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On January 31 2011 21:22 vek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 17:19 Karliath wrote:
What do you do to keep your keyboard clean? A can of Compressed air works well for getting dust and junk out (take it outside before you go mad). Get one that has a straw so you can get in between the keys. If you want to do a "deep" clean your best bet is going to be pulling all the keys out, tossing them into a bucket with warm water and mild detergent and giving it a whirl. If they are really dirty use a paintbrush or soft toothbrush to clean them out. While the keys are drying out you can clean the keyboard itself. Again a paintbrush or soft toothbrush is good here. Just take it outside and give it a good brushing. I wouldn't use water for this bit unless you just use a damp cloth on the plastic parts.
I think he was talking about the blackwidows glossy parts :> just wipe them with a sock or summit
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I'd just use a microfiber cloth of some sort for that then.
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Black widow has some seirous NKRO issues. It has 2key RO. (They advertise 6 but thats only above the controller, wasd etc). In fact the Black widow has a few combinations that 3 keys wont work, ie its considered 2key RO. For example, you cannot use wa and any arrow key. (Very neccesary for flying stuff). Key combos like zxc do not work. I would recommend the new mechs on Elitekeyboards that will be coming out in the next few weeks. I had a conversation with one of the sales reps and although they wont be filco's they are very similar keyboards at the Black widow price point. Go for the Das with blues imo if you need one now.
From an enthusiast standpoint, or even a performance user, this keyboard is not for you. It just does not perform from a competitive players point of view. If you wanted a mech keyboard for cheap you could always find an ABS m1, a Qsenn DT35, or an IBM model M for sub $30 shipped
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On January 31 2011 21:42 Phayze wrote:
Black widow has some seirous NKRO issues. It has 2key RO. (They advertise 6 but thats only above the controller, wasd etc). In fact the Black widow has a few combinations that 3 keys wont work, ie its considered 2key RO. For example, you cannot use wa and any arrow key. (Very neccesary for flying stuff). Key combos like zxc do not work. I would recommend the new mechs on Elitekeyboards that will be coming out in the next few weeks. I had a conversation with one of the sales reps and although they wont be filco's they are very similar keyboards at the Black widow price point. Go for the Das with blues imo if you need one now.
From an enthusiast standpoint, or even a performance user, this keyboard is not for you. It just does not perform from a competitive players point of view. If you wanted a mech keyboard for cheap you could always find an ABS m1, a Qsenn DT35, or an IBM model M for sub $30 shipped
The last 15 pages have had debates over whether the NKRO issues were a problem or not, and most people agree that it is not.
Any enthusiast that is playing a flying simulator will not being using a keyboard. And what game has 'zxc' as an important combo?
Anyways, the keyboard is perfect for a competitive starcraft 2 player. I believe Jinro uses it and it doesn't seem like he has any problems with NKRO. Have you even used the keyboard?
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I think I have NKRO problems when I play emulator games with the arrow keys and alphabet keys. I swear I'm doing some quick jump attacks in final fight but instead I just stand there and die sometimes.. Other than that I had no problems playing Metro 2033, Crysis, SC2, mmos, etc etc.
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Holynorth, I own one but have ran into the 2kro more often than i would have liked. It has worse rollover than even my old $15 microsoft keyboard.
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On February 01 2011 05:38 Phayze wrote:
Holynorth, I own one but have ran into the 2kro more often than i would have liked. It has worse rollover than even my old $15 microsoft keyboard.
Playing what games?
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I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless.
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On February 09 2011 06:56 SolShock wrote:
I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless.
I have never had actuation trouble with my Filco blue. And the "blue vs browns for gaming" is mostly personal preference, as far as I'm concerned. I love the feedback, so I like blues. Some people hate the sound, so they go for the browns.
With regards to the bottoming out: You will need a ton of practice to not bottom out in SC2. Typing is completely different and I can avoid bottoming out generally, but that's because my fingers are used to moving in a certain pattern across the keyboard to not bottom out. Starcraft 2 does not follow the same pattern (especially concerning shifting from the number row to the bottom row of letters like 5x to make a phoenix), and so the fingers will often overcompensate in pressure due to the speed at which you are doing it.
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On February 09 2011 06:56 SolShock wrote:
I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless.
If you're going from a regular keyboard to the BlackWidow, it won't feel harder to double tap a key. However, using my BlackWidow, I do understand what they mean. I can't really explain in word though. ><
It's possible not to bottom out your keys, but I think it would be more of a hassle to do so then it's worth. Your apm isn't that fast (most likely) that this action would save you any time.
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On February 09 2011 06:56 SolShock wrote:
I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless.
I JUST gone mine a few days ago but I love it, much better than the G15 I had before.
As to your post I actually read the browns were not the best for gaming as they have a higher error rate since they are so easy to push.
