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dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
July 22 2013 17:09 GMT
#2521
I use the wide grip.

The spawn looks like the kind of shell I'm looking for, but it's an optical mouse? I don't really know what kind of difference there is at the moment, but when I went from an optical mouse (which often jittered) to my old G7 I noticed a huge improvement.

There seems to be a load of conflicting opinions on optical vs laser, any recommended reading? At the moment I'd lean towards laser.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 22 2013 17:20 GMT
#2522
Optical's excellent. There's virtually no reason to prefer laser over optical. Generally laser is more likely to develop jitters/very minor problems (your experience notwithstanding), though it has the advantage of being able to select any DPI within the mouse's range rather than 2 or 3 presets. There should be no difference in accuracy/for gaming in higher-end mice like the ones we're mentioning. Individual sensor models are actually more important than the optical/laser question.

The storm spawn (800 or 1800 DPI) is well-reviewed, though I prefer the similar Mionix Naos 3200 (800 or 1600 dpi). Either one should perform well for you.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 17:43:05
July 22 2013 17:41 GMT
#2523
On July 23 2013 02:09 dmfg wrote:
I use the wide grip.

The spawn looks like the kind of shell I'm looking for, but it's an optical mouse? I don't really know what kind of difference there is at the moment, but when I went from an optical mouse (which often jittered) to my old G7 I noticed a huge improvement.

There seems to be a load of conflicting opinions on optical vs laser, any recommended reading? At the moment I'd lean towards laser.

The Spawn has one of the best sensors out there (if not the best). Significantly better than the G9.
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dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
July 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#2524
Cheers for the tips guys!
carmon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 02:23:47
July 24 2013 01:48 GMT
#2525
Who wants to help me pick out a mouse ? I think my ime 3.0 is dying since it randomly locks up and loses power completely and would like to replace it. I used a mx518 in the past and loved the shape but havent touched it in a long time since it died and my friend gave me the ime 3.0. I was looking into the g400s and the deathadder as replacements, but I havent been able to make up my mind yet. I read the g400s has a new sensor called the delta zero sensor but I havent been able to find much about this sensor, anyone know much about these 2 mice have any suggestions?

1. What's your grip style?
Palm
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low. (Use 400 dpi)
3. What's your maximum budget?
~60$
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Don't care about this.
5. What games do you play?
sc2, csgo, dota2.
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No to angle snapping
7. Other relevant information:
Preferably something durable, big enough for my medium-large hands, similar to ime 3.0 in size and shape.
MiyaviTeddy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada697 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 22:13:29
July 24 2013 22:01 GMT
#2526
On July 24 2013 10:48 carmon wrote:
Who wants to help me pick out a mouse ? I think my ime 3.0 is dying since it randomly locks up and loses power completely and would like to replace it. I used a mx518 in the past and loved the shape but havent touched it in a long time since it died and my friend gave me the ime 3.0. I was looking into the g400s and the deathadder as replacements, but I havent been able to make up my mind yet. I read the g400s has a new sensor called the delta zero sensor but I havent been able to find much about this sensor, anyone know much about these 2 mice have any suggestions?

1. What's your grip style?
Palm
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low. (Use 400 dpi)
3. What's your maximum budget?
~60$
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Don't care about this.
5. What games do you play?
sc2, csgo, dota2.
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No to angle snapping
7. Other relevant information:
Preferably something durable, big enough for my medium-large hands, similar to ime 3.0 in size and shape.


deathadder 2013 is one mouse you can definitely look at. Its a great mouse for medium-large hand users. dpi can go as low as 400,the extra buttons aren't in the way but if you do use them they're incredibly help and it is a similar shape to the ime 3.0.

I tried several iterations of the deathadder (mac edition, 3.5, black and currently 2013) and the performance for each one? consistently good on all of them. The Deathadder is a tried and true gaming mouse.

There are similar mouses like the Zowie EC/AM and Steelseries Xai/Sensei but I haven't tried zowie and steelseries aren't too bad.
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Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
July 25 2013 19:20 GMT
#2527
My old G5 recently broke down and I'm debating whether to replace it with a Logitech G500 (not the brand new one) or the Deathadder 2013.

The reasons for the G500 would be:
- 10 euro cheaper (60 vs 70)
- ability to unlock scroll wheel for browsing
- third mouse button

What I don't like about the G500 is the weights and the DPI buttons, since I never use it. However what really makes me doubt my choice is that a lot of people swear by Deathadder and I'm really curious what makes it so awesome. Can anyone tell why Razor would be the better choice?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
July 25 2013 20:40 GMT
#2528
On July 24 2013 10:48 carmon wrote:
Who wants to help me pick out a mouse ? I think my ime 3.0 is dying since it randomly locks up and loses power completely and would like to replace it. I used a mx518 in the past and loved the shape but havent touched it in a long time since it died and my friend gave me the ime 3.0. I was looking into the g400s and the deathadder as replacements, but I havent been able to make up my mind yet. I read the g400s has a new sensor called the delta zero sensor but I havent been able to find much about this sensor, anyone know much about these 2 mice have any suggestions?

