EPT#2: Serral - Greatest Players of All Time - Page 9
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Freeedom
United States201 Posts
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Starcloud
138 Posts
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LukaMav
28 Posts
On June 03 2024 09:41 Starcloud wrote: Goes to the military.....still demolishes everybody, including Maru. What a beast. Its still shame though, that Maru cant give any more resistance. GG WP, GOAT ! Goat just keeps winning New patch that nerfed Zerg, especially a direct nerf at Serral infestor play. No problem New maps that heavily favours terran. No problem Stomps Korea’s best. Goes back continue serving his country We are not worthy of Serral | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2467 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Still no. 3 in my opinion, wont change eventhough he keep winning top tier titles since 2022. Arguments has been made why Serral can't be no.1 no matter how much wins he gets. Have any interest in sharing these arguments? | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1967 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:36 InfCereal wrote: Have any interest in sharing these arguments? None exist. | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
Don't need arguments to hold an opinion. | ||
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:36 InfCereal wrote: Have any interest in sharing these arguments? Easy, because his favorite player hasn't win shit after 2022, therefore anything after that doesn't count. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
Last IEM he dropped one map in the entire tournament, going 20-1. Going 34-3 in these last two tournaments is insane. All while handing the #1 "GOAT" an 8-0 cake. I think we're weighing the GSL titles too heavily, it's not Kespa/Teamhouse era anymore. Maru isn't the GOAT because he wins GSL, Maru wins GSL because Serral is too busy golfing and doing military service and doesnt want to play in Korea. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
On June 04 2024 07:48 phodacbiet wrote: Serral #1. His record in these recent tournaments show that he's a class above others. He only dropped two maps this entire tournament and it was to the current world champion, going 14-2. Did not drop a single map versus a GSL player. Last IEM he dropped one map in the entire tournament, going 20-1. Going 34-3 in these last two tournaments is insane. All while handing the #1 "GOAT" an 8-0 cake. I think we're weighing the GSL titles too heavily, it's not Kespa/Teamhouse era anymore. Maru isn't the GOAT because he wins GSL, Maru wins GSL because Serral is too busy golfing and doing military service and doesnt want to play in Korea. And also cus Rogue left for military so he wasn't able to keep stopping Maru from winning GSLs ! It would be awesome to see Rogue return to form in a few months, and put up better fights vs Serral than Maru. I would love the narrative to change to Serral being #1 and Rogue being #2, and for Rogue to deny Maru at least 1 or 2 GSLs again before it dies off for good But yeah it is crazy and also interesting that the only games he lost was to the current world champion, and he lost 0 games to a G8L player across both tournaments. | ||
Harris1st
Germany7421 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Still no. 3 in my opinion, wont change eventhough he keep winning top tier titles since 2022. Arguments has been made why Serral can't be no.1 no matter how much wins he gets. In my opinion Maru isn't even top 20 and Harstem is clearly the best player in the world. Have you even seen the Captain? Glorious! Arguments have been made + Show Spoiler + up | ||
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AlexGano
28 Posts
On June 04 2024 15:51 Harris1st wrote: In my opinion Maru isn't even top 20 and Harstem is clearly the best player in the world. Have you even seen the Captain? Glorious! Arguments have been made + Show Spoiler + up I know this guy you mentioned. He is definitely the best player of this world, above Serral of course. My personal list of top 3 players is #1 Harstem, #2 Captain Kevin and #3 Cowboy | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On June 04 2024 16:21 AlexGano wrote: I know this guy you mentioned. He is definitely the best player of this world, above Serral of course. My personal list of top 3 players is #1 Harstem, #2 Captain Kevin and #3 Cowboy #1 Harstem #2 MoustacheCowboy #3 PirateCowboy #4 ShopifyRebellionSucksBallsWithoutMe | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary492 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Still no. 3 in my opinion, wont change eventhough he keep winning top tier titles since 2022. Arguments has been made why Serral can't be no.1 no matter how much wins he gets. I agree about nr 3. but about Maru  For me 1 Serral 2 Rogue 3 Maru. Yes Maru has more GSL's than Rogue especially since Rogue left into the military. But the level of GSL has dropped significantly and Rogue has a broader list of tournament wins. Korean, International he has won it all and not just once. And while Serral haven't played in GSL, in every international tournament he plays vs top GSL players, and GSL winners or multiple GSL winners even. Most of the time its not even close and he looks like a tier above them. | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
