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Fujiwara
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2 Posts
March 05 2010 22:11 GMT
#361
1900x1200 @ Ultra runs fine with the occasional drop in framerate, but overall playable.

Intel Pentium Duo 5200 (OC @ 3GHZ)
nVidia Geforce 9800GT (1GB) - Fanless
2gb DDR2
Intel G2 80GB SSD drive

My recommendations would be ~High~ with Textures at Ultra due to having 1GB Texture memory.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 23:01:11
March 05 2010 22:59 GMT
#362
zeeQue, my laptop is very similar.
+ Show Spoiler [edited old post] +
On February 24 2010 13:50 Myrmidon wrote:
Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
Intel Core 2 Duo P8800 @ 2.66 GHz
3 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1066 MHz
ATI Mobility FireGL V5700, 512 MB DDR3 RAM
+ Show Spoiler +
Graphics card is in the workstation line and is the mobile version. The card uses the exact same processing core as the Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (DDR3 version), and DirectX performance as seen by benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm actually using Mobility Radeon HD 3650 drivers on the thing because I don't do any professional rendering/CAD.

For reference, the CPU benchmarks around the E7400 and E7500 level. I'm not sure how much worse the mobility version graphics cards are though, hm.

Running at 1280x800, medium settings. FPS with not much going on is 45, and typical FPS is 35-45. Maxed supply banelings moving/fighting over Zerg creep goes more like 25, with 20 being the lowest.
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
March 05 2010 23:10 GMT
#363
On March 06 2010 07:07 zeeQue wrote:
Like so many others I'm looking into a new laptop for this.
One I've found is
# Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 / 2.2 GHz ( Dual-Core )
# RAM - 4 GB (installed) / 8 GB (max) - DDR3 SDRAM - 1066 MHz
# Hard Drive - 320 GB - Serial ATA-150
# Operating System - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
# Screen - 15.6' TFT 1366 x 768 ( WXGA ) - 24-bit (16.7 million colours) - CineCrystal
# Optical Drive - DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM - integrated
# Graphics - ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570

Good enough? my one concern is the Graphics card, but judging by one site that reviewed it and videos I've watched of people using this laptop, they were running MW2 at med settings pretty well.

Thanks in advance


what's your budget?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 05 2010 23:24 GMT
#364
zeeQue that should run SC2 fine for the most part. Medium/Low shouldn't be a problem at all.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
zeeQue
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom184 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 23:34:59
March 05 2010 23:34 GMT
#365
Pakje not much £500 I would stretch that too maybe £550, I'm off to Uni in September gotta get a decent laptop before then, And looking around It seems I will only get pretty much the same as the one I posted in my price range.

Myrmidon - Cheers I only really skimmed through posts, thanks for the info

Fragkreg - Awesome, I'm not interested in running ultra graphics, not really my interest as long as I can play it on release I'm happy, and of course running CSS (My second game) on high settings perfect :D
HCastorp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States388 Posts
March 06 2010 20:28 GMT
#366
Like some other people in this thread I have been wondering about how the Nvidia 9400M Integrated graphics set would perform, mostly because it has been in a mainstay in apple's laptops and imacs for a couple years.

Anyways I did some searching and found someone saying that it runs the SC2 beta smoothly in medium settings, 1280x800 resolution, on their 2.16 ghz macbook. They don't give a framerate and don't say much about other settings except to say that it "chokes up on Ultra". No surprise there.

So, at least the game is playable on the card, although I was hoping to get higher resolution. Presumably it could go quite a bit higher if settings were low, though.

Would be great if anyone running this card could post in this thread . . .
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
March 07 2010 03:19 GMT
#367
I'm sorry if I'm posting in the wrong thread, but I'm not good with computer graphics. My current configuration certainly can't run SC2 and I'm planning on buying a new one soon. I'm thinking of buying one of these Gateway Desktops:
The Gateway DX 4831-01e http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668613.php
or
The Gateway SX 2840-01 http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668606.php

Both have very similar computer specs with the exception of the graphics cards. They're both the same price, but I think both of them can't run SC2 if I read the chart properly. For the 2840 PC, if I want to get a graphics card that can run SC2, it has to be a half height card and match the 220 Watt PSU. If I want to get a graphics card that can run SC2 on the 4831 PC, it can be a full height card and has to match toe 300 Watt PSU.

