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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
July 30 2010 20:12 GMT
#361
On July 31 2010 04:47 tofucake wrote:
Not really. Preconfigured systems come with loads of bloatware and are overpriced. Buying the parts and assembling a computer by yourself is cheaper.


if i cant do that, are there services that can for a price?
Dohrann
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
July 30 2010 21:38 GMT
#362

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 02:49 Dohrann wrote:
On July 31 2010 02:45 FragKrag wrote:
It still shows the same mobo/psu/ram that you had before


Ah, sorry, Photobucket fails at linking I guess. I'll do it this way:

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 (enough Watts for everything?)
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127478


The PSU will be able to handle it all.

8GBs of RAM? 4GB is more than enough for casual use. If you aren't doing something like video encoding it's not worth the premium.

GTS 250 for $130? (Keep in mind those rebates are fulfilled by them giving you that amount in gift cards [Visa I think]). I'd opt for a 5770 or even 460 instead with the money you save by going 4gb of RAM.

Have you tried comboing items? You can save quite a bit of money.



I will be using it for some CADD design, drafting, other than that it will be for mainly gaming. I'm not sure if RAM will effect CADD designing though. I wouldn't assume so.

As for combining items, I plan to do as much of that as I can when I actually place the order, as I can't add combined items into my wish list.
"Epic!~"
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
July 30 2010 22:32 GMT
#363
On July 31 2010 06:38 Dohrann wrote:
Show nested quote +

On July 31 2010 02:49 Dohrann wrote:
On July 31 2010 02:45 FragKrag wrote:
It still shows the same mobo/psu/ram that you had before


Ah, sorry, Photobucket fails at linking I guess. I'll do it this way:

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 (enough Watts for everything?)
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
Graphics Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127478


The PSU will be able to handle it all.

8GBs of RAM? 4GB is more than enough for casual use. If you aren't doing something like video encoding it's not worth the premium.

GTS 250 for $130? (Keep in mind those rebates are fulfilled by them giving you that amount in gift cards [Visa I think]). I'd opt for a 5770 or even 460 instead with the money you save by going 4gb of RAM.

Have you tried comboing items? You can save quite a bit of money.



I will be using it for some CADD design, drafting, other than that it will be for mainly gaming. I'm not sure if RAM will effect CADD designing though. I wouldn't assume so.

As for combining items, I plan to do as much of that as I can when I actually place the order, as I can't add combined items into my wish list.


RAM is super important if you plan on doing intensive 3D renders, or working with high polygon models. So if you plan on using it for work more than games, I'd recommend RAM over graphics. Otherwise, 8 GB isn't terribly useful.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 30 2010 23:51 GMT
#364
Yup usually only important in Photoediting/Video editing or CAD/Rendering assuming the program is 64bit to use the extra memory which they usually are.
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
July 31 2010 00:39 GMT
#365
On July 31 2010 05:12 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 04:47 tofucake wrote:
Not really. Preconfigured systems come with loads of bloatware and are overpriced. Buying the parts and assembling a computer by yourself is cheaper.


if i cant do that, are there services that can for a price?



Since you are in the US, try iBuypower. You can customize your own system.

Prices are actually cheaper than buying the parts sometimes, don't know why.
I'd recommend it if you don't want to build your own computer and don't have the know how.

Prices go as low as 500 sometimes.
and if you already have an OS, you can leave that out of the price and just get the hardware, saving you even more money. (no bloatware too)
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
July 31 2010 00:45 GMT
#366
I managed to make 2 different configurations. Note that the first one is cheaper , but i am interested in what will be able to run sc2 at ultra and run those CAD/Catia programs (Engineers know what i am talking about):

CPU AMD Phenom II x4 925
MBO ASUS M4A77TD Pro Soc.AM3
VGA ASUS EAH5570/DI/1GD3 Low Profile
POW Seasonic SS-620GM 620W
MEM DDR3 2GB 1333MHz KINGSTON KVR1333D3N9/2G X2
HDD WD 320KS 320GB, Serial ATA II, 16 MB cache, 7200 rpm

MBO ASUS M4A77TD PRO Soc.AM3
CPU AMD Phenom II X4 955
POW Seasonic SS-620GM 620W
MEM DDR3 2GB 1333MHz KINGSTON KVR1333D3N9/2G X2
HDD WD 500KS 500 GB, SATA-II, 16 MB cache, 7200 rpm
VGA VTX HD5770 1GB

I do realize that the second configuration is better in theory, but will there be any real difference in practice?
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 31 2010 01:17 GMT
#367
Yes, if only because of the GPU.

the 5570 is a pretty weak GPU
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
July 31 2010 17:22 GMT
#368
Hey, quick question for you guys. I'm currently running sc2 on a core2quad 2.4ghz, 5 gb ram (800mhz ddr2 I think), and an 5750 gfx card. I'm using the "High" preset video settings at 1400x900 res. Early/mid game, fps hovers around 30-40 and in big battles it drops to around 10s-15s. Are these normal frame rates for these video settings? I thought this gfx would be able to handle a bit more, though I know it's considered a budget card.

