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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
MystikMiami
Profile Joined October 2012
United States6 Posts
October 30 2012 03:12 GMT
#25261
Ok, I'm worried about looking around over and over again, can someone link me a wishlist or shopping cart with the stuff I need? I'm sorry for asking so much from you guys, I'm just worried something will happen. If you can make me a wishlist or shopping cart that would be great, or if newegg or tigerdirect has a barebones kit that would fit my needs that would be perfect. Again, sorry for being so picky.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 14:55:28
October 30 2012 14:05 GMT
#25262
No we can't.

I linked you everything on the last page complete with instructions on how to tweak it.

Sending an email is the best we can do but Im confident you can add the items on the last page yourself. That kit of Pareema's arent available now. Replace with a similar set.
twitch.tv/medrea
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 19:46:16
October 30 2012 19:27 GMT
#25263
Hello everyone, I'm looking for parts I can assemble on my own, plug into a monitor and use it for the sole purpose of being able to play SC2 (I don't even need a sound card) with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.

I'll answer the questions that are required of me as well:

What is your budget?

200$ maximum.

What is your resolution?

I'm not sure but I usually play in windowed mode with the screen set to the smallest size.

What are you using it for?

Purely SC2.

When do you plan on building it?

Within 2 weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in Canada. I'll most likely be buying my parts online for very low shipping.

Much Regards!


EDIT:

I also have a Tiger Direct store nearby and thus far these two options have caught my eye:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7361450&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3988386&CatId=2628
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:06:11
October 30 2012 20:05 GMT
#25264
On October 31 2012 04:27 TeaTeaTea wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm looking for parts I can assemble on my own, plug into a monitor and use it for the sole purpose of being able to play SC2 (I don't even need a sound card) with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.

I'll answer the questions that are required of me as well:

What is your budget?

200$ maximum.



This isn't even possible. You're asking for someone to put together a $200 rig with no hit to performance...? I can't tell if you're serious or not.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 30 2012 20:27 GMT
#25265
On October 31 2012 04:27 TeaTeaTea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello everyone, I'm looking for parts I can assemble on my own, plug into a monitor and use it for the sole purpose of being able to play SC2 (I don't even need a sound card) with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.

I'll answer the questions that are required of me as well:

What is your budget?

200$ maximum.

What is your resolution?

I'm not sure but I usually play in windowed mode with the screen set to the smallest size.

What are you using it for?

Purely SC2.

When do you plan on building it?

Within 2 weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in Canada. I'll most likely be buying my parts online for very low shipping.

Much Regards!


EDIT:

I also have a Tiger Direct store nearby and thus far these two options have caught my eye:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7361450&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3988386&CatId=2628


Neither of these builds will run SC2 at all since there is no dedicated GPU at all. And what is there isnt very good either. These are barebones kits. Old ones too. Hence the price.

If you want to play SC2 well the barrier of entry is at least $300 depending on your tastes and what you consider to be

with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.


This has no numerical value to me. Could be $300, could be $700.

But $200 is not going to happen unless I really stretch what you want to mean something different.
twitch.tv/medrea
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
October 30 2012 20:40 GMT
#25266
On October 31 2012 05:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 04:27 TeaTeaTea wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm looking for parts I can assemble on my own, plug into a monitor and use it for the sole purpose of being able to play SC2 (I don't even need a sound card) with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.

I'll answer the questions that are required of me as well:

What is your budget?

200$ maximum.



This isn't even possible. You're asking for someone to put together a $200 rig with no hit to performance...? I can't tell if you're serious or not.


Your reply lacks substance and any value my friend. All I wanted was this thread's respected contributors to put their minds together and figure out a way to fit at least 100 fps (or the ability to smoothly play the late game) into a 200$ box. Simple as that, there is no need whatsoever to be angry or hateful.
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
October 30 2012 20:43 GMT
#25267
On October 31 2012 05:27 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 04:27 TeaTeaTea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hello everyone, I'm looking for parts I can assemble on my own, plug into a monitor and use it for the sole purpose of being able to play SC2 (I don't even need a sound card) with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.

I'll answer the questions that are required of me as well:

What is your budget?

200$ maximum.

What is your resolution?

I'm not sure but I usually play in windowed mode with the screen set to the smallest size.

What are you using it for?

Purely SC2.

When do you plan on building it?

Within 2 weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No.

Do you need an Operating System?

No.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in Canada. I'll most likely be buying my parts online for very low shipping.

Much Regards!


EDIT:

I also have a Tiger Direct store nearby and thus far these two options have caught my eye:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7361450&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3988386&CatId=2628


Neither of these builds will run SC2 at all since there is no dedicated GPU at all. And what is there isnt very good either. These are barebones kits. Old ones too. Hence the price.

If you want to play SC2 well the barrier of entry is at least $300 depending on your tastes and what you consider to be

Show nested quote +
with no lag or graphical interruptions that would stem from the hardware itself.


This has no numerical value to me. Could be $300, could be $700.

But $200 is not going to happen unless I really stretch what you want to mean something different.


