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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cerumo
Profile Joined December 2009
United States40 Posts
December 25 2011 07:10 GMT
#16501
I was planning on 2, one a 20 inch hp and the other a 32 inch sharp aquos tv (this one not for gaming, just movies)
Iwinulose
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2011 07:11 GMT
#16502
Oh so your television is HDMI? There's nothing to worry about than since EVGA includes the mini HDMI to HDMI adapter for you.
TempusDESU
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 09:26:43
December 25 2011 08:22 GMT
#16503
Hey. I've made a build, I need someone to critique it. All parts are from pccasegear.com.au.
Budget: ~$1100
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Motherboard -$135.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18137

Intel Core i5 2500K $235.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=187_346_1184&products_id=16531

Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 -$49.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=16437

Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST31000524AS - $109.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=210_344&products_id=16679

Corsair TX-650 V2 Power Supply - $115.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_354&products_id=17211

Gainward GeForce GTX 570 1280MB Goes Like Hell Edition - $369.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1177&products_id=18618

CoolerMaster HAF 912 Advanced -$109.00
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=15892
I need a new quote :S
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
December 25 2011 10:08 GMT
#16504
Swap the RAM out for this set. The reasoning behind that is large heatspreaders are actually pretty useless and are generally a negative thing as it restricts clearance.

I'd get this motherboard instead. PCIe 3.0 isn't really that useful and won't be for a long time.

You don't need 650W, this is fine.

Besides that, your build is fine. I know you said you don't want to overclock but its not very difficult. If you still don't want to overclock, ditch the i5 2500k + Z68 motherboard and get a i5 2400 + H61 or H67 motherboard.
TempusDESU
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 11:46:31
December 25 2011 11:28 GMT
#16505
On December 25 2011 19:08 Womwomwom wrote:
Swap the RAM out for this set. The reasoning behind that is large heatspreaders are actually pretty useless and are generally a negative thing as it restricts clearance.

I'd get this motherboard instead. PCIe 3.0 isn't really that useful and won't be for a long time.

You don't need 650W, this is fine.

Besides that, your build is fine. I know you said you don't want to overclock but its not very difficult. If you still don't want to overclock, ditch the i5 2500k + Z68 motherboard and get a i5 2400 + H61 or H67 motherboard.


According to nVidia's website, the psu isn't good enough: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-570-us.html

The mobo you linked has PCIe 3.0 slots as well.

Sorry if I just made a stupid mistake, i'm a noob.

EDIT: I'm getting the mobo you suggested, but a 600 watt psu instead. Is this alright or still to much? Also, I have changed my mind and I plan to overclock.
I need a new quote :S
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
December 25 2011 12:47 GMT
#16506
It's USB3 and PCIe 2.0

And they say like 650w because of bad PSU's, a good 450w will take care of a gtx570 with i5-2500k np
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 13:49:11
December 25 2011 13:09 GMT
#16507
Merry Christmas morning, afternoon, evening or night TL. Hope your all having fun.

Like a lot of people I'm sure, I got a nice bit of cold hard cash for Christmas and I'm looking to upgrade my computer.

have made a preliminary list here http://orders.ebuyer.com/customer/shopping/index.html?action=c2hvd2NhcnQ=

If someone would be so kind to have a quick look to make sure I'm not doing anything stupid with it!!!

Also, I know there's no hard drive on the list, I bought a new 500gb seagate about 6-7 months ago so will be using that, can I simply plug it in and load it up? Other minor things like DVD drive etc I will be salvaging from my current build. It still works but its a bit ancient to say the least!!!!

Thanks for your time all

Edit: Typo

Edit 2: OK, so the link seems broken /sadface.jpeg

Here's a pretty picture I made

[image loading]
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
AzraeL-
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
December 25 2011 14:28 GMT
#16508
Hi, would I be better off with an i3 or and amd fx-4100 for gaming?
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 14:36:53
December 25 2011 14:36 GMT
#16509
i3-2***

amd is bad for gaming, fx series is even worse then phenom
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 14:41:22
December 25 2011 14:40 GMT
#16510
On December 25 2011 22:09 jimthelege wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Merry Christmas morning, afternoon, evening or night TL. Hope your all having fun.

