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SC2 at Esports World Cup to have $1m prize pool - Page 5

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Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa279 Posts
June 13 2024 19:00 GMT
#81
Don't like the split, but I guess it is "hype".
The time that we kill keeps us alive
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25018 Posts
June 13 2024 19:41 GMT
#82
Top heavy IMO but ah well, I don’t think this tournament has a great record in being the optimal fit for the scene or competitive integrity so wasn’t expecting much
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1134 Posts
June 13 2024 20:10 GMT
#83
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
June 13 2024 20:44 GMT
#84
Quick breakdown of the payouts distribution compared to Kato

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rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
279 Posts
June 13 2024 20:57 GMT
#85
This may be contrary to the organizer's terms, but it would be interesting to see if the players could come together and agree to a more equitable distribution of prize money, at least between places 1 through 12 or 1 through 8 or something. From a pure EV perspective, it's not really in the interest of someone like Serral or Maru to agree to this, but once you realize that any individual player's chances of winning (including Serral's) are quite low, it's not so different than purchasing insurance on your home, car, etc.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1134 Posts
June 13 2024 21:03 GMT
#86
the prizepool is extremly top-heavy, but its not like the rest is playing for peanuts. 15K just to show up is already pretty good money, especially for the koreans. So I don't think a "better" prizepool-split between the players would really be necessary
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-13 21:45:36
June 13 2024 21:42 GMT
#87
I don't know why they have such top-heavy prize pools. I'd so much rather they distribute it more evenly, since the scene depends on there being more than 3 good players.

This might be the highest prize pool in SC2, but I still find it hard to care much about.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6880 Posts
June 14 2024 09:17 GMT
#88
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3341 Posts
June 14 2024 10:35 GMT
#89
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?

Top 8 in each event collect points to their teams, which team has the most collected points AND win at least 1 event will be crowned the champion.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10325 Posts
June 14 2024 11:25 GMT
#90
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary385 Posts
June 14 2024 11:30 GMT
#91
this is before taxes, right?
so in ~eu you can * ~0.5 the prize money.
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1134 Posts
June 14 2024 15:34 GMT
#92
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

On June 14 2024 20:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)


You can look up the bracket here for SC2.
Basically, from "Phase 1" three players advance to the Final 4 and then there is another Single Elimination Bracket for the remaining players. The finals of that bracket then basically determine the last slot for the Final 4 and the loser ofc will be 5th place. That's why the 5th place is singled out in prizemoney
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10325 Posts
June 14 2024 19:41 GMT
#93
On June 15 2024 00:34 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 20:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
$15k just to show up is pretty nice at the least, though yes I don't like how top heavy the prize pool is. 1st place making 2x that of 2nd place is already totally fine.

The other thing I'm confused by though, is why the prizes are split between placements like that. It's not standard at all. For example, why does 3rd and 4th make the same, 6th and 7th make the same, but 5th is different?
For Double Elim, 3rd and 4th make the same unless there's a 3rd place match later. And then 5th and 6th make the same.

I guess I haven't seen how the bracket will actually work.

The jump from 6th-7th to 3rd-4th being almost triple the amount is pretty crazy, and 4th making almost double that of 5th...

But again, i guess anyone making it can be happy enough, that $15k is enough to live off for a year (assuming frugal living costs, which I'm sure most programers have)


You can look up the bracket here for SC2.
Basically, from "Phase 1" three players advance to the Final 4 and then there is another Single Elimination Bracket for the remaining players. The finals of that bracket then basically determine the last slot for the Final 4 and the loser ofc will be 5th place. That's why the 5th place is singled out in prizemoney


Ah gotcha, so there's emphasis on making it to the top 4
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
June 14 2024 20:09 GMT
#94
On April 19 2024 09:07 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Serral is still listed?
"Summer 2024"
Well, I guess he won't be able to attend...


He will. Unless there are some bad military conduct, which is very ha(aaaaaaaaaaa)rd to believe.

He represents Finland... and his unit. It will be a military command.

Expect no easy path to his competitors.

It's about as far as Joona with the mission will ever go...
Part-time Serralogist
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6880 Posts
June 17 2024 08:01 GMT
#95
On June 15 2024 00:34 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2024 18:17 Harris1st wrote:
On June 14 2024 05:10 Balnazza wrote:
Curious how it will work with the points though. Do all players ranked 8th to 11th get the 20 points for 8th place? In that case SC2 could actually bring quite the insane value for the EWC race.


Are there any details on how this EWC clan race thing actually works?


There is an Overview page for EWC on Liquipedia Commons Here. Though I still don't know how the 8-11th place in SC2 will work with that.

prizemoney


Thanks! Haven't seen that
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
June 17 2024 10:04 GMT
#96
Crazy they're setting aside 400k just for serral
Cereal
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6880 Posts
June 18 2024 09:56 GMT
#97
On June 17 2024 19:04 InfCereal wrote:
Crazy they're setting aside 400k just for serral


Should be 500k then so he can get his 2 mil full
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom926 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-04 10:36:39
July 04 2024 10:36 GMT
#98
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5x85zd71eo

BBC article on the controversy surrounding the ESWC being hosted in Saudi Arabia, with some quotes from Team Liquid:

Steve Arhancet told BBC Newsbeat that weighing up whether to take part had been "quite the quandary and challenge for us".

"Team Liquid is rooted in values of inclusivity," he said.

"So how do we continue operating with our values in a region of the world that conflicts so strongly, and with pretty egregious human rights violations?"

Steve said the team eventually decided it was important to turn up and use the contest as a platform to show their support for LGBT people.

As a gay man himself, Steve said it's personally important to him and plenty of other gamers.

Cool to see eSports on the BBC at all, to be honest.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25018 Posts
July 04 2024 11:21 GMT
#99
On July 04 2024 19:36 MJG wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5x85zd71eo

BBC article on the controversy surrounding the ESWC being hosted in Saudi Arabia, with some quotes from Team Liquid:

Show nested quote +
Steve Arhancet told BBC Newsbeat that weighing up whether to take part had been "quite the quandary and challenge for us".

"Team Liquid is rooted in values of inclusivity," he said.

"So how do we continue operating with our values in a region of the world that conflicts so strongly, and with pretty egregious human rights violations?"

Steve said the team eventually decided it was important to turn up and use the contest as a platform to show their support for LGBT people.

As a gay man himself, Steve said it's personally important to him and plenty of other gamers.

Cool to see eSports on the BBC at all, to be honest.

As someone who doesn’t follow eSports outside of SC2 it’s interesting that in the article they mention boycotts. I’ve zero idea how numerous or notable those are based on the article and my prior knowledge mind.

Which is in stark contrast to this scene where I don’t think anyone has even come out publicly to be mildly critical about the situation.

If anything I’d rather they just banned LGBTQ folks, the idea that foreigners can be tolerated for a short period for a bit of reputation laundering while their native populace are subject to sometimes brutal sanction is to me more gross if anything. At least the former is less insulting to folks’ intelligence.

Whose minds are we changing here and why do we even need to? We need to kowtow to Saudi Arabian sensibilities in activities whose audience, participants and general structure overwhelmingly reside elsewhere?

This isn’t some eSports powerhouse or even some potential gigantic emergent market, they’re throwing money at it in a PR exercise. Be OK with that or not, it is what it is.

Football sure as fuck didn’t need Qatar to be popular, or subsequently (quel surprise) Saudi Arabia.
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