dpi on your Kana then post the results?

Im also interested in this
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
January 16 2012 20:35 GMT
#413
I've narrow down to these possible choices that I plan on buying in the upcoming weeks. Any votes or other recommendations?

- Razer Abyssus
- Razer Deathadder
- Zowie EC2
ashLoo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States202 Posts
January 16 2012 22:50 GMT
#414
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.
sneep
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 23:06:11
January 16 2012 23:05 GMT
#415
On January 17 2012 07:50 ashLoo wrote:
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.


Sensei has hardware acceleration that you can't get rid of. If you're looking for a mouse without a major flaw you won't find one, it doesn't exist yet.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
January 16 2012 23:34 GMT
#416
For more on the Sensei and the acceleration flaw it shares with many other flagship mice, see this evaluation:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1168062/evaluation-steelseries-sensei-56k-warning

Personally, I'd never buy the Sensei - but for the same reason I wouldn't buy mice from most brands. I've become totally spoiled with the right side ledges of super-ergonomic mice like the Mionix Naos series. But that's not an issue for most people.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 23:59:51
January 16 2012 23:46 GMT
#417
On January 17 2012 08:05 Neurosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 07:50 ashLoo wrote:
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.


Sensei has hardware acceleration that you can't get rid of. If you're looking for a mouse without a major flaw you won't find one, it doesn't exist yet.


MX 518 or 518 legacy and Intellimouse exist and have nothing stupid. Neither feature insane DPI though so if you NEED 3600 DPI for whatever reason, I dunno heart monitor, then these wont work.

Although I dont think you can adjust the DPI on the intellimouse, which leaves just the MX 518 in my eyes. I think the G500 and the G400 continue the legacy though.
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Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
January 17 2012 00:01 GMT
#418
On January 17 2012 08:46 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 08:05 Neurosis wrote:
On January 17 2012 07:50 ashLoo wrote:
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.


Sensei has hardware acceleration that you can't get rid of. If you're looking for a mouse without a major flaw you won't find one, it doesn't exist yet.


MX 518 or 518 legacy and Intellimouse exist and have nothing stupid. Neither feature insane DPI though so if you NEED 3600 DPI for whatever reason, I dunno heart monitor, then these wont work.

Although I dont think you can adjust the DPI on the intellimouse, which leaves just the MX 518 in my eyes. I think the G500 and the G400 continue the legacy though.


mx518 has prediction.
scMellOw
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium29 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 00:18:55
January 17 2012 00:14 GMT
#419
On January 17 2012 08:46 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 08:05 Neurosis wrote:
On January 17 2012 07:50 ashLoo wrote:
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.


Sensei has hardware acceleration that you can't get rid of. If you're looking for a mouse without a major flaw you won't find one, it doesn't exist yet.


MX 518 or 518 legacy and Intellimouse exist and have nothing stupid. Neither feature insane DPI though so if you NEED 3600 DPI for whatever reason, I dunno heart monitor, then these wont work.

Although I dont think you can adjust the DPI on the intellimouse, which leaves just the MX 518 in my eyes. I think the G500 and the G400 continue the legacy though.




dpi is so overrated like.. it actually hurts my soul when i read something like you NEED this amount of dpi... so silly. Used all kinds of mice & honestly the least of my worries was dpi, the biggest worry was accel.

and don't get me wrong i'm not attacking you, just adding this to what you said.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. ~ Sun Tzu
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 00:23:00
January 17 2012 00:15 GMT
#420
On January 17 2012 09:01 Neurosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 08:46 Medrea wrote:
On January 17 2012 08:05 Neurosis wrote:
On January 17 2012 07:50 ashLoo wrote:
Anyone have any negative feedback for the Steelseries Sensei? Just wondering if there is any as I've already asked a handful of CS 1.6 and CS:S pro's and have found none thus far.


Sensei has hardware acceleration that you can't get rid of. If you're looking for a mouse without a major flaw you won't find one, it doesn't exist yet.


MX 518 or 518 legacy and Intellimouse exist and have nothing stupid. Neither feature insane DPI though so if you NEED 3600 DPI for whatever reason, I dunno heart monitor, then these wont work.

Although I dont think you can adjust the DPI on the intellimouse, which leaves just the MX 518 in my eyes. I think the G500 and the G400 continue the legacy though.


mx518 has prediction.


So does every single mouse in existence. Point? Prediction is a necessity or the mousing experience is awful as the cursor jumps at every thread.
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