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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 16 2010 22:30 GMT
#1181
It definitely cannot play at ultra, but I was playing with the same GPU on my MBP at low fairly smoothly.

It looks like either your computer is throttling down due to heat, or your CPU isn't enough. Though that CPU should be more than enough for SC2 :/

Have you tried new drivers? I'm not sure they would help, but it's worth a shot.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 00:03:32
August 16 2010 23:29 GMT
#1182
updating drivers now. How do I find if my computer is operating outside it's normal temperature range? It's averaging 70-75c
meh still problematic. hmmm
Denhez
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada16 Posts
August 17 2010 00:14 GMT
#1183
On August 17 2010 08:29 kNyTTyM wrote:
updating drivers now. How do I find if my computer is operating outside it's normal temperature range? It's averaging 70-75c
meh still problematic. hmmm


Is the temperature at idle or load ??
The max temp for your cpu seems to be at 100 °C so if it is at load it's fine... otherwise it depends on a lot of things as idle temp is laptop dependant.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 17 2010 00:15 GMT
#1184
idle. Running sc2 it gets about 80-85
Denhez
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada16 Posts
August 17 2010 00:17 GMT
#1185
On August 17 2010 09:15 kNyTTyM wrote:
idle. Running sc2 it gets about 80-85


Then I guess everything is ok but laptop and temperature can be a funny thing. I guess I'll let people with better knowledge than me answer this because I don't want to tell you some bs lol.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 17 2010 01:07 GMT
#1186
ahh ok it does seem to be an overheating problem. It hits about 95c and my fps needs to drop accordingly
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 17 2010 03:37 GMT
#1187
Ok scratch that. It was coincidental. It's running steady at 75c but still fps is terrible.
Is it normal to never reach above 30fps in a game? Even at the start of the game I'm holding steady at 30ish
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 17 2010 03:54 GMT
#1188
That's actually really bad. Your 9600M GT should be able to pull more frames than that. Try playing on low and see what happens
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 17 2010 04:29 GMT
#1189
70-75C at idle is hot, even for a laptop. You should probably still check the insides for dust. It might be throttling to stay at 75C, and that 95C reading might not have been a coincidence.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 05:06:18
August 17 2010 05:05 GMT
#1190
Ya the 70-75 idle was just a quick glance the first time I checked. I've been watching it all day and it idles at 45ish and goes up to about 50-55 with minimal processing. The most recent testing shows about 75c while playing sc2. The 95c max was from when I turned on the turbo button (overclocks at 2.4ghz) but still I doubt that should happen regularly.

On August 17 2010 12:54 FragKrag wrote:
That's actually really bad. Your 9600M GT should be able to pull more frames than that. Try playing on low and see what happens


I play on the absolute minimum at all times and pull those numbers.
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 16:52:58
August 17 2010 16:51 GMT
#1191
That's an error in showing fps in SC2. My friend has 8800GT and it also shows 30fps all the time. Dunno what causes this. Have you checked it with fraps ? Or just in-game ctrl+alt+f ?

BTW. Which card deals better with SC2 (fps min/avg) - Radeon 4850 or GF GTS 250 ?
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 17 2010 16:52 GMT
#1192
Musli: Your friend may have VSync turned on. Find the option to turn it off.

The GTS 250 and the HD 4850 are about the same, but SC2 shows that it tends to prefer the Nvidia counterpart. (GTX 460 > HD 5850 and such)
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
August 17 2010 16:54 GMT
#1193
On August 18 2010 01:52 FragKrag wrote:
Musli: Your friend may have VSync turned on. Find the option to turn it off.

The GTS 250 and the HD 4850 are about the same, but SC2 shows that it tends to prefer the Nvidia counterpart. (GTX 460 > HD 5850 and such)

Thanks.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 17 2010 16:57 GMT
#1194
On August 17 2010 14:05 kNyTTyM wrote:
Ya the 70-75 idle was just a quick glance the first time I checked. I've been watching it all day and it idles at 45ish and goes up to about 50-55 with minimal processing. The most recent testing shows about 75c while playing sc2. The 95c max was from when I turned on the turbo button (overclocks at 2.4ghz) but still I doubt that should happen regularly.

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On August 17 2010 12:54 FragKrag wrote:
That's actually really bad. Your 9600M GT should be able to pull more frames than that. Try playing on low and see what happens


I play on the absolute minimum at all times and pull those numbers.