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On February 10 2011 15:14 Bizarro252 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 06:56 SolShock wrote:
I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless. I JUST gone mine a few days ago but I love it, much better than the G15 I had before. As to your post I actually read the browns were not the best for gaming as they have a higher error rate since they are so easy to push.
how is easier to push an error rate. That would be your error rate not the keys fault. I mean people don't bind keys across the keyboard so they can type with a fist they use a wasd cluster all next to each other and use accurate key presses to play the game.
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I've had mine since Christmas, and I love it. It's amazing to type on. I haven't had any problems with the double tapping; going to control groups in sc always worked perfectly. It has a really solid feel too.
They advertise it as a gaming keyboard, but honestly I feel like it really shines just in regular everyday typing. It's awesome for that.
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On February 10 2011 15:48 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 15:14 Bizarro252 wrote:On February 09 2011 06:56 SolShock wrote:
I hear that this keyboard may not be the best suited for Starcraft 2 because Cherry MX Blues are not the best for double tapping one key. (Due to the reset position being slightly different than the actuation point.) Does anyone have any anecdotal or first hand accounts with regards to these blue switches and double tapping for things like snapping to a control group or queuing? Does it feel less responsive in that particular area in comparison to any other keyboards you've owned?
What about the comparison of Cherry blues to browns in gaming applications? I've heard that typing is easier on blues but browns are better suited for gaming?
Lastly, anyone play SC2 without bottoming out their Black Widow keys? I've been trying to train myself to not bottom out my keys but I've been typing this one way on rubber domes for so long I feel as though it's hopeless. I JUST gone mine a few days ago but I love it, much better than the G15 I had before. As to your post I actually read the browns were not the best for gaming as they have a higher error rate since they are so easy to push. how is easier to push an error rate. That would be your error rate not the keys fault. I mean people don't bind keys across the keyboard so they can type with a fist they use a wasd cluster all next to each other and use accurate key presses to play the game.
OK so I phrased the wrong, one of the main reasons that I got a mech keyboard was on my G15 the membranes style, it was easy to 'mash' buttons on accident if you were slightly off and it not register the right one. So when I said that about the browns being easier to push that is what I meant, easier to hit the key next to the key your going for if your slightly off (relative to a harder to push switch like a blue or black)
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I'm still really enjoying mine. Given I had no prior experience with mech keyboards, I did read up on it all before deciding though(price was the winner). Feels lovely to type on, solid etc. and no errors what so ever for me so far.
I'm still having trouble converting from the flat keyboard on my laptop which I've been using for hours every day for more than 4 years(and still have to use at uni), but it's slowly becoming less and less of an issue. And to be frank, it hasn't got anything to do with the specific keyboard, but it's rather my own limitation.
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That's a pretty thorough clean for sure vek, thanks for the advice was just thinking the same question, my Filco is starting to get a bit dirty and compressed air with the tube only goes so far. 
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Im looking for a new keyboard and I want one thats really low resistance on the buttons because sometimes my index and middle finger hurt from spamming hotkeys in sc, Is this a good one for that? If not any reccomendations?
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On February 10 2011 17:39 chrusher97 wrote:
Im looking for a new keyboard and I want one thats really low resistance on the buttons because sometimes my index and middle finger hurt from spamming hotkeys in sc, Is this a good one for that? If not any reccomendations?
I don't have any personal experience with mechanical keyboards, although that will change in the upcoming weeks.
If you want a keyboard with low resistance on a budget, then either get one of them chiclet low-profile keyboards like an Apple keyboard or something similar.
If going the mechanical route, your best choice would be either cherry blue or cherry brown switches as they are both tactile and non-linear switches.
Supposedly linear switches make your fingers hurt when typing due to the resistance. On the other hand a lot of pro gamers and people on this board use a keyboard like the 6Gv2 for SC2. Take that as you may.
All that being said, the Razer BlackWidow may or may not fit your needs as it's one of the cheapest and most available cherry blues out there on the market right now.
Per your specifications, cherry blue or cherry brown switch keyboards would be your best bet if you're going mechanical. Topre is an option too, but that's more of a niche genre of keyboard that most people would not be able to appreciate nor purchase.
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On February 10 2011 17:01 CooDu wrote:That's a pretty thorough clean for sure vek, thanks for the advice was just thinking the same question, my Filco is starting to get a bit dirty and compressed air with the tube only goes so far.
Heh yeah. I haven't had to do a massive clean of my Filco yet. I just take it outside and give it a quick spray with compressed air to get rid of the dust that sneaks in between the keys.
Only ever did a massive clean of my old DEC mechanical keyboard because it was about 10 years old (at the time). Some sort of bug had managed to nest or something under the P key which made it hard to press. When I opened it up there was a lot more crap inside than I expected so I just pulled it all apart and gave everything a really good clean.
It's still working today
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Does the Blackwidow come with a wrist rest? I've seen something about wrist wrest on it show up here and there but I can't find anything definitive.
Or is that only for the Ultimate version?
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