Like a lot of people I'm sure, I got a nice bit of cold hard cash for Christmas and I'm looking to upgrade my computer.

have made a preliminary list here http://orders.ebuyer.com/customer/shopping/index.html?action=c2hvd2NhcnQ=

If someone would be so kind to have a quick look to make sure I'm not doing anything stupid with it!!!

Also, I know there's no hard drive on the list, I bought a new 500gb seagate about 6-7 months ago so will be using that, can I simply plug it in and load it up? Other minor things like DVD drive etc I will be salvaging from my current build. It still works but its a bit ancient to say the least!!!!

Thanks for your time all

Edit: Typo

Edit 2: OK, so the link seems broken /sadface.jpeg

Here's a pretty picture I made

[image loading]


You'll need to format it and re-install Windows again since the new hardware will require new drivers.

It's a good list except for the power supply + case.
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
December 25 2011 15:00 GMT
#16511
On December 25 2011 23:40 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2011 22:09 jimthelege wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Merry Christmas morning, afternoon, evening or night TL. Hope your all having fun.

Like a lot of people I'm sure, I got a nice bit of cold hard cash for Christmas and I'm looking to upgrade my computer.

have made a preliminary list here http://orders.ebuyer.com/customer/shopping/index.html?action=c2hvd2NhcnQ=

If someone would be so kind to have a quick look to make sure I'm not doing anything stupid with it!!!

Also, I know there's no hard drive on the list, I bought a new 500gb seagate about 6-7 months ago so will be using that, can I simply plug it in and load it up? Other minor things like DVD drive etc I will be salvaging from my current build. It still works but its a bit ancient to say the least!!!!

Thanks for your time all

Edit: Typo

Edit 2: OK, so the link seems broken /sadface.jpeg

Here's a pretty picture I made

[image loading]


You'll need to format it and re-install Windows again since the new hardware will require new drivers.

It's a good list except for the power supply + case.



Thanks for the response. Is there anything specific about the case that could be a problem? I'm really not bothered what it looks like as it sits on the floor behind stuff lol.

Do you think it would be worth buying a better brand for the power supply to be more reliable? Part of the reason behind that bundle is that its on offer at the moment hehe.

Thanks.
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2011 15:17 GMT
#16512
The problem isn't with the case but with the power supply. Any case that fits the components and have decent airflow (basically every case) is fine.

The power supply is just shit. It has poor efficiency, its build quality is low, and it isn't really a 500w unit. Though this configuration will never come close to using 500w of power, it's primarily the build quality that is the problem.

I would suggest getting a Bitfenix Merc Alpha along with a CX430V2 or XFX Core Edition 450, you'll need to use molex to PCI-E adapters but this won't be an issue.

If you don't have the funds than consider dropping down to the H61 motherboard.

You may also want to check amazon.co.uk as I believe they're cheaper as well.
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
December 25 2011 15:53 GMT
#16513
Thanks for all the info, even on Christmas Day TL tech forum rocks!!!!

One last question if thats alright :D If I did come down to a H61 motherboard due to buying a more expensive PSU/Case, would there be any noticable loss in features or speed? I'm not looking to do anything to demanding. Just general gaming, SC2, D3, WoW Deus Ex etc etc, and not looking into overclocking either hence not going up to the K CPU.
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 25 2011 17:14 GMT
#16514
H61 just means you get four SATA2 ports standard instead of four SATA2 + two SATA3. Mechanical hard drives aren't fast enough for the interface speed difference between SATA2 and SATA3 to matter at all. SATA3 is just not to bottleneck the faster SSDs.

Regardless of which chipset, the video card is more or less wired directly to the CPU, and the memory is also wired directly to the CPU, and so on. Motherboard features and layout have next to no bearing on system performance. With a cheaper motherboard you just may have no overclocking options, no USB3 ports, less other ports, and so on.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
December 25 2011 17:37 GMT
#16515
Back in november i got 700 bux, so i surfed online for a nice new pc. But i ended going to amds manufacture website and had to travel about 60 miles to the nearest store to get it. It was 650 without tax, AMD phenom II 6 core 2.7 ghz, 8 gigs or ram, 1.5 TB and i think the hard drive gets like 8 or 9000 rpm, it also came with a pretty nice internet card and audio too, wondering if what i spent on my new pc was actually a good deal or not?
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 25 2011 18:10 GMT
#16516
On December 26 2011 02:37 FlyingToilet wrote:
Back in november i got 700 bux, so i surfed online for a nice new pc. But i ended going to amds manufacture website and had to travel about 60 miles to the nearest store to get it. It was 650 without tax, AMD phenom II 6 core 2.7 ghz, 8 gigs or ram, 1.5 TB and i think the hard drive gets like 8 or 9000 rpm, it also came with a pretty nice internet card and audio too, wondering if what i spent on my new pc was actually a good deal or not?


