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On August 15 2013 03:10 ::Rhapsody wrote:
Ok, so I finally got off my lazy ass and got a job, so here's the plan.
What I want:
Asus 760 ( I heard you can OC it, seems good no?)
i7 3770k ( Friends are telling me to get i5 or to get i7 haswell, I have no idea what haswell means, I heard you can oc it better )
ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ( does it come with sound card?)
XFX 850Watts 80 plus
ThermalTake Chaser a71
So here are my main questions:
How good is 760? Can it max sc2 easily? would I be able to play most games at 60fps?
Does the mobo come with sound?? idk how to explain.
Is the TTChaser a71 good enough for my specs? can I plug ethernet cable in it? does it come with it?
Thanks for the help!
I'm a scurb, sorry for the dumb questions
Edit: My main budget is 900-1100$, I already have a 1980p screen and everything else.
Edit#2: I have a spare HDD 540GB that I'll use for this build
Haswell means the 4th Generation Core processors, eg core i5 4670k or core i7 4770k
The core i7 3770k won't provide any advantages in gaming as most games do not make use of more than 2-4 threads. So you'd be essentially wasting money getting an i7 over an i5.
A case just houses your components so how much you want to spend on it and what you want to get is up to you.
All motherboards come with integrated sound.
Yes, a GTX 760 can easily max Starcraft II. It's rather overkill for the sole purpose of Starcraft II. By most games, I assume you're talking about other games besides Starcraft II like Battlefield, Crysis, etc. What FPS you get depends on your resolution and settings. But if you're plan on playing at 1080p on max settings than no a GTX 760 will not be able to maintain 60 FPS in most games.
Most 3rd Generation Core processors (eg. core i5 3570k, core i7 3770k) are sold out in Canada or priced the same as the 4th Gen so its rather stupid to buy one. Asrocks are not a good value. 850w power supply is extreme overkill. You're also missing RAM and an aftermarket heatsink.
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Oh man all my old optical dives are ide, even the ones in the mac, and I can't find my usb adapter.
Now I have to go to a brick and mortar like a chump.
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On August 14 2013 21:06 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 07:41 TjTeHaNsKy wrote:
What is your budget?
up to 3000
What is your resolution?
2 1920x1080
What are you using it for?
Gaming/streaming. want an all around good comp
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years
When do you plan on building it?
within 3 weeks.
Do you plan on overclocking?
yes.
Do you need an Operating System?
yes.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
yes.
Where are you buying your parts from?
newegg/amazon I can give this a shot if you want, how are you weighted for cash vs performance? I mean, on 1 to 10 scale with 1 being "only as much as absolutely neccesary" or 10 being "throw everything lolol" how much do you want to spend
spend it all is fine. hook a brother up!
*edit - also going to grab the third monitor as recommended so 2500 budget for rest.
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I already got lots of help from Cyro introducing me to the world of OCing, however now I'm running into issues. Even at 1.27V my x264HD benchmark keeps bluescreening with a 000124 etc. error message. All tests were done with the R4 design R4, closed, 2 intake 1 exhaust fan all set to max speed including CPU fan.
i7 4770k / Phanteks PH-TC14PE / GA-Z87X-D3H / HT on
VRIN: 1.75V
Vring 1.15V
Vcore: 1.27V
digital io: +0.05
Multiplier 44x
Uncore Multiplier 40x
Cinebench: 85°C max, 9.53 pts
ITB: (Standard, avx off) 90°C max, ~63.5000 GFlops, 195.55s
x264HD: 86°C max
Idle temps are around 28-32°C.
Any ideas what I can do to get it stable without clocking down core speed to 4.3GHz?
edit: Also I just noticed my Core Voltage stays at 1.269V according to CPU-Z, even in idle when the speed throttles. I have all the C-states enabled. o.o ... Worked fine with the F3 bios, not with F7 it seems. Am I missing something for that?
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124 typically refers to not enough voltage.
You need to use offset if you want it to downvolt.
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On August 15 2013 07:22 skyR wrote:
You need to use offset if you want it to downvolt.
That's not true anymore with Haswell apparently, at least with Gigabyte boards. If the power saving features are on it will reduce voltage when it's idle.
