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On December 29 2024 06:29 geokilla wrote:
Why can't the community accept that from a professional gaming level, SC2 is dead? The proof is there if we look at other professional esports shrinking as well. IEM Katowice is from February 7 to 9, which is just over a month away. It is historically one of the largest tournaments in the esports world. There's no way ESL or EWC is going to announce a SC2 tournament there with just over a month left. The amount of scrambling to get it set up and for teams to sign players would make it logistically rushed and probably impossible.
I think going forward, we'll only get the smaller cups and community events hosted by guys like Rotti, Wardi, the likes. Don't hope for a huge offline event played in front of a large audience again. The money going into esports is shrinking and with the recent controversy around Twitch streamers and sponsors pulling out, I imagine the situation is more critical than we are led to believe.
As long as EWC isn't fully logged in I will believe we'll get another banger.
When in fact all EWC games are known and there is no SC2 then I can accept that it truly is over on a larger scale
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On December 29 2024 06:40 ZombieGrub wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2024 06:29 geokilla wrote:
Why can't the community accept that from a professional gaming level, SC2 is dead? The proof is there if we look at other professional esports shrinking as well. IEM Katowice is from February 7 to 9, which is just over a month away. It is historically one of the largest tournaments in the esports world. There's no way ESL or EWC is going to announce a SC2 tournament there with just over a month left. The amount of scrambling to get it set up and for teams to sign players would make it logistically rushed and probably impossible.
I think going forward, we'll only get the smaller cups and community events hosted by guys like Rotti, Wardi, the likes. Don't hope for a huge offline event played in front of a large audience again. The money going into esports is shrinking and with the recent controversy around Twitch streamers and sponsors pulling out, I imagine the situation is more critical than we are led to believe. Because everyone is just guessing, including you. There are no announcements. There may be one that says "everything is great SC2 is back bb praise Aiur" or "everything is super not great, here's one LAN" or, as you predict, "everything really sucks and we're sorry but no more SC2 from ESL or EWC". No one knows, and no one is going to "accept" something that isn't proven one way or another. IEM Kato is certainly not happening considering the timeline, that is definitely true. Anything else? No one has any idea. So you can guess as much as anyone else, but leading your post with "Why can't the community accept that from a professional gaming level, SC2 is dead?" when there's zero announcements is a bit silly, no? Of course people won't accept something like that without confirmation.
It sucks to be in this position for everyone involved, even the casual fan sometimes. A lot lot of guesses. :S
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On December 29 2024 08:10 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2024 06:29 geokilla wrote:
Why can't the community accept that from a professional gaming level, SC2 is dead? The proof is there if we look at other professional esports shrinking as well. IEM Katowice is from February 7 to 9, which is just over a month away. It is historically one of the largest tournaments in the esports world. There's no way ESL or EWC is going to announce a SC2 tournament there with just over a month left. The amount of scrambling to get it set up and for teams to sign players would make it logistically rushed and probably impossible.
I think going forward, we'll only get the smaller cups and community events hosted by guys like Rotti, Wardi, the likes. Don't hope for a huge offline event played in front of a large audience again. The money going into esports is shrinking and with the recent controversy around Twitch streamers and sponsors pulling out, I imagine the situation is more critical than we are led to believe. As long as EWC isn't fully logged in I will believe we'll get another banger. When in fact all EWC games are known and there is no SC2 then I can accept that it truly is over on a larger scale
I mean waiting a few days -> week for job offer is already suck enough. Imagine a whole god damn sector of the Esport industry is left in the limbo waiting for offers. Sorry for ya'll are directly involved in the frontline, I apologize for anything I said over the line. Quite honestly ....... Microsoft/Blizzard should be more direct with things. It sucks they won't let go of the rights to organize stuff easily ;(
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Microsoft/Blizzard does have to cognizant of their entire portfolio of games. You can't be allowing stuff for one and not doing the same for another, especially as there's not that much upside for them financially.
I'm curious on their resource allocation for SC2, probably just a skeleton crew, especially as its not making them $ anymore anyways. I feel like many of the Blizzard games are living in their own legacy - SC, Diablo, WC, etc.
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On December 31 2024 15:30 johnnyh123 wrote:
Microsoft/Blizzard does have to cognizant of their entire portfolio of games. You can't be allowing stuff for one and not doing the same for another, especially as there's not that much upside for them financially.
I'm curious on their resource allocation for SC2, probably just a skeleton crew, especially as its not making them $ anymore anyways. I feel like many of the Blizzard games are living in their own legacy - SC, Diablo, WC, etc.
