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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:42 mav451 wrote: SSDs vastly improve game-loading time and OS responsiveness. The exponentially lower random access time cannot be matched by a mechanical drive. The biggest problem, albeit for all, is the higher cost. If you can afford it, it is the most tangible difference to a system (apart from display and input devices - mouse/KB). http://techreport.com/articles.x/19330/6 http://techreport.com/articles.x/19049/6 But seriously, keep poo-pooing new technology. SSDs might throw out big numbers in some areaa but that doesn't mean they're all around winners, and definitely not worth the price they ask. 4~ seconds off windows boot time is terrible, but half the time to load a MW2 level is great, yet anywhere from 5-10s to load a crysis level, and so on. I mean ... the crucial drive they have on there is almost $600, compared to the $60 samsung F3. I don't think the crucial is 10x the drive the F3 is. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
GeneralStan: gl finding a monitor, I dunno what's up with the cheapest monitor brands/deals. For gaming, display latency (often called input lag) and response time are important. Granted, display latency is often not as bad on smaller LCDs, particularly those sold as desktop displays and not HDTVs. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 14 2010 06:50 GeneralStan wrote: II just ordered my new computer AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX440WFGIBOX ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2/2GR Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal AV Hard Drive -Bare Drive ASUS ENGT240/DI/512MD5/A GeForce GT 240 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM Rosewill R519-BK Black Computer Case 500W Power Supply Grand total: $407.71 shipped. I'm looking around seeing other deals I could have taken advantage of, and second guessing myself, but I'm having trouble seeing how much more computer I could get for $400ish Now I need a monitor. Since I'm only on a GT240, resolution shouldn't be super high, and I'm not looking to spend to much. Any suggestions? I'm not sure trying to buy a computer for $400 was a good idea. For example, I found a $499 (before shipping) version of this system (combo'd with a different motherboard). That would be wwaayy faster than that GTS 240 ... | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 14 2010 08:03 Myrmidon wrote: I don't think level load times and boot times is the best way to look at SSDs vs. non-SSDs. Behind-the-scenes OS operations include a lot of small file accesses. Those are on the order of 0.1 ms for SSDs and 10 ms for HDDs. These days, reliability, number of write operations, sequential speeds, etc. are not liabilities for SSDs compared to HDDs. Some SSDs are better there, some are worse. Those are pretty much insignificant to the end user. The only things the end user usually ever cares about is 1) loading times of their systems, applications, 2) file copying, and 3) reliability. I'm not going to harp on SSD reliability, because they just haven't been out that long. But you really can't say you sit at your desk monitoring your hard drive IOs all day to say to yourself, "time to invest hundreds of dollars in a piece of hardware that gives me negligible storage capacity and marginal speed increases!" Really, when (if) SSDs start coming down in price, I'm sure you'll start to see widespread adoption. Its just not worth the money right now, especially with rock bottom pricing of caviar blacks and other fast normal drives. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On August 14 2010 08:11 a176 wrote: I'm not sure trying to buy a computer for $400 was a good idea. For example, I found a $499 (before shipping) version of this system (combo'd with a different motherboard). That would be wwaayy faster than that GTS 240 ... You got a good deal then, because that one comes out to $570 on newegg using the button they give. I'm not sure it's $170 (40%) of performance increase | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
When I got it, it was 110 with free shipping. http://www3.slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=2169200 If you can get this deal though, I'd get it. Don't touch Velociraptors anymore. >_> The invention of SSDs made them obsolete and extremely overpriced. Either go 7200 mechanical or SSD and mechanical storage drive. | ||
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nineninja9
United States194 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6238/500d.png) $400 computer, after mail in rebates, that can run SC2 on max. Unfortunately, mail in rebates are unreliable, so I am cheating a little bit, not to mention there are a couple of prices that will go up after 2 days. Basically, $400 is not a lot of money. I don't believe I skimped on any parts in this build though, so it should be solid. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Aug-0-2010/wow72hour/index-landing.html?cm_mmc=SNC-Facebook-_-na-_-na-_-na&nm_mc=SNC-Facebook $60 MSI 770 AM3 Mobo $40 after MIR $110 MSI 980a SLI Ready AM3 Mobo $90 after MIR $60 Cooler Master Storm Scout $60 620w Antec Neo Eco PSU and $40 after MIR $85 Patriot G Series Sector 5 2x2gb RAM and $65 after MIR $130 MSI 5750 Graphics Card and $100 after MIR 10% off Samsung Monitors with promo code 10% off atx cases with promo code | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 14 2010 08:21 a176 wrote: But you really can't say you sit at your desk monitoring your hard drive IOs all day to say to yourself, "time to invest hundreds of dollars in a piece of hardware that gives me negligible storage capacity and marginal speed increases!" I know this is besides the point because it's not an end user scenario, but the supercomputing cluster I use at school just moved /home/ storage to an SSD. omg it's so much better. The cluster is something like 1100 dual Xeons (C2D equivalents), so 8 cores per motherboard. We used to be I/O bottlenecked like crazy, e.g. in a directory with hundreds of files, an "ls" command would take 30 seconds to run. Lots of people complained about general I/O issues and wrote angry e-mails at their desks. Finally the staff invested thousands of dollars in the new equipment.  In more seriousness, I still think there are some heavily random-access-dependent tasks normal end users might see in the background like virus scanning, torrenting, etc. There are a lot of small files that need to be accessed and updated while people are doing normal things on their computer. Eventually, file access and application loading times do add up. Of course given the price, it's still not worth it to most consumers, but for someone with a healthy budget who was already considering an i7, a Velociraptor, etc... | ||