I simply want a box that fits these new recommended specifications for SC2:

Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better
2 GB of RAM
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:57:42
October 30 2012 20:53 GMT
#25268
My $200 i5-2500k overclocked (the CPU alone was $200) gets me 40 FPS in lategame 1v1 200v200 confrontations. And drops below 100 way before then.

Blizzard considers 20 FPS as perfectly playable and their minimum specifications gets you like 10 FPS. And they are fine with that. But I dont think you are.

Sorry the barrier of entry is so high. $200 isnt going to work. $300 and we may be able to put something together. It won't be 100FPS but it will more than likely be enjoyable.

Is $200 a hard limit? Maybe we have some parts to work with? Optical drives, hard drive, case maybe?

If you want you MAY be able to find some used computers on craigslist for $200 but I would highly caution against that.
twitch.tv/medrea
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:59:01
October 30 2012 20:58 GMT
#25269
It's impossible to get those kinds of parts new for $200 by legal means.

Here's about what you can buy for $200:

Intel Celeron G540 - $49
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63934

Gigabyte H61M-DS2H - $50
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=73210&promoid=1296

Corsair 1 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - $11
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=39572

Hitachi Deskstar 500GB - $50
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57878&promoid=1296

Cooler Master Elite Power "460" - $30
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=44248&promoid=1296

On a low resolution, the integrated graphics can kind of run the game acceptably on lowest settings. That's a last-gen 2.5 GHz dual core, significantly faster than the dual cores of the generation that the 8800 GTX comes from.

For a case, use a cardboard box. And get the game digitally; install OS through a flash drive.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:02:01
October 30 2012 20:59 GMT
#25270
I just found my signature.

Also an 8800GT might not actually be a bad idea here. You can find them easily for like $20 on ebay.
twitch.tv/medrea
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:10:07
October 30 2012 21:06 GMT
#25271
Hmmm you all have significant points and its a good starting reference,

May I ask what this lacks exactly in regards to being able to run a CPU-dependent game like SC2 at around 100 fps?:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7361450&CatId=31

I laughed out loud at the cardboard box part :D

Is the graphics card above integrated or could I get a better one at a later time when I have the funds?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 30 2012 21:14 GMT
#25272
Athlon II X4 is a quad core, but SC2 can't really make use of more than two out of those cores anyway. Each core, even running at 3.0 GHz, is a bit slower than each core in the Celeron G540 running at 2.5 GHz (as for why, check the underlying structure of the different CPU core designs), so it's somewhat worse for SC2. The integrated graphics there on the 760G chipset is the Radeon HD 3000, also slower than the Intel HD Graphics (Sandy Bridge) in the Celeron. That configuration also is missing a hard drive.

The Celeron config's CPU and integrated GPU are both not nearly fast enough for 100 fps; that will just be worse. On both, you can add a dedicated graphics card later, but the CPU will still be too slow for whenever the action ramps up, unless you're fine with massive frame drops.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:15:24
October 30 2012 21:15 GMT
#25273
Because SC2 is a CPU-dependent game, you need a good CPU to run said CPU-dependent game. $200 is not enough money to both buy a good CPU, and the equipment you need to run it.

As for 100 FPS. We dont have the technology to run the game at 100 FPS all game long, it hasnt been invented yet. 100 FPS for MOST of the game? Yeah we can do that, but generally speaking its about the minimums that people care about.
twitch.tv/medrea
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 30 2012 21:16 GMT
#25274
Oh also.

Clock speed isnt everything. I think maybe you are thinking that clock speed is the only thing a processor does?
twitch.tv/medrea
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:19:08
October 30 2012 21:17 GMT
#25275
They're smarter than me
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
October 30 2012 21:23 GMT
#25276
Thank you Medrea, Alryk and Myrmidon for your efforts, it seems that I might have to save up more money for something decent. Damn patience!

Regards
Tea
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 21:27:35
October 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#25277
You can get double the performance for each additional $100 you save at this point. Up to three times. Think about it like that.

Or better graphics or however you want to think of it. Im sure there are other things besides SC2 you want to play.
twitch.tv/medrea
TeaTeaTea
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada11 Posts
October 30 2012 21:31 GMT
#25278
On October 31 2012 06:26 Medrea wrote:
You can get double the performance for each additional $100 you save at this point. Up to three times. Think about it like that.

Or better graphics or however you want to think of it. Im sure there are other things besides SC2 you want to play.


So 500$ is a good rig?
I'll make that my savings goal.

Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 22:13:48
October 30 2012 22:11 GMT
#25279
On October 31 2012 06:31 TeaTeaTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 06:26 Medrea wrote:
You can get double the performance for each additional $100 you save at this point. Up to three times. Think about it like that.

Or better graphics or however you want to think of it. Im sure there are other things besides SC2 you want to play.


So 500$ is a good rig?
I'll make that my savings goal.


$500 will make quite a good entry level rig, good for new games on med. SC2 can be run pretty much on max at $500. What you could do is get like a $350 pc without a graphics card, capable of playing sc2 on low, and add in a ~$120 when you save the money.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 30 2012 22:29 GMT
#25280
Your not just getting a gaming machine either. PC desktops are still at the peek of productivity and other things as well.
twitch.tv/medrea
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