What are you wondering about? Blizzard announced years ago that SC2 is in Legacymode (or something like that), basically meaning Blizzard only guarantees that the servers keep running and will fix any ground-breaking bugs, but beyond that they don't have anyone actively working on the game.
Other games in Legacymode are (I think) Diablo 3 (doesn't get new seasons), Starcraft: Remastered and Heroes of the Storm (no new champions, but gets patched from time to time). Pretty sure every other Blizzard Game in the Launcher gets atleast some sort of support as of now, of course with huge differences in teamsizes (WoW and Diablo 4 having assumely the biggest teams, WC3:R or Diablo 2 having by far the smallest).
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esportsworldcup changed the dates of the reveals again.
EDIT: but one game of the soon to be announced games was added.
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come february i think we can officially say there will be a 2025 circuit. they would have said something by then otherwise. There will also be a GSL they wouldnt scam their patreon supporters by leaving it open.
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On January 28 2025 19:34 Ludwigvan wrote:
esportsworldcup changed the dates of the reveals again.
EDIT: but one game of the soon to be announced games was added.
This is next level gas lighting
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At this point just tell us it's over and if something comes up unexpectedly - great news. This current state of affairs is just incredibly rude towards all those involved in professional SC2 at any scale. What an outrage - to be told that "news are coming soon" in August and then f&cking off for over half a year. I really expected better...
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On January 29 2025 18:25 SharkStarcraft wrote:
At this point just tell us it's over and if something comes up unexpectedly - great news. This current state of affairs is just incredibly rude towards all those involved in professional SC2 at any scale. What an outrage - to be told that "news are coming soon" in August and then f&cking off for over half a year. I really expected better...
if there wasnt anything coming they would have said it. they are working on deals and likely waiting for blizz approval (who knows how long that takes). the most likely scenario is they want to do something and have some sort of circuit.
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They changed the announcement dates so often...
Could as well take another month or two
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On January 28 2025 19:34 Ludwigvan wrote:
esportsworldcup changed the dates of the reveals again.
EDIT: but one game of the soon to be announced games was added.
my guess is that the last game they just added probably Marvel Rivals
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On January 31 2025 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
They changed the announcement dates so often...
Could as well take another month or two
Can't wait for the colossal clusterfuck of qualifiers they will have at their hands.
This event is dated since a year ago and they have the infinite money glitch, with all the expertise of ESL at their hands, how are the Saudis still so bad at this?
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On January 28 2025 23:55 CicadaSC wrote:
come february i think we can officially say there will be a 2025 circuit. they would have said something by then otherwise. There will also be a GSL they wouldnt scam their patreon supporters by leaving it open.
I want to believe this but I also partially wonder if Afreeca laid off everyone involved in SC2 and there is simply no one managing the patreon/it's been forgotten. I decided to cancel my sub finally out of fear of this scenario.
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On February 01 2025 06:14 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2025 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
They changed the announcement dates so often...
Could as well take another month or two Can't wait for the colossal clusterfuck of qualifiers they will have at their hands. This event is dated since a year ago and they have the infinite money glitch, with all the expertise of ESL at their hands, how are the Saudis still so bad at this?
Because they don’t really give a fuck, or put the effort in to actually connect with various communities?
Would be my best guess.
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On an unrelated note, with how MS just cancel the DLC for AoE3 sending a ripple through the other Age of community, I dont think they are in any position or has any desire to talk about SC2 scene.
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On February 03 2025 02:39 tigera6 wrote:
On an unrelated note, with how MS just cancel the DLC for AoE3 sending a ripple through the other Age of community, I dont think they are in any position or has any desire to talk about SC2 scene.
While that is true, "ripples" might be a bit of a stretch. AoE3 is, after all, the weakest of the four still supported games, so cutting it lose was honestly expected years ago. Especially considering that all games in the AoE-Franchise are under the same roof
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On February 03 2025 02:39 tigera6 wrote:
On an unrelated note, with how MS just cancel the DLC for AoE3 sending a ripple through the other Age of community, I dont think they are in any position or has any desire to talk about SC2 scene.
ehhh, these are rts developers, they have like a specific team for that right? perhaps they are being relocated to a secret SC3? :D MS/ACTVI sees it as a better use of their time/money? /shrug
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EWC even had negative timers for the next game over the weekend xD
By the way, are there already fixed dates for EWC 25 ? Because even if they keep SC2 there will hardly be enough time for a true circuit if the "finals" is in Summer again.
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