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Fiendish
United States210 Posts
I ordered my computer, should get it in about 3 days, thanks for all the help everyone! One more question, With this optical drive, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 do I need to order some more cables since it is OEM? Because I ordered cables for my OEM hardrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816033 If so, should I just go somewhere local once my computer arrives, or will it be worth it to order them from newegg or somewhere else cheap? | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
![[image loading]](http://hfr-rehost.net/preview/http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos_news/00/29/IMG0029329.png) Kinda random but i wanted to post the specs of the upcoming Intel line up. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On August 14 2010 17:38 Fiendish wrote: Hi again, I ordered my computer, should get it in about 3 days, thanks for all the help everyone! One more question, With this optical drive, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 do I need to order some more cables since it is OEM? Because I ordered cables for my OEM hardrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816033 If so, should I just go somewhere local once my computer arrives, or will it be worth it to order them from newegg or somewhere else cheap? lol cables are like $2 just buy it local your motherboard will probably come with some cables though, it usually has a set of IDE cables and at least 1 sata cable | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 14 2010 20:42 Boblion wrote: Kinda random but i wanted to post the specs of the upcoming Intel line up. Prices? Doesn't seem that special to me, are they just pushing their GPU on CPU range? If so, it would benefit people that want a good workstation but not attractive for gamers. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
The stock freqs are higher than the current i3/5/7 but since it is a new architecture it will scale even better i guess. I have read some interesting rumours too: Since you are Chinese -> http://www.behardware.com/news/11044/sandy-bridge-intel-to-limit-overclocking.html From what i have found / understand there will be versions with IGP ( LGA 1155 ) and without ( LGA 2011) depending of the socket | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
--- 1. What YOUR PC will be used for: Gaming, general multitasking (internet browsing, playing music, downloading content, instant messaging, etc.) 2. What YOUR budget is. Before taxes, to be $800-$900 CAD = $775-$875 US. 3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from. Canada (City of Toronto). 4. IF YOU have a brand preference. Just looking for quality. 5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are. Only have a mouse to use. 6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads. Oh yeah! I've been researching this stuff non-stop for about 2 weeks now. 7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds. If I am 99.9 percent certain that nothing will go wrong then I would try it. Otherwise I will hold off until I get another computer as a backup (this is my first build). 8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with. 1920x1080  9. WHEN do you plan to build it? Plan to order as soon as possible, built and running smoothly before 3 weeks elapse. 10. Don't ask for a build configuration critique or rating if you are thin skinned. I would appreciate comments as long as they are rational. ---- Hi, this is my first time building a computer and I am just about ready to order my parts unless some big concerns surface. Going with these local suppliers makes my shipping cost $0. Here is my build. --- Supplier 1: www.canadacomputers.com Asus VH242H 23.6" 1080p LCD - $180 AR http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=023280&ref=dynamitedata.com Antec 300 Case - $50 AR http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=018460&ref=dynamitedata.com 2 x Cooler Master 120 mm LED fan - $20 http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=027866&ref=dynamitedata.com Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 OEM - $10 http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=031284&ref=dynamitedata.com --- Supplier 2: www.ncix.com Athlon II X4 635 2.9 GHz Processor - $105 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54961 Asus Radeon HD EAS5770 1 Gb Video Card - $140 AR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=50073 2 x 2 Gb G.Skill DDR3-1333 RAM - $98 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30167 OCZ Z-Series 650W 80+ Silver Power Supply - $40 AR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45236 Asus M4A77TD Motherboard - $70 AR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46944 Seagate 500 Gb SATA Hard Drive - $40 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36050 Samsung 22X SATA DVD Writer OEM - $23 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46792 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit OEM - $106 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45271 --- Total: $882 CAD ($856 US) Thanks guys. P.S. Please let me know if you feel the CPU/Mobo/RAM are not compatible. I don't want to run into issues. I know the motherboard isn't the best one out there but I'm pretty happy with it's value. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
Overall, nice build. Good deal on the PSU, too. You'll need an extra SATA cable if you haven't already. One for the Optical Drive and one for the Hard Drive. Your motherboard should already come with one. | ||
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