Which would be the better PC to buy to play SC2? Also, since it looks like I'm forced to upgrade my graphics card for whichever PC I buy, which budget ($50-$100) graphics card upgrade would be ideal for each PC? I know that the PSU limits the quality of the graphics card that you can get, but I don't really have that much knowledge about graphics card in general so I don't know which card I should get.
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 07 2010 03:39 GMT
#368
The PSU limits you to GPUs that get their power directly from the motherboard (as opposed to the PSU through a 6pin connector). The ATi HD 5670, 5570, 4670, and 4650 are all viable options.

5670 has the best performance at around $100, 5570 has around the performance of the 4670 but is at $85ish while the 4670 is at $70ish, and the 4650 is the lowest performer at around $50-60 (better performing DDR3 models of the 4650 occupy the higher price areas). I would recommend the 5570 or the 4670 based on price, since the 5670 doesn't improve very much over the other two. Notable about the 5570 and the 5670 however is that they support DX11 and ATi Eyefinity (Eyefinity is running extra monitors off of one card).

With Nvidia, I think the only card they have down there is the GT 240, which is actually a good card at its $80 price point. If you don't care about Eyefinity or DX11 (neither of which should matter on a low end card anyways), then you should go with the GT240 instead of the 5670 or 5570.

All of the cards should fit on the larger case, but I'm not sure about the smaller case. I think the 4650 should fit because it is a low profile case.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
March 07 2010 03:41 GMT
#369
Okay, and do all those graphics card go on the PCI-E Slot? I think that's what it's called? And is it going to be difficult for me to install it?
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 07 2010 03:46 GMT
#370
Yes, they will all go into the PCIe slot, and no it won't be difficult. They should snap right in if you are doing it right!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-07 05:52:59
March 07 2010 05:49 GMT
#371
One more question: It says for the Big case, these are the expansion slots available: 1 - PCI-E x16, 1 - PCI-E x4, 2 - PCI-E x1. Does that mean I add 3 graphics cards or is that a dream too good to be true?
Edit: And is Amazon the best place to buy these cards or NewEgg?
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-07 06:01:37
March 07 2010 05:56 GMT
#372
PCIe x1 is useless for graphics, and PCIe x4 is pretty bad as well. The x(X) part is the bandwidth of the slot. x1 only has one PCIe lane, which completely bottlenecks just about every single card on the market. x4 has 4 lanes, which will bottleneck all of the better cards on the market. x16 is the full 16 lane. The number of PCIe lanes determines how much information can be transfered between the CPU and GPU.

However, it isn't the amount of PCIe slots that are going to be your bottleneck, it's going to be your power supply. Ultimately, your PSU limits how many GPUs you can have, because at 300W, it will have trouble running anything higher than an HD 5670 (imo).

I would buy from Newegg.

If you can save up some extra money, go for
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131346&cm_re=5750-_-14-131-346-_-Product

It's a very very interesting product from Powercolor. Sure it is about $20-30 more than every 5750 on the market, but it doesn't require any 6pin connectors from the PSU which means it will run on a much lower PSU. It is probably the best GPU you could possibly get for your system (assuming it fits).
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
March 07 2010 06:09 GMT
#373
Excellent. Thanks for your input. And it does not matter which corporation I buy the Graphics card from right? For example, I looked up Nvidia GT 240 and I found that there was a Zotak GT 240 and an ASUS GT 240. They're all the same right?
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 07 2010 06:18 GMT
#374
For the most part they are the same. Just check how much memory they have. GT 240s can vary between having 512MB or 1GB of GDDR3 and 512MB or 1GB of GDDR5. GDDR5 cards will be faster, but will also cost more.