On June 04 2024 16:49 kajtarp wrote: I agree about nr 3. but about Maru For me 1 Serral 2 Rogue 3 Maru. Yes Maru has more GSL's than Rogue especially since Rogue left into the military. But the level of GSL has dropped significantly and Rogue has a broader list of tournament wins. Korean, International he has won it all and not just once. And while Serral haven't played in GSL, in every international tournament he plays vs top GSL players, and GSL winners or multiple GSL winners even. Most of the time its not even close and he looks like a tier above them.This sounds about right. Rogue is no question above Maru Maru can’t win a world title to save his life no matter how easy /road he constantly gets. He still managed to get stomp over and over. Foreigners > Maru at the international stage | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
Before Rogue left for the military, consensus had shifted towards Rogue > Maru (especially because of recency bias, but still). Once he left, of course Maru was free to win GSLs uncontested... it was an easier field without Rogue to stop him. If you put Maru above Rogue just because of GSL win #5-8, you need to really consider it again. Serral wins the biggest international events, including both GSL events he entered. Rogue has also won some of the biggest international events, and also has dominated the GSL scene. Maru has dominated the GSL scene similar to Rogue, but also Proleague (but that's a team competition). Maru racking up additional GSLs after Rogue left has a huge asterisk because the one who had his number was forced to leave. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
It feels arguments go a bit all over the place. Maru outdid Rogue for years and years in Korea, won 2 Starleagues and was a consistent high finisher in other tournaments, and Proleague top dog. Since the ‘Serral era’ he still was doing better than Rogue in Starleagues, who was equivalent with Serral in WCs and not winning as much or consistently as Serral elsewhere To stick Rogue at top you have to take a guy who others outperformed for years, who had another couple match or better him for years in another epoch and make him number 1 Which really doesn’t make much sense to me at all | ||
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darklycid
3562 Posts
On June 05 2024 04:04 WombaT wrote: Rogue also won very little until the ‘weaker’ era It feels arguments go a bit all over the place. Maru outdid Rogue for years and years in Korea, won 2 Starleagues and was a consistent high finisher in other tournaments, and Proleague top dog. Since the ‘Serral era’ he still was doing better than Rogue in Starleagues, who was equivalent with Serral in WCs and not winning as much or consistently as Serral elsewhere To stick Rogue at top you have to take a guy who others outperformed for years, who had another couple match or better him for years in another epoch and make him number 1 Which really doesn’t make much sense to me at all Rogue started winning things in 2017 which was kinda right before the "weaker" era. | ||
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PremoBeats
650 Posts
On June 03 2024 20:20 swarminfestor wrote: Still no. 3 in my opinion, wont change eventhough he keep winning top tier titles since 2022. Arguments has been made why Serral can't be no.1 no matter how much wins he gets. No 3.? Both Maru and Rogue (no idea, who else you could mean) have mostly gathered their titles in the same period as Serral, but they took more time to accumulate Premier Tournament wins and have less amazing statistics versus top Koreans. Even if you leave out all the titles that Serral has from tournaments with non-Koreans (and which he could have used to win Korean tournaments, thus denying Rogue and Maru wins), he still outclasses them both in PT wins and statistics. He has the best numbers, period. There is no denying this... the only talk people can bring up is that lame "he never won GSL"-BS. But do we judge Maru on the same basis? Serral never tried GSL, but Maru tried several World Championships and never succeeded - somehow this fact is irrelevant. On June 03 2024 20:20 branch.AUT wrote: Don't need arguments to hold an opinion. Absolutely. But if you try to convince anyone of your opinion arguments, logic and reason come in handy. | ||
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Sorathez
Australia209 Posts
On June 04 2024 16:48 MJG wrote: #1 Harstem #2 MoustacheCowboy #3 PirateCowboy #4 ShopifyRebellionSucksBallsWithoutMe What a delectable, aged meme. Delicious! | ||
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