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SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
May 20 2008 22:23 GMT
#81
I think the current fastest should be normal or fast on SC2 (as well as be the standard speed for games) This way you can speed it up if you want for fun or still make it slower still too.
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-20 22:31:25
May 20 2008 22:30 GMT
#82
Faster than fastest? Does not compute. If your speed up a game, it always reaches a point where you can't keep up at all, and it looks like a fast-forward replay. StarCraft is close to this threshold, with fastest being twice the pace of "normal." If the effective disadvantage of idle time for i.e. an SCV is twice of what it is now, the game would become unbalanced, frustrating and uncontrollable. It would come to a point where you didn't have time for anything but building pylons to keep up with production, and the balance between micro and macro would vanish.

Don't see the point of a faster game, unless all citizens of all countries of all the world were required to pop amphetamines on an hourly basis.
generic88
Profile Joined December 2008
United States118 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-21 17:39:36
September 21 2009 07:12 GMT
#83
I was just about to make a thread on this very subject but I decided to use the search feature instead. As such I will post here rather than creating another thread.

Many players currently feel that SC2 will be too easy, possible to master, because the improved UI decreases the "needed" APM making for a reachable skill ceiling. To counteract this many are suggesting different "macro mechanics" in order to try to bring more "needed" clicks into the game. However Broodwar was not impossible to master because of the number of tasks a player needed to accomplish. It was impossible because players did not have enough time to do all of these tasks perfectly (if you doubt me go play a BW game on normal and watch your macro become godly).

All of the recent posts concerning macro and micro. It all comes down to the fact that the UI improvements decrease the number of actions a player must do in a certain period of time. Almost all of the suggested 'macro mechanics' have seemed artificial, this is because they are. The solution then is obvious, decrease the amount of time players have to accomplish necessary tasks.

I'm not necessarily saying "multiply game speed by 1000!"; I'm talking about increasing the game speed to the point where the game's tension becomes equivalent to that of Broodwar's. Instead of increasing the number of tasks, decrease the allotted time to complete those tasks. Done sufficiently the skill ceiling can be made equal to that of Broodwar's.

If the game's speed must be increased to such a point that it will not work as a spectator sport to do this, then that is really the only important problem to address. If this is the case than the game's speed should still be increased to the equilibrium point before this happens. That said, I very seriously doubt it would be increased to that extent, as a generation growing up with video games we are accustomed to them (fast, loud, bright, we can follow it still).
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-21 08:13:08
September 21 2009 08:12 GMT
#84
I want to agree with this, but just as you say that macro mechanics seem artificial, so will "unrealistic" high game speed.

I think what really needs to be done is to make sure a lot of herassment/skirmishes/splitting armies up is possible and especially viable for all races. This will increase the amount of multitasking and in turn give rise to a high skill ceiling.

Of course everything will be easy if the game speed is too slow, but I think raising it more than it was in BW on fastest will seem very strange and aritficial (imagine rines sprintin like movement, would also look strange).
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pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
September 21 2009 08:57 GMT
#85
i just thought of it, and maybe its dumb cuz its 2 in the morning and im really tired. But i just thought that it would be cool be able to adjust speed of unit movement and attack but not of building things or units being made. This wouldn't affect workers. The reason would be to train in your micro, but still be able to experience the proper timings.
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 21 2009 09:18 GMT
#86
I'd like to have it as an option maybe in the map editor or something, purely for training/fuxing around purposes. SC2 would suffer as a spectator sport if it was used competitively.
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
September 21 2009 11:26 GMT
#87
I think it's a Blizzard plot to make Jaedong invincible.
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
September 21 2009 11:53 GMT
#88
I'd personally prefer just ONE game speed, which is about fastest from BW. Because, if a sc2 "faster" setting excisted, I believe people will play that rather than normal to make the game as hard as possible.
...Imho, they should keep it simple to avoid confusion.
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Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
September 21 2009 15:28 GMT
#89
According to GameMecca, SC2 is already faster then the original. Considering how observers can already have trouble following the original SC, I think increasing the speed any more would become impossible to follow.

Besides, speed is not really a substitute. If there are any problems with the macro mechanics, then it is the macro mechanics themselves that need to be fixed (although, to be honest, I think the only reason why people think they are "artificial" is beacuse they are not used to them).
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ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-21 15:57:49
September 21 2009 15:57 GMT
#90
I don't think its good for training, because it messes up your timing sense, tho it can be pretty fun to play for fun for players with high apm.
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TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
September 22 2009 00:31 GMT
#91
I'm going to agree with Generic88, It needs to be at least as fast as BW, or even a slight bit faster. I think they should however, make a faster speed than that, just for a fun game with a friend, but it cant be used in an actual ladder game maybe?
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
September 22 2009 03:59 GMT
#92
I like the current system/speed, I don't think they should make it much faster. Also, the speed that people play should be "fastest" imo, because I really don't want to have to deal with different people wanting to play at different speeds.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
September 22 2009 04:07 GMT
#93
FMP but with gold minerals?

Lol jk, a faster speed would require a lot more APM and higher skill, but there will still be the "less things to do" problem that plagues SC2.
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OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-22 04:22:43
September 22 2009 04:19 GMT
#94
"Beta" version of faster than fastest lol:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80446


It probably wouldn't work out very good, considering how the spoiler works out
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
September 22 2009 12:56 GMT
#95
On May 03 2008 12:06 gwho wrote:
Could this even be a possible "solution" to the MBS problem that collapses the skill ceiling to the point of being on par with a D player?


No. It wont anyway.
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
September 22 2009 14:14 GMT
#96
it will never happen
people will choose one speed and everyone will play that speed , just like the original
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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
September 22 2009 15:04 GMT
#97
i think having the sc1 fastest=sc2 normal makes a lot of sense. the fastest speed setting is the most frequently used setting and should be "normal".
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
September 25 2009 23:34 GMT
#98
If they implement this maybe tournaments will be played on a lower speed. That could be a fun change.
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
September 26 2009 00:02 GMT
#99
On September 26 2009 08:34 StarBrift wrote:
If they implement this maybe tournaments will be played on a lower speed. That could be a fun change.
I remember back when SC ladder was played on fast. Most annoying thing ever
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