Standard consumer hard drive speeds are 7200 rpm and 5400 rpm (sometimes 5900 rpm), only 10000 rpm if you're looking at a Velociraptor, which nobody sane buys these days. All motherboards now have Ethernet ports and onboard audio ports--I'm assuming this is what you're talking about, or did it actually come with dedicated add-on cards for those as well (that sit on slots generally below the graphics card)?

Anyway, the value depends on what you're using the computer for and the other components. For everyday use and gaming, the Phenom II X6 is more expensive and worse (while using significantly more power) than a Core i3. For rendering or transcoding, performance is more in line with a Core i5. You didn't mention the video card, case, or power supply. If it included Windows, then so long as the graphics card is like an HD 6850 or better, it's an okay deal. If it's worse than an HD 6750, then it's no good for the price.
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
December 25 2011 18:29 GMT
#16517
On December 26 2011 02:14 Myrmidon wrote:
H61 just means you get four SATA2 ports standard instead of four SATA2 + two SATA3. Mechanical hard drives aren't fast enough for the interface speed difference between SATA2 and SATA3 to matter at all. SATA3 is just not to bottleneck the faster SSDs.

Regardless of which chipset, the video card is more or less wired directly to the CPU, and the memory is also wired directly to the CPU, and so on. Motherboard features and layout have next to no bearing on system performance. With a cheaper motherboard you just may have no overclocking options, no USB3 ports, less other ports, and so on.



Thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking it would be better to get a middle level motherboard for a middle level CPU, but if there's no real advantages for me then I think I will save a bit of cash and put it towards a better PSU. Am I right in assuming its time I pulled my finger out and upgraded to Windows 7? Still running XP lol. I found a website where I can get the upgrade for about £40, all I gotta do is pretend I'm a student!!!!
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 18:37:29
December 25 2011 18:31 GMT
#16518
We're all students of the lessons of life.
twitch.tv/medrea
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 19:09:58
December 25 2011 18:46 GMT
#16519
its pretty much a hp case the weird ones with the button on top hpe - 500f, and the reason i bought the x6 is cuz i have another computer thats an i7 at 3.6 ghz with a shitty graphics card, btw its a radeon 6450 card. and my internet card is a basic ethernet with some pretty good wifi, oh and btw i dnt really know my power supply and im looking to upgrade to a 2 gb graphics card, im wondering how can i detect my power supply through a program or engine, and i have opened my case before its just i think my power supply is generic and i doesnt really list the wattage info inside of the case, and i have windows 7 64 on my hard drive, im looking to up my graphics card to a radeon 6800 series or a nvidia gtx i think 540, also im thinking about buying a 2gb card, would it be worth it to extra price for a 2 GB card?!!! oh and thanks for helping me i really appreciate it!
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
Mottz
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal101 Posts
December 25 2011 19:54 GMT
#16520
Hello fellow TLers, gonna retire my 4 year old laptop and get my self a Desktop computer.

My understanding of hardware is pretty shallow, so I'd like some one more experienced to take a look at the setup i've assembled to make sure im doing anything too stupid.

Its a fresh build, i wont be salvaging any parts what so ever, since i dont own any desktop to salvage from:

CPU: Intel Pentium Sandy Bridge G620 - 2,6 GHz - Cache L3 3 MB
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD6770 1GB GDDR5
Cooler: Hyper TX3
RAM: Kingston Hyper X 2x2 GB DDR3 1600
HDD: Hitachi DeskStar 7K1000.C 3,5" - 500 GB
PSU: Corsair CX500 V2 500 W
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-H61M-S2P-B3 - Socket 1155 - Chipset H61 - Micro-ATX
Random DVD Recorder

This sums up to 460€ without shipping fees, my budget is 510€ + shipping fees.

This is going to be primarily for gaming, also I'd like some opinions about the CPU if possible, I've heard its really good price/performance, but how bad will it bottleneck the whole system? Any suggestions for CPU that meet the budget would be great.

Thank you and merry Christmas.
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