You won't need the 1GB versions unless you are planning to play at high resolutions because the amount of GDDR doesn't come into play until bandwidth issues arise. You shouldn't be hitting any bandwidth problems anyways, so if there is a cheap 512MB GDDR5 I would go for it.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Prozen
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States338 Posts
March 07 2010 06:19 GMT
#375
Okay, thanks a lot. I really appreciate your advice.
To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-07 17:33:04
March 07 2010 17:29 GMT
#376

My System Specifications:

* Operating system:Windows 2.6.1.7600 ()
* CPU type:Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz
* CPU Speed (GHz):2.688
* System memory (GB):3.991
* Graphics card model:ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
* Graphics card driver:atiumdag.dll
* Desktop resolution:1920x1200
* Hard disk size (GB):465.662
* Hard disk free space (GB):386.265


Frames Time (ms) Min Max Avg
554 -------10000 ----- 51----59---55.4
its a 5750


texture quality is medium, everything else is ultra, and 19x12 resolution

another benchmark on all ultra; 19x12

Frames Time (ms) Min Max Avg
587 -------10000---- 56--- 64--- 58.7
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 03:10:47
March 08 2010 01:50 GMT
#377
Windows 7
i5-750 @ 3.5 ghz
8 gb of ram (don't ask)
Nvidia GEforce 9600 GSO
Desktop resolution: 1920x1200
Everything is on high
2010-03-07 20:31:45 - SC2
Frames: 20979 - Time: 375489ms - Avg: 55.871 - Min: 44 - Max: 79
I'll run it on ultra later

*update*
Ran on ultra, averaged over a full game pvp
2010-03-07 21:55:36 - SC2
Frames: 27813 - Time: 849287ms - Avg: 32.749 - Min: 0 - Max: 54
the 0 was probably when i alt tabbed =p
Iris7
Profile Joined March 2010
Angola39 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 01:55:22
March 08 2010 01:55 GMT
#378
NEED some advice!! I have an asus... 3.2 Ghz processor... 8GB ram... but some shitty graphics card... what graphics card do I need to run sc2 without any problems on ULTRA... cost effectively... do I need to over clock anything???
sc1: 3a.4a.5a.6a.7a. sc2 5a.6a.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-08 02:07:02
March 08 2010 02:06 GMT
#379
read the op man

Quoting

Expensive
+ Show Spoiler +

spend money on dis shit n b set cuz u b swimin dat $
Nvidia 9800GX2
Nvidia GTX 280
Nvidia GTX 275
Nvidia GTX 285
Nvidia GTX 295
Nvidia GTX 470 (When it is released)
Nvidia GTX 480 (When it is released)
ATi HD 4850X2 Maybe
ATi HD 4870X2
ATi HD 4890 Maybe
ATi HD 5830 Maybe
ATi HD 5850
ATi HD 5870
ATi HD 5970

They will run SC2 to the ends of the earth and back.


Semi expensive
+ Show Spoiler +

These cards should be able to run SC2 at Ultra no matter what the resolution. If your card isn’t included it doesn’t mean it won’t handle SC2 at resolution X, it just means based off of the information I have gotten so far, I don’t have rock solid confidence that it will run SC2 at every resolution up to 1900x1200. It is very possible that there are many cards like the GTX 260 1st Gen or the 9800 GTX+ that I didn’t mention which are perfectly capable, but if there is even a shred of doubt in my mind I don’t feel comfortable putting it on this kind of list.

Give me more data and this list will be updated.
Nvidia GTX 260 (Core 192 and Core 216)
ATi HD 3870X2
ATi HD 4870
ATi HD 4890
ATi HD 5770
ATi HD 5830

Conclusion: These cards are all going to be above $160 so be prepared to make a fairly large investment if you want to be able to play SC2 at Ultra at higher resolutions!


Mid range
+ Show Spoiler +

These cards should be able to run SC2 on High/Ultra on most resolutions, and while they may get choppy at the highest possible resolution, they are solid performers. Again, I’m being fairly conservative with what I put on this list because there isn’t enough data yet.
I would expect all High settings at any resolution lower than 1680x1050. Probably some Ultra as well.
Nvidia 8800 GTX/GTS/GS/Ultra
Nvidia 9800 series
Nvidia GTS 250
ATi HD 3870
ATi HD 4770
ATi HD 4830
ATi HD 4850
ATi HD 5750

Conclusion: This is getting closer to the budget line. Some of the cards like the 9800 series, GTS 250, HD 4850, and HD 5750 don’t quite look like they belong here and could easily be higher up in the hierarchy. Give me more data!


what's your processor? I assume it's not 3,2 ghz single core processor...
Iris7
Profile Joined March 2010
Angola39 Posts
March 08 2010 03:24 GMT
#380
nah it's a quad.. I guess I was just hoping I wouldn't have to spend 700 dollars on a card
sc1: 3a.4a.5a.6a.7a. sc2 5a.6a.
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