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Jealous
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
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Gemini_19
United States1263 Posts
On June 13 2021 00:48 conormcgregor156 wrote: Trap is underdog against Maru and Rogue, and I don't see them in the tournament. *laughs in Trap 16-3 map score record vs Rogue since July 2020 and Trap/Maru's all time dead even map and match score* | ||
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hyuu
163 Posts
On June 13 2021 00:30 FuRong wrote: Without looking at the bracket, if you look at the players that everyone has to 'dodge' to win then I think Trap, Reynor and Dark should be the top three. Trap: Underdog vs Serral and Reynor Reynor: Probably can't beat Clem Dark: Probably can't beat Clem, underdog vs Trap Serral: Probably can't beat Clem, underdog vs Reynor and Dark Clem: Probably can't beat Trap, underdog vs Zest, Cure and maybe Zoun as well Cure: Probably can't beat Serral, underdog vs Trap, Reynor and Dark Zest: Probably can't beat Serral and Reynor, underdog vs Trap and Dark But then if you include the bracket, Clem/Cure and Dark/Reynor most likely meet in the second round if nothing weird happens, and the losers of those matches will have to fight a long way through the lower bracket. In comparison, Serral and Trap appear to have a much easier path laid out to the semifinals, so perhaps it does make sense to put them as the top two overall. I would not consider Clem in a 'probably can't beat Trap' state, considering he won the last time they met. Maybe underdog but a close one | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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tommey.liang
United States363 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
 + Show Spoiler [finals results] + right  Even though Power Rank isn't supposed to be a prediction of the final standings I'll just pretend it was | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
He had a winning record against everyone he played in the tourney and tied with Reynor in map wins against each other. | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On June 28 2021 08:01 Morbidius wrote: Serral is having trouble proving he is #3 in Europe right now, certainly not #2 in a field with Koreans. Reynor was right when he said people don't respect him even when he's playing better than Serral(which has been the case for the whole year). Trap has been great as usual. The eye test shows its an amazing streak, i'm sure a number cruncher could back that up. Until Clem consistently beats Korean Protoss's he wont be better overall than Serral, even if he has his number in the TvZ matchup. Reynor/Serral > Clem > Showtime/Lambo/Heromarine imo. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 28 2021 08:34 Husyelt wrote: Until Clem consistently beats Korean Protoss's he wont be better overall than Serral, even if he has his number in the TvZ matchup. Reynor/Serral > Clem > Showtime/Lambo/Heromarine imo. Hot take to say the guy who won 2 non region locked premiers(WC included) this year isn't better than the guy who didn't make season finals coming from Europe. Sure you can respect Serral's history but there isn't any convincing argument for Serral being an S class player right now other than his history. Also i don't even know what to say about the ''korean protoss'' argument, is sweeping Zoun twice better than wins over Zest and Trap? | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On June 28 2021 08:43 Morbidius wrote: Hot take to say the guy who won 2 non region locked premiers(WC included) this year isn't better than the guy who didn't make season finals coming from Europe. Sure you can respect Serral's history but there isn't any convincing argument for Serral being an S class player right now other than his history. Also i don't even know what to say about the ''korean protoss'' argument, is sweeping Zoun twice better than wins over Zest and Trap? I mean losing to Cure and Zest is certainly not a deal-breaker | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On June 28 2021 08:43 Morbidius wrote: Hot take to say the guy who won 2 non region locked premiers(WC included) this year isn't better than the guy who didn't make season finals coming from Europe. Sure you can respect Serral's history but there isn't any convincing argument for Serral being an S class player right now other than his history. Also i don't even know what to say about the ''korean protoss'' argument, is sweeping Zoun twice better than wins over Zest and Trap? No need to get hot and bothered. Going out in a ZvZ is not indicative of any thing. I would take Serral's chances in a premiere tourney to get farther than Clem any day of the week. He's still overall a more solid player at this point. But Clem has the potential of eclipsing both him and Reynor for sure. | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On June 28 2021 09:36 Husyelt wrote: No need to get hot and bothered. Going out in a ZvZ is not indicative of any thing. I would take Serral's chances in a premiere tourney to get farther than Clem any day of the week. He's still overall a more solid player at this point. But Clem has the potential of eclipsing both him and Reynor for sure. Serral didn't go out in a ZvZ in either of the premier tournaments that just ended. | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On June 28 2021 09:58 JJH777 wrote: Serral didn't go out in a ZvZ in either of the premier tournaments that just ended. I was referring to the he didnt even get to the EU finals, he not the top 3 EU claim. Zest beating him 3-1 was surprising for sure. | ||
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dysenterymd
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parksonsc
175 Posts
- If Reynor/Serral faces Clem: they are dead. - If Clem faces S-tier Korean Terran/Protoss: he is dead. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On June 28 2021 12:57 parksonsc wrote: So basically in any upcoming premier tournaments in this year: - If Reynor/Serral faces Clem: they are dead. - If Clem faces S-tier Korean Terran/Protoss: he is dead. and Neeb also, who said Serral isn't top 3? the top 3 of Europe are literally Serral/Clem/Reynor in no particular order | ||
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