1. What's your grip style?
Palm
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low. (Use 400 dpi)
3. What's your maximum budget?
~60$
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Don't care about this.
5. What games do you play?
sc2, csgo, dota2.
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No to angle snapping
7. Other relevant information:
Preferably something durable, big enough for my medium-large hands, similar to ime 3.0 in size and shape.


If you don't mind me asking, are you sure you're not using sensitivity multipliers? (windows above 6/11, sc2 above 51-54%) or mouse acceleration? (enhanced pointer precision ticked)

I've never seen anyone palm 400dpi before
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
carmon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 09:21:03
July 26 2013 09:04 GMT
#2529
On July 26 2013 05:40 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 10:48 carmon wrote:
Who wants to help me pick out a mouse ? I think my ime 3.0 is dying since it randomly locks up and loses power completely and would like to replace it. I used a mx518 in the past and loved the shape but havent touched it in a long time since it died and my friend gave me the ime 3.0. I was looking into the g400s and the deathadder as replacements, but I havent been able to make up my mind yet. I read the g400s has a new sensor called the delta zero sensor but I havent been able to find much about this sensor, anyone know much about these 2 mice have any suggestions?

1. What's your grip style?
Palm
2. What's your sensitivity?
Low. (Use 400 dpi)
3. What's your maximum budget?
~60$
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Don't care about this.
5. What games do you play?
sc2, csgo, dota2.
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No to angle snapping
7. Other relevant information:
Preferably something durable, big enough for my medium-large hands, similar to ime 3.0 in size and shape.


If you don't mind me asking, are you sure you're not using sensitivity multipliers? (windows above 6/11, sc2 above 51-54%) or mouse acceleration? (enhanced pointer precision ticked)

I've never seen anyone palm 400dpi before


No sir, no sensitivity multipliers for me (6/11, in game sensitivity disabled, maxed side scroll speed, no accel). I'm use to this setup from years of cs and can pretty much reach any part of my 1080p screen with one pivot swipe. I know sc2 is a different beast, but I dont need to side scroll much thanks to hotkeys and the minimap. I play terran too and have had no issues with bio/tank/medivac in wol or the new bio mine style.

@ MiyaviTeddy thanks for the input, I think I'm going to go ahead and purchase a Deathadder. Is there any differences in the sensor, correction/angle snapping etc, between the 2013 and the black edition or is just more dpi? Also is newegg my best bet to purchase one of these for a good price?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 11:40:06
July 26 2013 11:39 GMT
#2530
No sir, no sensitivity multipliers for me (6/11, in game sensitivity disabled, maxed side scroll speed, no accel). I'm use to this setup from years of cs and can pretty much reach any part of my 1080p screen with one pivot swipe. I know sc2 is a different beast, but I dont need to side scroll much thanks to hotkeys and the minimap. I play terran too and have had no issues with bio/tank/medivac in wol or the new bio mine style.


<3 <3 <3 so many people using too much DPI as a bandaid for bad mechanics

Black edition/3.5g have a different sensor to 2013, they're all solid AFAIK
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 12:24:26
July 26 2013 12:21 GMT
#2531
On July 26 2013 20:39 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
No sir, no sensitivity multipliers for me (6/11, in game sensitivity disabled, maxed side scroll speed, no accel). I'm use to this setup from years of cs and can pretty much reach any part of my 1080p screen with one pivot swipe. I know sc2 is a different beast, but I dont need to side scroll much thanks to hotkeys and the minimap. I play terran too and have had no issues with bio/tank/medivac in wol or the new bio mine style.


<3 <3 <3 so many people using too much DPI as a bandaid for bad mechanics

Black edition/3.5g have a different sensor to 2013, they're all solid AFAIK

The buttons of the DA Black Edition are a lot less tactile though, almost mushy like Steelseries buttons, compared to the standard DA 3.5G, from my experience .
carmon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 03:39:48
July 28 2013 03:39 GMT
#2532
@cyro @twilightrain thanks for the input again went ahead and ordered the 2013 one. Now I just need to wait for it in the mail. ^.^
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
July 28 2013 15:33 GMT
#2533
Just picked up the logitech g9x. No idea why it's discontinued, apparently its the best mouse around. A huge percentage of the Korean Pro's use it.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
July 28 2013 15:46 GMT
#2534
On July 29 2013 00:33 Tao367 wrote:
Just picked up the logitech g9x. No idea why it's discontinued, apparently its the best mouse around. A huge percentage of the Korean Pro's use it.