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Yeah I know that the 124 is most likely voltage, that's why I'm asking if there are any options I can go for before I need to reduce clock. I got told above 1.27V is scary. :3
e: I just doublechecked, those are the options I swapped from "Auto" to "Enabled":
CPU Enhancment Halt (C1E)
C3 State Support
C6/C7 State support
CPU EIST Function
NEVERMIND apparently it does throttle Voltage correctly. Might have been something in CPU-Z. Back to the question above. :3
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Oh, I completely forgot about that guide, will work from there. Cheers.
![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/a/img163/1883/9ofl.jpg)
I'm not sure which of those settings makes the most sense. To me it sounds as if I want the Multi and Vcore to drop but is there any disadvantage to that?
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On August 15 2013 07:45 r.Evo wrote:
I'm not sure which of those settings makes the most sense. To me it sounds as if I want the Multi and Vcore to drop but is there any disadvantage to that?
I think that table is just there because that guide mentions literally everything the author knows about the topic. It also looks to me like you'd want everything on Auto (or Enabled?).
On August 15 2013 07:33 r.Evo wrote:
Yeah I know that the 124 is most likely voltage, that's why I'm asking if there are any options I can go for before I need to reduce clock. I got told above 1.27V is scary. :3
I think Cyro mentioned he got his vcore a lot lower after tweaking the other settings. There might be some trick to get the 1.27v lower and still be stable. If voltage goes down, the temperatures will drop.
You might want to see what happens if you reduce uncore multiplier to 34, then go and increase uncore later after you've found the highest you are comfortable with for core multiplier. If it's on the default 35 for i7-4770k, it'll follow the core's speed up by itself to 39, that's why that 34.
That voltage isn't yet scary, but your temperatures are scary. The x264 test isn't just a test, I think. That's really what you'll see if you encode a video.
The IBT test is scary because it's with AVX disabled and still so high. If AVX would be on it would be something like 120 gflops measured as performance and the temperature would be through the roof. It won't break anything (probably). It would hit the 100c limit and the CPU would slow down for a moment to cool down, then go back to full speed, etc. That's what happens to poor notebook CPUs all day, but those run at lower voltage.
The increased voltage and high temperatures together might be what's scary. 
I have screenshots of running my i5-3570k CPU at over 100c for tests and everyone told me I'm stupid. That was 1.44v and it still lives. Literally no one thought the tests with that temperature were alright.
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On August 15 2013 03:19 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 03:10 ::Rhapsody wrote:
Ok, so I finally got off my lazy ass and got a job, so here's the plan.
What I want:
Asus 760 ( I heard you can OC it, seems good no?)
i7 3770k ( Friends are telling me to get i5 or to get i7 haswell, I have no idea what haswell means, I heard you can oc it better )
ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ( does it come with sound card?)
XFX 850Watts 80 plus
ThermalTake Chaser a71
So here are my main questions:
How good is 760? Can it max sc2 easily? would I be able to play most games at 60fps?
Does the mobo come with sound?? idk how to explain.
Is the TTChaser a71 good enough for my specs? can I plug ethernet cable in it? does it come with it?
Thanks for the help!
I'm a scurb, sorry for the dumb questions
Edit: My main budget is 900-1100$, I already have a 1980p screen and everything else.
Edit#2: I have a spare HDD 540GB that I'll use for this build Haswell means the 4th Generation Core processors, eg core i5 4670k or core i7 4770k The core i7 3770k won't provide any advantages in gaming as most games do not make use of more than 2-4 threads. So you'd be essentially wasting money getting an i7 over an i5. A case just houses your components so how much you want to spend on it and what you want to get is up to you. All motherboards come with integrated sound. Yes, a GTX 760 can easily max Starcraft II. It's rather overkill for the sole purpose of Starcraft II. By most games, I assume you're talking about other games besides Starcraft II like Battlefield, Crysis, etc. What FPS you get depends on your resolution and settings. But if you're plan on playing at 1080p on max settings than no a GTX 760 will not be able to maintain 60 FPS in most games. Most 3rd Generation Core processors (eg. core i5 3570k, core i7 3770k) are sold out in Canada or priced the same as the 4th Gen so its rather stupid to buy one. Asrocks are not a good value. 850w power supply is extreme overkill. You're also missing RAM and an aftermarket heatsink.