Also, in the ati CCC, it doesn't specifically say which card I'm using. It just shows "5700 series w/ Monitor" and so I don't have options to monitor temperatures. Any help would be appreciated.
Echo515
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada105 Posts
July 31 2010 18:15 GMT
#369
Hi, I'm buying a laptop and I can't decide between these two:

Toshiba Qosmio

HP Pavilion

Some questions:
What's the difference between a Core i5 430M and Core i5 450M?
Which graphics card is better nvidia 330M or ATI 5650?
Which one will play SC2 better?
Which one would you buy?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 31 2010 19:24 GMT
#370
1. 450M has a higher clock speed.
2. 5650M is better
3. The one with the 5650M
4. The HP

djcube: No, that does not sound like normal frame rates for the 5750 and a 2.4GHz C2Q :/

Have you updated your drivers recently? The 5750 is definitely not a budget card. It's more of a midrange card :/
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
krynis
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada43 Posts
July 31 2010 21:06 GMT
#371
I'm looking to replace most of my current computer on or around the 24th august only keeping a few recent additions, heres the old and new specs below, just looking for an opinion.

Old System -
* CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 620
* GPU: Gigabyte Radeon 5770 1gb DDR5
* MOBO: ASUS M2A-VM (yes I know its archaic but it did not give me any problems beyond not being able to label the cpu.)
* RAM: 4GB DDR2

New System -
* CPU: Intel Core i7 860 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 $334.51
* GPU: Gigabyte Radeon 5770 1gb DDR5 x2
* MOBO: Gigabyte P55A-UD3P ATX LGA1156 P55*
* RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 4X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 7-8-7-20*

i'll keep my Corsair TX650W from the old setup to power it (should be more then enough?) the Mobo and 4gb of the ram is actually a bundle at NCIX.com for $300 with a $40 MIR and ill add 2 more sticks for $121 with a $20 MIR, I wont be getting the second 5770 immediately probably a month after.

atm I prefer Intel over AMD, they just seem better for gaming in my experience, I live in Canada and do most of my shopping from NCIX, oh yeah and I generally play at 1920x1080.

I may OC the new setup but I wont touch that till I've replaced all the cooling and picked up a better case (this one is not ideal of OCing.)

PS. I've also posted this on Anandtechs general hardware forum, looking for opinion from both general pc builders and those who are perhaps more keen on SC2.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 31 2010 21:34 GMT
#372
It looks good, but I'm not sure why you are updating your computer when it should be totally fine :/
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
July 31 2010 21:48 GMT
#373
Yea i don't really know why you buy an i7 + an intel motherboad when you have already an AM3 motherboard. If you want a better CPU get a Phenom II x4 955 or 965, it will be cheaper.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
July 31 2010 21:50 GMT
#374
it's not an AM3 motherboard

it's an AM2 motherboard
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
krynis
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada43 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-31 22:09:59
July 31 2010 22:06 GMT
#375
well presently (despite what it suggests) ultra is NOT playable with this setup, dont know why could be a hardware or software issue I'm unaware of, and the mobo is actually one of the earliest Am2s and it has a hard time recognizing later AM2 or AM3 cpus, so I'd need a new one either way, especially if I want DDR3 so I figured why not give intel a try, a buddy of mine runs almost this exact system and it flies.

also have general slowness in many other games and its been like that with most of my AMD cpus for some years now, granted I've bought mostly budget cpus but they've come up short even against other budget cpus by intel, and not just in this system.

PS. also because I have the money?
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
July 31 2010 23:33 GMT
#376
would a computer with these specifications be able to run sc2 on ultra?

Processor - Intel Pentium E5400(2.7GHz)
Memory - 4GB DDR2
Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 7050 Integrated Graphics
Power Supply - 250W

or do i need to upgrade the graphics card or something?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
August 01 2010 00:46 GMT
#377
Integrated graphics run ultra?
You need a graphics card period, plus probably need to overclock your cpu, a new PSU, you're fine on ram that's about it
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
August 01 2010 01:01 GMT
#378
krynis: A better upgrade would just to buy a motherboard and save the money for a better setup. That setup shouldn't have any problem with high. I don't see any reason to upgrade it and gain minimal performance increases..

Condor Hero: No. You need a better graphics card, and the cpu might be fine. Not 100% sure.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
August 01 2010 01:34 GMT
#379
On August 01 2010 08:33 Condor Hero wrote:
would a computer with these specifications be able to run sc2 on ultra?

Processor - Intel Pentium E5400(2.7GHz)
Memory - 4GB DDR2
Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 7050 Integrated Graphics
Power Supply - 250W

or do i need to upgrade the graphics card or something?


In addition to what FragKrag said, might want to beef up the PSU as well when adding a graphics card.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 01 2010 02:22 GMT
#380
On August 01 2010 10:34 johanngrunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2010 08:33 Condor Hero wrote:
would a computer with these specifications be able to run sc2 on ultra?

Processor - Intel Pentium E5400(2.7GHz)
Memory - 4GB DDR2
Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce 7050 Integrated Graphics
Power Supply - 250W

or do i need to upgrade the graphics card or something?


In addition to what FragKrag said, might want to beef up the PSU as well when adding a graphics card.


can you recommend a graphics card?
im not so obsessed with playing on ultra as much as playing at least on high without any lag during big battles
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