Does the problem persist after the new drivers? 45C Idle on a laptop gpu is totally fine (fine on desktops as well generally).
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
August 17 2010 17:53 GMT
#1195
FragKrag, I'd use some of your advice since you're familiar with SC2 requirements.
I'm building a PC (mobo, CPU, GPU & 4GB ram) for SC2 for 400$. I will play on 17" screen with 1024x768 res (max 1280x1024 but everything is so small on this res ;p). My only wish is that it works on 450W Chieftec PSU (if it's actually possible) so I don't have to buy a new one. Guys on PC forum recommended Phenom II X2 555 BE, AsRock 770 Extreme3, Asus 4850 & 2x2GB Goodram (Polish producer, said to be on par with, for ex., Geil). What do you think ? Is it optimal ?
And a second question: Win 7 64 or 32-bit ?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 17 2010 18:03 GMT
#1196
450W PSU with that should be fine but I would recommend against the Phenom II X2 555BE. I would go for an Athlon II X3 435 or 440 depending on what you have at the store. While it's not a quad core, trip cores do show benefits over the dual core Phenom. If you're looking to unlock though I suppose it isn't a bad decision.

I would recommend against the AsRock 770 'Extreme'. There is nothing extreme about the 770 chipset. It doesn't support CrossFireX or any of the more 'extreme' features that the 790X or FX supports. I would also consider getting a 870 chipset motherboard instead of the 770 because it is newer and has native sata 6GB/s along with USB 3.0. While those features might not make too much sense right now, it's better to buy a motherboard with a more modern chipset because if you plan on upgrading your CPU, more modern chipsets will generally support more CPUs.

As far as the HD 4850 goes, it's a fine GPU, but if you can grab a GTS 250 at the same price I'd go with the GTS 250 because it offers just about the same performance and runs cooler + uses less power.

64bit easily. 32bit is the past!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
August 17 2010 19:51 GMT
#1197
Sorry to bump this guys but I didn't want to create a new thread about it. I am going to build this rig, I don't know jack about building computers so any critiques are accepted. Processors I dont know about really well so let me know if the one I chose is good enough to play SC2 on ultra or high settings. Also if any of these don't mix well together please let me know. The power supply good enough for that video card and such?

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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 17 2010 20:30 GMT
#1198
Get rid of the GTX 465 and get a GTX 460 1GB. That's really the only thing that needs to be changed.

The GTX 465 has much higher temps and power consumption but it actually performs under the GTX 460 1GB in most cases!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 21:28:26
August 17 2010 21:27 GMT
#1199
On August 18 2010 03:03 FragKrag wrote:
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450W PSU with that should be fine but I would recommend against the Phenom II X2 555BE. I would go for an Athlon II X3 435 or 440 depending on what you have at the store. While it's not a quad core, trip cores do show benefits over the dual core Phenom. If you're looking to unlock though I suppose it isn't a bad decision.

I would recommend against the AsRock 770 'Extreme'. There is nothing extreme about the 770 chipset. It doesn't support CrossFireX or any of the more 'extreme' features that the 790X or FX supports. I would also consider getting a 870 chipset motherboard instead of the 770 because it is newer and has native sata 6GB/s along with USB 3.0. While those features might not make too much sense right now, it's better to buy a motherboard with a more modern chipset because if you plan on upgrading your CPU, more modern chipsets will generally support more CPUs.

As far as the HD 4850 goes, it's a fine GPU, but if you can grab a GTS 250 at the same price I'd go with the GTS 250 because it offers just about the same performance and runs cooler + uses less power.

64bit easily. 32bit is the past!

Well, AFAIK Phenom II X2 is a better choice for SC2 since SC2 is 2-core optimized and makes good use of L3 (http://tiny.pl/h7k8g or http://tiny.pl/h7k8t), which Athlons lack and, well, there's still a v.good chance of unlocking at least one more core. As for the mobo, MSI 870A-G54 is my new favorite. And I pick Galaxy GTS 250, cuz it's only 7$ more expensive than the cheapest 4850 (Asus with Glaciator cooling) who is said to have divided opinions. Thanks again.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 23:25:09
August 17 2010 23:24 GMT
#1200
Hm I don't remember seeing SC2 benched on L3 vs No L3 so I can't comment on that, but I really can't recommend buying a dual core atm. Phenom II X2 is by no means a bad choice, I just like the Athlon II X3 more based on the benchmarks I've seen :p (you can try to unlock the Athlon II X3 as well)
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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