It's an asus 760, doesn't that mean I can OC it and get higher fps on most games? Also, I wanna play games like Bioshock infinite, Metro last light, Cod, CS:GO, Dota, etc.
and I'm not getting an i5 because i7 performs better?
and I can oc it?
and I don't need a shit ton of fans?
or am I wrong?
and for RAM im just getting 1x8 gskill ram @ $50~
Edit: PC part picker http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1rIXY
I have HDD and don't want CD drive, have screens and keyboards, and OS, not sure what I'm missing besides that. I asked a guy at memory express and he says I Shouldn't need cooling with this case for an i7 oc with 760 oc
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I already explained that the i7 doesn't perform better than an i5 and all K suffix processors can be overclocked.
Regardless of whether you overclock a GTX 760 or not, it's not going to provide you a constant 60 FPS in lots of games unless you turn down some settings.
You need an aftermarket heatsink if you want to do any reasonable overclock.
Memory Express doesn't exist in the US and Newegg / Amazon.com / SuperBizz pricing and availability does not reflect Canadian pricing or availability.
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Also, in addition to Skyr's (already good) advice, if you haven't already bought it you should buy 2x4GB instead, as taking advantage of dual channel will make a difference.
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On August 15 2013 08:56 skyR wrote:
I already explained that the i7 doesn't perform better than an i5 and all K suffix processors can be overclocked.
Regardless of whether you overclock a GTX 760 or not, it's not going to provide you a constant 60 FPS in lots of games unless you turn down some settings.
You need an aftermarket heatsink if you want to do any reasonable overclock.
Memory Express doesn't exist in the US and Newegg / Amazon.com / SuperBizz pricing and availability does not reflect Canadian pricing or availability.
I don't understand, I mean, of course I'm going to go easy on filters and alter unnecessary graphic settings, I'm pretty sure that will give me around 55~
Anyways, new question, how does the i7 outperform i5? isn't the i7 the newer gen processor?
-What PSU should I go for? is the mobo good enough for all this?
And that would be all, thanks for your time and answers.
ps: I said that some guy working at memory express told me that I won't need any fans and I just wanted to confirm that.
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i7 and i5 use the same architecture.
Rosewill Capstone 450 will be sufficient and way better than the XFX Core Edition in your list.
No you don't need any additional fans for the case but you do need an aftermarket heatsink.
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On August 15 2013 09:26 skyR wrote:
i7 and i5 use the same architecture.
Rosewill Capstone 450 will be sufficient and way better than the XFX Core Edition in your list.
No you don't need any additional fans for the case but you do need an aftermarket heatsink.
Thanks man, yeah, I checked this site, it was really helpful--> http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4670K.
Thanks for the help, also, about the case again, I can just plug in the internet cable in right? nbd?
it comes with an ethernet plug thing right?
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Yes, all motherboards come with an ethernet port.
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On August 15 2013 09:28 ::Rhapsody wrote:
Thanks for the help, also, about the case again, I can just plug in the internet cable in right? nbd?
it comes with an ethernet plug thing right?
The network stuff is on the motherboard. Here you can see on the left how it works: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6970/Z87M Extreme4-45o.jpg
The case is pretty much just a box. The special things it comes with are USB and headphone audio connector in the front that you have to wire to the motherboard, and some free fans and dust filters and everything you need for screws and whatnot to install the motherboard and HDD and stuff.
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On August 15 2013 09:37 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 09:28 ::Rhapsody wrote:
Thanks for the help, also, about the case again, I can just plug in the internet cable in right? nbd?
it comes with an ethernet plug thing right? The network stuff is on the motherboard. Here you can see on the left how it works: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6970/Z87M Extreme4-45o.jpgThe case is pretty much just a box. The special things it comes with are USB and headphone audio connector in the front that you have to wire to the motherboard, and some free fans and dust filters and everything you need for screws and whatnot to install the motherboard and HDD and stuff.
Thanks, I was really confused with all this
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