They probably wanted to throw out a new version with a better sensor, i'd probably buy
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12627 Posts
July 28 2013 16:35 GMT
#2535
Just a small review on the Razer oroborus.

The goods:
+ Customisation is really good imo, I love how you can change the sides because I hold my mouse quite low and I was basically gliding the bottom of my hand on the mouse pad when I use my deathadder. BUT no weight changes
+ Design (I love how cool it looks without being all about flashy lights). Put the mouse on the dock and it looks good enough for a decoration
+ a lot of macro keys. I personally don't use that many macro keys but some are just well placed enough for me to use it with ease.
+ Nice mouse scroll wheel. I love the texture on it, infinitely better than my deathadder. the only thing that is lacking is that it doesn't provide the smooth scrolling, you get the section by section scrolling instead.
+ Driver. The old Razer driver sucked hard, the deathadder gets random freeze every 5 seconds or so. The new one got cloud saving etcetc, as good as a driver needs to be imo.

- Battery doesn't last as long as expected imo. but I rarely use it for the wireless mode anyway.
- For a premium priced mouse, the build quality is surprisingly bad. Not that it is having any issues but the general feel to it is not that great. I would say it's the plastic surface wasn't very nice to feel.
- Price. I won't have gotten it if I weren't moving back and selling my PS3 and monitor. It's a huge price tag on some features that not everyone wants and needs
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
July 28 2013 16:39 GMT
#2536
On July 26 2013 04:20 Gotuso wrote:
My old G5 recently broke down and I'm debating whether to replace it with a Logitech G500 (not the brand new one) or the Deathadder 2013.

The reasons for the G500 would be:
- 10 euro cheaper (60 vs 70)
- ability to unlock scroll wheel for browsing
- third mouse button

What I don't like about the G500 is the weights and the DPI buttons, since I never use it. However what really makes me doubt my choice is that a lot of people swear by Deathadder and I'm really curious what makes it so awesome. Can anyone tell why Razor would be the better choice?

I have had a G500 for a few years and pretty much ignore the weight adjustment and DPI buttons (unless I'm doing some really exact Photoshopping).

I have a Deathadder too, but I prefer the G500 shape for fingertip grip. If you use a different grip, it might feel better in your hand, but I just have it as a backup right now.
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
July 28 2013 19:45 GMT
#2537
On July 28 2013 12:39 carmon wrote:
@cyro @twilightrain thanks for the input again went ahead and ordered the 2013 one. Now I just need to wait for it in the mail. ^.^


I have the Deathadder 2013 having previously had a Deathadder Black Edition and a Logitech G500. I love mine. Perfect size for my hand using a sort of palm / claw grip hybrid and the addition of the rubber on the sides is great for grip. The buttons are easy to click and it's a generally good mouse. I'm using 1200dpi on mine, 6400dpi is just ridiculous and a setting I don't think anyone in their right mind would use!
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ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 10:11:38
July 29 2013 10:10 GMT
#2538
Just ordered a Logitech g9x, got it at around 80€ or $100

could get it cheaper if I ordered a MW3 version of it but that simply will not happen!

Heard a lot of good about this mouse and it can't get worse after using a horrible Steelseries mouse. Wow they make some trashy stuff.
"In the name of Holy Terra I challenge, Take up arms, for the Emperor’s Justice falls on you!"
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
July 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#2539
On July 22 2013 23:44 dmfg wrote:
My G9 just died (right click gave out) and I'm looking for a replacement..

1. What's your grip style?
Claw
2. What's your sensitivity?
Medium (1400 dpi on my G9)
3. What's your maximum budget?
Ideally no more than £70. Would have to be truly exceptional above that
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Must have comfortable and accessible thumb forward and back buttons
5. What games do you play?
WoW, SC2 and Diablo 3
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No to angle snapping
7. Other relevant information:
I prefer "blocky" designs more than Razer's curved mice.
The scroll wheel has to be good - something that feels solid (not just a rubber ring) and doesn't skip or scroll unevenly.
Prefer on board memory as I will be using it across multiple PCs.


Hey guys, coming back in for round 2 - turns out the CM storm spawn (which was recommended, and looked like a good fit for me) isn't available in the UK any more, and the few places I can find it are charging ridiculous prices to ship it from the States. So, back to the drawing board.

I've been looking at the cut down Xornet (which is still available), the DA 2013 and various Naos models. They all seem potentially suitable and I gather good quality sensors, but I'm a bit worried about build quality. I travel a fair bit and usually just bung my mouse and laptop into a backpack. I've read review for all of these that make me think they might not hold up too well (especially the DA). Anyone had experience with this?

Also any other suggestions for 5/7 button claw grip mice with a good scroll wheel would be appreciated!
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
July 31 2013 05:24 GMT
#2540
Why don't you just get another G9(X)?
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